Make us pay ? Why have the poorer European countries been out with their begging bowls to Germany and France again? It's no wonder they are bitter..Most of the remainers seem to be hanging around the comment pages of the big papers 24/7 denying there's a problem in the EU with financing the minnows . Why not get them to work in the fields picking our fruit and veg?

Is it just me or are remainers very coy about who they'd vote for if you asked the question?

A bit more to it than that for leaving and if the EU want to make us pay it shows how infantile their outfit is, more nursery that politics.

possibly he means its cheaper to recruit from morocco than the eu. we can still work in the eu and they can still work overhear. its just there is red tape to go through and a job required. was always thus no matter what remainers want to say.

Prior to Brexit you could travel to any EU country with no Work Permit/Visa required, I worked for several years in EU countries and never required a Work Permit/Visa and there was no documentation required. I have a friend who wanted to buy a business in Tenerife, he gave up because of all the red tape involved.
Just do a bit of research, other than going on holiday what the requirements are to live or work in an EU country now.

From May 2023, UK travellers will need an ETIAS visa waiver to enter EU countries. The authorization will be valid for 3-year periods and allow an unlimited amount of entries.
The ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorisation System) has not been launched yet.

I am still waiting for the answers to what the benefits of leaving the EU are. maybe ask the people caught up in the traffic jams or queues at ports/airports. Prior to Brexit you just showed your Passport now it has to be checked and stamped. Why should the French Border Control employ more staff because of our decisions to leave the EU.

Since the Brexit vote in 2016, the exchange rate of the pound against other leading currencies has fallen significantly. This seems to reflect a generally negative outlook among international investors for the UK’s economic prospects outside the European Union.

I think your missing the point here. You are emphasising basically how it affects YOU, so you will be miffed.
However, none of what you mention above has any effect on me whatsoever, even holidays, and I’d imagine that applies to most of the population.

even when in the eu there has been times of wagon queues at dover. are these present queues happening at other ports where the destination is not france. if they are the media are keeping it quiet. as for the eu itself i doubt many minded it when it was just a trading organisation and that was it. the problem started when it made laws that affected everyones lives with little or nothing we could do about it. even the benefits of free movement seemed a bigger help to the newer members than it did for us, just increasing our population even more. if by staying in we could have had a strong voice to reform it then fine, but somehow i think we would be a voice in the wilderness as i always got the feeling we were the odd men out anyway. do not know how the eu is viewed in other members countries by the man in the street as over here it was always just a case of the devil you knew being better than the unknown gamble of being by ourselves without a real love of the institution.

Shooting one in the foot i think. The problem is the people who voted Brexit dont want to lose face so they keep up the mantra of "taking back our borders" and flag waving whilst the rest of the world laughs at us.

Exactly, the Tory politicians will not say Brexit wasn’t a good deal, it won them the election.
What’s great about Great Britain now, we are a small island stuck in the North Sea/Atlantic we don’t own nowt not even the oil and gas we are surrounded by. We manufacture very little, utility companies are all foreign owned screwing us and making massive profits.
We had a trade agreement with one of the biggest economies in the world now we are trying to negotiate some, yes the world is laughing at us, what happened to the great British Empire ?

Nothing I have mentioned affects me but it will come back to haunt the next generation they will say wtf did our parents do by voting brexit.

There might have been queues of wagons but not cars, we are more in the wilderness now than we ever were, it better on the inside than on the outside looking in.

I think we should end the discussion on Brexit albeit maybe I was an instigator, it’s a football forum not a political one, none us ever going to agree what ever facts are put forward. The remainders and the Brexiteer both told lies and there was a lack of information. Cameron’s biggest mistake ever thinking there wouldn’t be a yes vote fuelled by Farage who can’t even get into Parliament.
Now the 2 in the election for PM are saying they are going to curb immigration, we need immigration as well as saying they are going curb the channel crossings with the threat of Rwanda which is never going to stop them of, it hasn’t up until now.

cars are only there because it being the first week of the school holidays. the queues would not have been like that a month ago. whilst you may think its better being in than looking in you must admit the eu isn,t 100 per cent spot on and like many remainers they,d have liked to stay in to change and reform it for the better. go back 25 years i doubt you would have found 10 per cent supporting brexit but in those years the eu has tried its upmost to make it less palatable for many. Its not the land of hope and glory flag wavers of the right that felt they had lost their country but many of those on the left feel the same. just another reason why the red wall fell as they felt no one could fight their cause.

Shall we put the Brexit thing to bed for now?

100% agree Snowy we will never agree, it’s wait and see,

We’ll come back 2122 and discuss it at a pub on Venus, make a note in your diary

Nothing I have mentioned affects me but it will come back to haunt the next generation they will say wtf did our parents do by voting brexit.[/quote]


The young un's of today are smart enough to know that the World has been brought to a stand still by a pandemic and a war the past couple years..What do you know about the future mystic meg jamie ?

But they still can’t change a 3 pin plug.

true.

Tbf Women with hairy arm pits are all the rage on only fans..