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 Post subject: Why Sunak won’t win.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:48 pm 
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The Tory party membership is overwhelmingly middle England, middle class 40+ and mostly 50+. This is the age of Love thy Neighbours and Alf Garnett remember and I don’t believe the rank and file will vote for a disloyal non white in large enough numbers. Apart from his colour it’s becoming clear that his campaign has been months in the making and clearly involved a plan to get rid of Boris - his campaign website was registered last December by the way.

I’m not making a defence or a judgment just telling it as it is. This why I feel Truss will win. The MP’s will whittle it down to Truss and Sunak then the membership will vote for the white girl who was loyal to Boris.


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Rishi Sunak
13/8
Liz Truss
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Penny Mordaunt
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Tom Tugendhat
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Nadhim Zahawi
33/1
Jeremy Hunt
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Suella Braverman
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Kemi Badenoch
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Sajid Javid
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Grant Shapps
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Ben Wallace
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Priti Patel
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Rehman Chishti
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Dominic Raab
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Graham Brady
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Johnny Mercer
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Mark Harper
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How can Ben Wallace be 100/1 when he pulled out of the race two days agol sctatchinghead

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I think if Sunak speaks well enough (which he has thus far) and promises to do a good job, he'll have a good chance.

I once knew a man in his 40s who was middle-class and he had an Indian girlfriend for many years.


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The Tory party membership is overwhelmingly middle England, middle class 40+ and mostly 50+. This is the age of Love thy Neighbours and Alf Garnett remember and I don’t believe the rank and file will vote for a disloyal non white in large enough numbers. Apart from his colour it’s becoming clear that his campaign has been months in the making and clearly involved a plan to get rid of Boris - his campaign website was registered last December by the way.

I’m not making a defence or a judgment just telling it as it is. This why I feel Truss will win. The MP’s will whittle it down to Truss and Sunak then the membership will vote for the white girl who was loyal to Boris.

Then the Orwellian MSM will turn on her. It’s what they do.

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The composition of the rest of the cabinet will be interesting.
Will it be keep the pre resignation cabinet or a clean sweep of new boys and girls.
Either way i can see lots of infighting.

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Strong rumours about Alan Pardew...


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Will we see a black PM, only 3% of the U.K. population are black,, I am not being racist before some one jumps to conclusions.


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How can Ben Wallace be 100/1 when he pulled out of the race two days agol sctatchinghead


Could he not re enter the the polls if the date has not finally closed?

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Brasil Brush wrote:
Strong rumours about Alan Pardew...


Heard something about Big Sam too.

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Will we see a black PM, only 3% of the U.K. population are black,, I am not being racist before some one jumps to conclusions.


Surely ya meant 33% and i aint being racist as well before someone jumps to conclusions.


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brush.."I once knew a man in his 40s who was middle-class and he had an Indian girlfriend for many years"

...and ?..give me a pint of whatever this blokes been drinking today please.. :laugh:


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I’m guessing that’s aimed at me. Yes I had an Indian girlfriend (fiancé) actually.

Proof if it were needed.

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Incidentally, the chances of a white English guy being elected as leader of any party in India is below zero.


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Bluestreak wrote:
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How can Ben Wallace be 100/1 when he pulled out of the race two days agol sctatchinghead


Could he not re enter the the polls if the date has not finally closed?

He said it on air….. if he did I’d have him down as a devious ditherer.

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Will we see a black PM, only 3% of the U.K. population are black,, I am not being racist before some one jumps to conclusions.


Surely ya meant 33% and i aint being racist as well before someone jumps to conclusions.

33%, you are way out.
Mind you the TV adverts might give the impression otherwise.

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As if by magic, right bed wrong bird. By the way Sunak is a distant third in this poll.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Will we see a black PM, only 3% of the U.K. population are black,, I am not being racist before some one jumps to conclusions.


Surely ya meant 33% and i aint being racist as well before someone jumps to conclusions.

33%, you are way out.


1,904,684
671 people live in every square mile, that's 259 people per square kilometre.
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Ethnic groups in the UK.
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
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That cannot be right.

Every town in the NW is almost all Asian - Blackburn, Rochdale etc. Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford, Leeds. There’s more than that in just these places.


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That cannot be right.

Every town in the NW is almost all Asian - Blackburn, Rochdale etc. Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford, Leeds. There’s more than that in just these places.

but they are not by a long way. the tendancy of the majority living in one area of these places gives the impression of there is more there than there is. for all these places there are others that are almost 100 per cent white especially coastal towns. was in norforlk last week and i never saw one non white. think the percentage is about 15 across the country if you use the BAME word.


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Will we see a black PM, only 3% of the U.K. population are black,, I am not being racist before some one jumps to conclusions.

certainly think we will see one of indian decent before very long. they are constantly the best performers in schools, go to university and do proper courses there. if not this time around it will happen in the near future. as long as they are the best person for the job and prove it in office then i could not care less. its the bbc box ticking exercise that winds me up.


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You are spot on Mr. Accy.

The 2021 national census hasn't published its data on ethnicity yet. According to the ONS (Office for National Statistics) this was the estimated state of play a few years ago:

'In 2019, the most common ethnic group in England and Wales was White (84.8%), decreasing by 1.2 percentage points since the 2011 Census; the next biggest change from 2011 was within the Other ethnic group which increased by 0.9 percentage points.

As part of the White ethnic group, an estimated 78.4% of the population in England and Wales identified their ethnic group as White British in 2019, a decrease of just over 2 percentage points since the 2011 Census; Other White increased by nearly 1.5 percentage points to an estimated 5.8%.'

So the number of people in this country from 'Other ethnic groups' (than white) is 15.2%.

Very progressive of the Tory party that over half the candidates to take over from Boris are from 'other ethic groups!' Some big egos there for sure but it's a fair comment on the current Tory talent pool. I agree with Mr. I that none of them has a prayer when the choice goes out to the Tory grass roots - a white woman will win for a third time (which is still a lot more progressive than Labour...)


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Very progressive of the Tory party that over half the candidates to take over from Boris are from 'other ethic groups!' Some big egos there for sure but it's a fair comment on the current Tory talent pool. I agree with Mr. I that none of them has a prayer when the choice goes out to the Tory grass roots - a white woman will win for a third time (which is still a lot more progressive than Labour...)

actually i think the tory grass roots are far more progressive than labours are. all this diversity and green nonsence spouted by their westminster elite and middle class labour voters does not cut much ice to the traditional working class ones.


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Most are tainted in some way except Penny Mordaunt.
It just depends if she appeals to the members who are of a certain age/group/class.

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I was in the kitchen washing up when i heard a voice on the TV.
I thought it was Tony Blair until i turned around and saw Sunak.
Is this why he wont win :shock: :laugh:

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Sunak savaged on Sky interview by Beth Rigby, I nearly spewed with Sunak complimentary comments about Johnson !

Ms Rigby said: "You've just stood here and said Boris Johnson is a remarkable person, you don't want history to demonise him.

"But the fact is, the party just ousted him on the basis of conduct, probity, and causing division.

"And here you are, and I have to put it to you that you have a police fine over Partygate.
And there have been questions too over your very wealthy family avoiding paying millions of pounds in tax due to your wife being a non-dom taxpayer.
I know that has changed very recently. And I have to say you're an utterly corrosive figure in the parliamentary party for a big chunk of it. There are many in the party who do not want you to be Prime Minister."

The question sparked some boos among the audience, but Mr Sunak insisted he was committed to taking on the criticism as he reiterated his suitability to take over in Number 10.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
That cannot be right.

Every town in the NW is almost all Asian - Blackburn, Rochdale etc. Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford, Leeds. There’s more than that in just these places.


I may be wrong but I thought about two thirds of the population of Blackburn count thenselves as white British.

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poolieineastlondon wrote:
Mr Irrelevant wrote:
That cannot be right.

Every town in the NW is almost all Asian - Blackburn, Rochdale etc. Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford, Leeds. There’s more than that in just these places.


I may be wrong but I thought about two thirds of the population of Blackburn count thenselves as white British.

thats the minimum i.d say. if you go to ewood park and park close to the ground, look at their fans you,ll think it is nearly 100 per cent white british. go to another part of the town and you,ll stand out on your own. so much for integration.


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poolieineastlondon wrote:
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That cannot be right.

Every town in the NW is almost all Asian - Blackburn, Rochdale etc. Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford, Leeds. There’s more than that in just these places.


I may be wrong but I thought about two thirds of the population of Blackburn count thenselves as white British.


Leeds is still 82% white even according to Migration Watch, the xenophobe's statistical reference point of choice.


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Our house is 75% white but Ratboy is jet black, although he has a white chest but Black Fell Terriers tend to.

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Is it SNOWY white?


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Yes, now you mention it, just like his razor teeth.

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Sunak had the most votes in round 1 the black lady Kemi has got through 40 votes, Zahawi and Hunt both out.


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it has to be penny..falklands spirit... :flags-wavegreatbritain:

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Once the deal is done between Penny and Liz one of them will be PM with the other guaranteed one of the big jobs - maybe a first female chancellor.

Sunak is already toast along with his ‘curry d’etat’ mate Javid.


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Ever get the feeling a sizeable chunk of the Tory parliamentarians are at odds with the membership…..?
Pre the 2019 election when a reluctant parliament had to be dragged to the ballot box, you got that distinct impression that the electorate where plebs and if they had a place in Tuscany they’d see their point of view.

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Snowy wrote:
Ever get the feeling a sizeable chunk of the Tory parliamentarians are at odds with the membership…..?
Pre the 2019 election when a reluctant parliament had to be dragged to the ballot box, you got that distinct impression that the electorate where plebs and if they had a place in Tuscany they’d see their point of view.

think if the grass roots tory membership had its way johnson would still be PM. same with labour as starmer is really only taken to as he is labour and has a chance to win the next general election. do not think he is an over popular figure at party membership level.


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Most are tainted in some way except Penny Mordaunt.
It just depends if she appeals to the members who are of a certain age/group/class.



I saw a clip of her last night and it made me LOL. She was stood behind a podium thing and it stated "P.M. for P.M" - like something from a TV Sitcom.


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Bluestreak wrote:
Most are tainted in some way except Penny Mordaunt.
It just depends if she appeals to the members who are of a certain age/group/class.



I saw a clip of her last night and it made me LOL. She was stood behind a podium thing and it stated "P.M. for P.M" - like something from a TV Sitcom.


Yes i saw that too but given what has been said i thought she was lightweight.
Lord Frost the Brexit negotiator has grave concerns about her. She sound like our Jill.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/p ... 23010.html

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Ha ha just seen this.
Like two peas in a pod.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/p ... hy-3768129

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Infidel wrote:
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Most are tainted in some way except Penny Mordaunt.
It just depends if she appeals to the members who are of a certain age/group/class.



I saw a clip of her last night and it made me LOL. She was stood behind a podium thing and it stated "P.M. for P.M" - like something from a TV Sitcom.

We’ll she could have put ‘RX for ZM’ but it would have looked a bit confusing, obviously I don’t have such a sophisticated depth of comedic analysis. Ah we’ll.

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Ha ha just seen this.
Like two peas in a pod.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/p ... hy-3768129

Ah for the good old days under Mike Hill, that dynamic …… bbolt

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Snowy wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
Ha ha just seen this.
Like two peas in a pod.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/p ... hy-3768129

Ah for the good old days under Mike Hill, that dynamic …… bbolt


Yes we aint been blessed with good MPs with power.
Of course there was Peter Mandleson

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When Sunak resigned he said it may be his last ministerial appointment.
Maybe he will disappear if he doesnt get the leaders position?

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When Sunak resigned he said it may be his last ministerial appointment.
Maybe he will disappear if he doesnt get the leaders position?

Maybe he’s just put his ‘Green Card’ in the drawer for now.

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When Sunak resigned he said it may be his last ministerial appointment.
Maybe he will disappear if he doesnt get the leaders position?

he will be back. he,d have walked into the job of replacing johnson if it had not been tarred by his wifes tax details. the way things are now with peoples life ambitions of digging up dirt from the past on them or family members will possibly mean he is no where near on his own. i know if i was a MP and actually doing a good job i,d be living in fear of what they dug up on me from years ago. doubt anyone who has lived and done something are totally whiter than white.


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After Gove gave his backing to Mordaunt, Frost has come out and slated her. Guess what Frosts wife works for Truss. Non of the journalists seem to mention this.


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jon...."After Gove gave his backing to Mordaunt, Frost has come out and slated her. Guess what Frosts wife works for Truss. Non of the journalists seem to mention this."

......good spot....the left controlled MSM want truss or sunak..they think they are easy targets with a boat load of weaknesses to be exploited..different with penny... ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Why Sunak won’t win.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:57 am 
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So... it now comes to light that Rishi Sunak's wife was part owner of Lava Mayfair Club Ltd (a private membership gym), which collapsed last year owing almost £44million to creditors, including £374,000 to HMRC!
Another of Mrs Sunak's ventures... Mrs Wordsmith (an education business) went into administration last year owing £16.3million – after receiving a £1.3million loan from the Government's "Future Fund"!
OH IT GETS WORSE... Digme Fitness (which she owns 100% of) received up to £635,000 of furlough money... before it then closed its eight studios in London and Oxford... still owing HMRC £415,000!

So .... Mr Sunak introduces the furlough scheme ... and the woman he's sleeping with benefits by up to £635,000!
Mr Sunak oversees the rules regarding Non-Dom status ... and the woman he's sleeping with benefits by over £20 million!
Mr Sunak is in charge of ensuring that the UK maximises its tax revenue... yet the woman he's sleeping with has been active in, or has owned, companies going bust owing a staggering £789,000 to HMRC!

Mr Sunak says his wife's tax affairs are none of OUR business... he can fuck RIGHT off!!

Arrogance in almost immeasurable amounts!


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