There's a touch of the Carol Kirkwood's about Mordaunt too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ens-MNzQOE

If Sunak gets in, the men in grey suits win.

If half of what Jamie says is correct it is quite shameful and a complete disregard for the average person.

The trouble is they all p*ss in the same pot and most of it ends over us.

What a state this Country has become - I fear for my Grand Children.

Built for comfort not for speed............

7.30 tonight on channel 4.
5 tribes go to war.
Well it that or Emmerdale.

The Sunak and Truss mobs are really trying to discredit Penny. Watch her dismantle the opposition in these debates, she really is great at quick thinking and clear responses.

If anybody believes a change would make the slightest differance, They are living in LaLaLand.

I’ve studied this deeply and after much thought realised Sunny boy is a twat.

I should have bet Penny Mourdant at 6/1. I'd never vote Tory and I should hate Mourdant as Minister of Fire we went out on strike under her watch. She hasnt been fast tracked and has worked her way up slowly to her position at moment as Minister for Trade, Tories as I said not for me but she appears to be the best option forthem that I can see

All appeared weak/wooden except Sunak who's experience in a top jobs stood out.
Truss is hardly Maggie.
But the membership will vote for the most right wing and.........white

she needs to be after changing her mind so much and remembering what she once said that she may regret. do not trust any of them but her more.

Whoever makes it to the final two alongside the snake will become PM

Nonsense…. Come off it, Sunak is another Cameron, a syrupy Park Lane car salesman with principles, but if challenged can find new ones.
Sunak is the the man …….if you’re a Labour voter.

robert rinder, of judge rinder fame came out with something the other day that makes rishi,s chances lower than they possibly should. his remarks were that you have to be PM on the television and on social media nowadays as well as in parliament. he is totally correct even if it should not be and this will be sunaks downfall.

I wouldn't believe anything Rinder says as he is just an attention seeking legal sparrow!

But I reckon Rishi boy won't win as long as it isn't Truss (me). Unfortunately as many people are saying BoJo is/was better than any of them.

I like Kemi.

[quote="Critical Thinking"]I wouldn't believe anything Rinder says as he is just an attention seeking legal sparrow!

normally i never do, but occasionally they do come out with a pearl of wisdom even if they found it in a fortune cookie.

As one political commentator said Sunak should have resigned November/December, he stuck by Johnson well aware he knew the majority of things he was saying were lies. He sat next to Johnson in Parliament like a nodding donkey agreeing with everything Johnson said. I have no allegiance to the Conservative who have no idea what life is like at the grass roots level so for me who ever gets in it won’t any difference in general to the general public.

1952.." one political commentator said Sunak should have resigned November/December, he stuck by Johnson well aware he knew the majority of things he was saying were lies"

..not sure i agree with that..big difference imo between making a factual mistake and deliberately telling a iie with the intention to deceive..but dont knock rishi too much..reckon you and him would get on like a house on fire given that both of you have a keen interest in non dom status and tax avoidance like..as an ex pat enoying the sun and living a life of luxury abroad, maybe you could actually give rishi a few tips on how to screw hmrc without getting caught out ?

Non doms eh?

If you own a property in the U.K. which I do you can’t claim non dom status, even at my age I still pay tax and I am retired, if your being serious get the facts right. Life of luxury of course I do I worked hard to be able to do it, do I detect a sense of envy ?

1952.."do I detect a sense of envy ?"

..is it that obvious?

Chill Mr J, having a wind up…….you worked for it, you earned it, you enjoy it.

Cheers Snowy I knew Poolie was winding me up.

The 3rd Tory candidate show due on Sky has been cancelled as Truss and Sunak pull out as its damaging the party.

What they need to do is stop taxing people who are on the State Pension, the majority will have paid into the system all there working life, the U.K. has one of the lowest State Pensions in Europe.
What some people don’t realise that the State Pension is not tax free, a large amount of your allowance goes against your State Pension. What is left is used up in any Private Pension or investments Private Pensions were recommended because you got tax relief on the monthly contributions, no tax deferred as you are taxed on it when you cash it in. In a Private Pension you can take 25% tax free but if you decide to take the full lumper it can be taxed at 40%.
One more whinge, some one who has never worked for what ever reason receives the full State Pension and can claim Pension Credit etc
Very few people can afford to live on thState Pension but if they have over £10000 this will reduce the amount of Pension Credit they can receive.

Yes on all points and its surprising that when people start getting into their 60s and find out the reality they are astounded. But its too late then.

With all these reports of absent PMs, Ministers and MPs and the general sh1t show thats going on why doesnt the Queen and the Civil servants just run the country?

Latest Coral odd for what they mean.

Rishi Sunak
10/11
Liz Truss
5/2
Penny Mordaunt
7/2
Kemi Badenoch
16/1
Tom Tugendhat
100/1

Latest up dated odds with Tom out. Per Coral who normally give poor odds. A friend of mine says Bet365 is best but i would not bet on that.

Rishi Sunak
10/11
Liz Truss
2/1
Penny Mordaunt
11/2
Kemi Badenoch
14/1

a lot depends on the person themselves. if you want to live the saga lifestyle then you may have a problem. there must be many like me who are happy to run a couple of old diesel cars and popping to a match every couple of weeks. i only receive the state pension but up to last season it was topped up by reffing twice a week. we manage fine but my partners private pension does go a long way to help although a lot of that is taken up as we live in private rented property.

i,ll keep out of lifts just in case i,m stuck with the two favourites.

Gambling on the result is the only meaningful involvement anyone who isn't a Tory MP or a Tory party member can have with this whole tedious process.

Mordaunt at 6-1 not looking such a good bet after all...

Boris showed yesterday what a mistake it is to oust him. The comparison between him and the contenders was huge. As for the betting, I wouldn’t take a blind bit of notice of it until we get down to two.

I thought the best bit about Boris yesterday was when he mentioned the Labour Party had put in a vote of no confidence in the Government.

Mr Speaker jumps up and tells Boris that it was you (Conservatives) that had put in the VONC to the amusement of Starmer & Co.

A magic moment from the Speaker.

irrelevant .."Boris showed yesterday what a mistake it is to oust him."

...just couldn't believe all those two faced buffoons behind boris cheering and waving their papers after he yet again made a monkey of sir kier...what a disgrace they all are after selling him down the river over a spiteful witch hunt driven by dom cummins and his pals in the MSM... complete nonsense...charismatic election winners don't come around too often..and if that little weasel rishi or the wooden truss succeed in replacing him afraid its most certainly game over next time around..

so you sack somebody and then allow him to continue in the job till they eventually find another to do it. would only happen in politics. just think if pools sacked a manager but allowed th m to do even more damage waiting for a succesor. surely thats why they have others at the club stepping in or in governments they appoint a deputy when the pm is unavailable.

I believe Johnson would have been an election winner, Sunak because he is black and will remembered for the tax rises might not be the ideal person to be PM come a G.E.

Sometimes people are kept on like this if they are regarded as a safe pair of hands.

Thing with Boris is he’s a rogueish character, but everyone knows it. You shouldn’t be surprised therefore when he does these things…… too many stuffed shirt Tories wanting clear blue water between Boris and them.
If MP’s elect a dog that bites and it bites you, whose the dummy?

Kemi's gone Snowy - who next?

Don't say the Thatcher / Sturgeon look a like please.

I have a distrust of someone who wants to lead the country but seems unable to say what a woman is.

No one, I always saw kemi perform in the chamber and she could look after herself.

Mordaunt is a big fishing net full of contradictions and the contradictions are eating each other.

Truss looks like the eternal school prefect on the road to nowhere.

Sunak shouldn’t even have entered if had any shame left. Fined with Boris, tarred with the same brush what’s he doing there and who are the twat’s voting for him….? The Party got rid of Boris because they were always going to, so why are these same high standard moral bleaters embracing Sunak……. Absolute hypocrites.

Well Sunak has trouble defining a woman, so does Mordaunt ( she created the term ‘birthingpeople ‘ for pregnant women ) and Starmer plus every single Liberal Democrat. Truss actually can and has.

Agree, agree,agree.

Sunak is seen by the membership as a disloyal backstabber. He hasn't a hope.
Liz Truss has something of the Maybot about her. A good administrator but hardly inspiring.
Penny is Maggie-lite. We can only hope she can develop.

Penny will win but she has a steep learning curve ahead of her.

Well Sunak has trouble defining a woman, so does Mordaunt ( she created the term ‘birthingpeople ‘ for pregnant women ) and Starmer plus every single Liberal Democrat. Truss actually can and has.[/quote]
i ts getting bad when someone if favoured just because they know what a woman is. how can anyone be trusted with the complicated stuff like the economy if they do not understand basic biology.

I have this strange premonition Sunak will win. I hope I’m wrong.

have always thought that from the start. as long as it aint that mordaunt bint i,m not bothered, but just cannot see anyone to rally the party and shake it up to be a conservative party as people knew it.

Bookies dont often get it this wrong.
Mordaunt looks finished. But lets see.......

Liz Truss
5/6
Rishi Sunak
6/4
Penny Mordaunt
13/2