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 Post subject: Commercial Manager.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:12 pm 
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What does one do, we have a C.E., Media Manager and Pools are now looking for a Commercial Manager, surely the salary would be better spend on a player ?
https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... l-manager/


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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:26 pm 
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Likewise the recruitment specialist, as Hartley seems to be doing most of this himself.

Also did'nt we just employ an analyst the other week (like to see his report from Saturday)


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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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about time we replaced frankie baggs..post has been vacant for about 40 years.. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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billygoatblue wrote:

Also did'nt we just employ an analyst the other week (like to see his report from Saturday)

Seen his report…….’ Oh dear….Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear………that’s it!…happy to share it with you.

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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Does a club like Pools on a good day 5000 fans need so many non playing staff,
Ticketing Manager, Media Manager, Retail Manager, Head Of Operations Chief Operating Officer and other department heads. ?
All of these positions must eat into our playing budget ?


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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:07 am 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Does a club like Pools on a good day 5000 fans need so many non playing staff,
Ticketing Manager, Media Manager, Retail Manager, Head Of Operations Chief Operating Officer and other department heads. ?
All of these positions must eat into our playing budget ?

I think we should divide these appointments in to two groups, one group will be revenue earning and as long as their income generation exceeds their costs, carry on.
I have my doubts however about some of these inflated jibber jabber positions, for example, your ‘analysts’ type portfolio which would have been the manager/coaches area of responsibility at one time and doubtless more capable of assessing things.
The provision of lots of ‘luvverly’ data is a breeding ground for bulk/ padded nonsense to justify such posts and my experience over the past 20 years is the production of unnecessary ‘data’ :roll: has expanded to justify it’s own over-hyped excistence.

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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:22 am 
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Agree Mr. Snowy about the revenue earning positions. We need yo boost revenues both on match days and non match days. Spurs have ah offer in their stadium pie and a pint before kick 1 pm -2pm for £5,provding a cheaper alternative to the cooperative hospitality and lets be honest most people would then purchase at least anther full priced drink.
Use of the grounds facilities on non match days hiring out the hospitality boxes out for meetings etc.
Having a bookmakers on site common practice at most grounds now.
I am sure there are plenty of ideas that could be introduced to increase revenues.


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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Does a club like Pools on a good day 5000 fans need so many non playing staff,
Ticketing Manager, Media Manager, Retail Manager, Head Of Operations Chief Operating Officer and other department heads. ?
All of these positions must eat into our playing budget ?

about time the league steps in to limit the amount of backroom staff a club can employ. they seem to shove their noses into everything else. hang around the vic too long before a game i,m sure they could make a position up for us . head of loitering possibly.


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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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about time the league steps in to limit the amount of backroom staff a club can employ. they seem to shove their noses into everything else. hang around the vic too long before a game i,m sure they could make a position up for us . head of loitering possibly.

Unnecessary positions sctatchinghead I’m training to be the Referee’s butler.

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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Essex poolie wrote:
Agree Mr. Snowy about the revenue earning positions. We need yo boost revenues both on match days and non match days. Spurs have ah offer in their stadium pie and a pint before kick 1 pm -2pm for £5,provding a cheaper alternative to the cooperative hospitality and lets be honest most people would then purchase at least anther full priced drink.
Use of the grounds facilities on non match days hiring out the hospitality boxes out for meetings etc.
Having a bookmakers on site common practice at most grounds now.
I am sure there are plenty of ideas that could be introduced to increase revenues.

I think if you appoint the right commercial manager with drive, ideas and experience in a way they’re as good as a man on the pitch, if they bring funding into the club….it’s just getting the right person…..a bit like signing the right player. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Snowy wrote:
Essex poolie wrote:
Agree Mr. Snowy about the revenue earning positions. We need yo boost revenues both on match days and non match days. Spurs have ah offer in their stadium pie and a pint before kick 1 pm -2pm for £5,provding a cheaper alternative to the cooperative hospitality and lets be honest most people would then purchase at least anther full priced drink.
Use of the grounds facilities on non match days hiring out the hospitality boxes out for meetings etc.
Having a bookmakers on site common practice at most grounds now.
I am sure there are plenty of ideas that could be introduced to increase revenues.

I think if you appoint the right commercial manager with drive, ideas and experience in a way they’re as good as a man on the pitch, if they bring funding into the club….it’s just getting the right person…..a bit like signing the right player. :wink:


I can’t disagree but I can’t see high flying executives lining up for the job, you are not going to get anyone decent for less than £40k a year not unless it’s a basic salary plus commission based on sales.


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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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All teams have commercial managers that’s how you run a club. We have had many over the years the most successful one I believe was Alan Stevenson in the middle eighties. One of ours Eddie Barnett even left us for a similar position at Chelsea.


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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Johnjo1 wrote:
All teams have commercial managers that’s how you run a club. We have had many over the years the most successful one I believe was Alan Stevenson in the middle eighties. One of ours Eddie Barnett even left us for a similar position at Chelsea.

its a case that the commercial side of clubs is so important for the clubs revenue. its just that the average fan is not interested really in it. its just bums on seats for most of us if you have not worked in that background yourself.


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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Does a club like Pools on a good day 5000 fans need so many non playing staff,
Ticketing Manager, Media Manager, Retail Manager, Head Of Operations Chief Operating Officer and other department heads. ?
All of these positions must eat into our playing budget ?

I think we should divide these appointments in to two groups, one group will be revenue earning and as long as their income generation exceeds their costs, carry on.
I have my doubts however about some of these inflated jibber jabber positions, for example, your ‘analysts’ type portfolio which would have been the manager/coaches area of responsibility at one time and doubtless more capable of assessing things.
The provision of lots of ‘luvverly’ data is a breeding ground for bulk/ padded nonsense to justify such posts and my experience over the past 20 years is the production of unnecessary ‘data’ :roll: has expanded to justify it’s own over-hyped excistence.[/quote

Ok i,ll get to the chase "Jibber Jabber" is copyrighted by myself.
You must ask explicit permission.

Thank you and Good night.
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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Grayhoundend wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Does a club like Pools on a good day 5000 fans need so many non playing staff,
Ticketing Manager, Media Manager, Retail Manager, Head Of Operations Chief Operating Officer and other department heads. ?
All of these positions must eat into our playing budget ?

I think we should divide these appointments in to two groups, one group will be revenue earning and as long as their income generation exceeds their costs, carry on.
I have my doubts however about some of these inflated jibber jabber positions, for example, your ‘analysts’ type portfolio which would have been the manager/coaches area of responsibility at one time and doubtless more capable of assessing things.
The provision of lots of ‘luvverly’ data is a breeding ground for bulk/ padded nonsense to justify such posts and my experience over the past 20 years is the production of unnecessary ‘data’ :roll: has expanded to justify it’s own over-hyped excistence.[/quote

Ok i,ll get to the chase "Jibber Jabber" is copyrighted by myself.
You must ask explicit permission.

Thank you and Good night.
Carry on.

I beg to differ Sir.
I learnt that phrase off the famous Mr T and his chums on the A team and have used it since 2006 on this very board.
I will be calling Mr T as a witness to appear at the highest court in the land and supported by ‘Howling Mad Murdoch’, ‘ Hannibal Smith’ and ‘Face’.
I will see you in Court Sir, you are a cad and a boundaaaaaaaah!

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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Does a club like Pools on a good day 5000 fans need so many non playing staff,
Ticketing Manager, Media Manager, Retail Manager, Head Of Operations Chief Operating Officer and other department heads. ?
All of these positions must eat into our playing budget ?



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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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accrington fan wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Does a club like Pools on a good day 5000 fans need so many non playing staff,
Ticketing Manager, Media Manager, Retail Manager, Head Of Operations Chief Operating Officer and other department heads. ?
All of these positions must eat into our playing budget ?

about time the league steps in to limit the amount of backroom staff a club can employ. they seem to shove their noses into everything else. hang around the vic too long before a game i,m sure they could make a position up for us . head of loitering possibly.



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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Snowy wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Does a club like Pools on a good day 5000 fans need so many non playing staff,
Ticketing Manager, Media Manager, Retail Manager, Head Of Operations Chief Operating Officer and other department heads. ?
All of these positions must eat into our playing budget ?

I think we should divide these appointments in to two groups, one group will be revenue earning and as long as their income generation exceeds their costs, carry on.
I have my doubts however about some of these inflated jibber jabber positions, for example, your ‘analysts’ type portfolio which would have been the manager/coaches area of responsibility at one time and doubtless more capable of assessing things.
The provision of lots of ‘luvverly’ data is a breeding ground for bulk/ padded nonsense to justify such posts and my experience over the past 20 years is the production of unnecessary ‘data’ :roll: has expanded to justify it’s own over-hyped excistence.[/quote

Ok i,ll get to the chase "Jibber Jabber" is copyrighted by myself.
You must ask explicit permission.

Thank you and Good night.
Carry on.

I beg to differ Sir.
I learnt that phrase off the famous Mr T and his chums on the A team and have used it since 2006 on this very board.
I will be calling Mr T as a witness to appear at the highest court in the land and supported by ‘Howling Mad Murdoch’, ‘ Hannibal Smith’ and ‘Face’.
I will see you in Court Sir, you are a cad and a boundaaaaaaaah!


Damn it, foiled again.

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 Post subject: Re: Commercial Manager.
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Hang about, at this point shouldn’t you be chaining some scantily clad young beauty to a railway track as part of a fiendish plot in true Victorian villain mode….just asking like.

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Snowy wrote:
Hang about, at this point shouldn’t you be chaining some scantily clad young beauty to a railway track as part of a fiendish plot in true Victorian villain mode….just asking like.


No point she would die of starvation waiting for a train nowadays, Actually we both would.

Ah! look a leaf on the track, Cancel all services till the wind removes said obstacle..........


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Grayhoundend wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Hang about, at this point shouldn’t you be chaining some scantily clad young beauty to a railway track as part of a fiendish plot in true Victorian villain mode….just asking like.


No point she would die of starvation waiting for a train nowadays, Actually we both would.

Ah! look a leaf on the track, Cancel all services till the wind removes said obstacle..........

I don’t know what the worlds coming to when you can’t chain someone to a rail track for a lack of trains……. Ever considered the dual carriageway, not very Victorian I admit and your top hat will be a dead giveaway …… but we have to adapt I suppose. Tsk. :laugh:

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I don’t know what the worlds coming to when you can’t chain someone to a rail track for a lack of trains……. Ever considered the dual carriageway, not very Victorian I admit and your top hat will be a dead giveaway …… but we have to adapt I suppose. Tsk. :laugh:

poor old tod slaughter will be turning in his grave through this lack of oportunity to be the old victorian melodrama villain. soon maria martin will be safe even in the red barn as farming will be a thing of the past.


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accrington fan wrote:
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I don’t know what the worlds coming to when you can’t chain someone to a rail track for a lack of trains……. Ever considered the dual carriageway, not very Victorian I admit and your top hat will be a dead giveaway …… but we have to adapt I suppose. Tsk. :laugh:

poor old tod slaughter will be turning in his grave through this lack of oportunity to be the old victorian melodrama villain. soon maria martin will be safe even in the red barn as farming will be a thing of the past.


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Because it is a mess.


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