the curse of the poisoned finger.

In a nutshell. Pools have well and truly turned the page for next season. Assuming Byrne and Carver go in the next few days, we'll be left with 7 outfield players from last season - 8 if Cook signs a new deal! That means around a dozen new lads coming in.

Not every player Paul Hartley signs is going to be a success, but we have to hope most will to have any chance of a decent season.

If Neill Byrne joins the exodus of current players, so be it. A lot of the wind and piss in this 'discussion' stems from those who rate him as a solid performer being told he is non-league standard. Tranmere obviously don't think so!

clear outs...happens all the time...thats football...get used to it...twitter polls?.. ffs...

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/f ... rt-5396823

Departure confirmed on the OS

Whos left. 30 days to get a team together.......sorry i am starting to panic.
Reassure me or just send cash.

Another fantasist response. What excuse factory. The only excuse I have is that I'm not rich enough to challenge ownership of the club and, in that, I am in the same boat as you and the other people who constantly jump on the chairman and the club. I therefore give a bit of leeway to those who are trying to put the club on a sound financial footing. We have what we have. Anything more is wishful thinking and the stuff of dreams. The difference between you and me is I live in the real world and you live in wishful fantasy that you feebly attempt to portray as fact. You constantly criticise somebody who dragged the club from oblivion and who is trying to put our best foot forward under the restraint of the limited amount he can afford. He is not a billionaire and has to cut his cloth accordingly. When you and your whingeing pals come up with a better financial package and can take the club further, then the rest of us will give you the backing that you deserve.
Until then I suggest you cut a bit of slack and wait, like the rest of us,
to see where PH and Raj can take us.

as soon as the bonehead duo got the boot...and a manager was appointed who had a reputation for taking no crap...think quite a few knew the writing was on the wall...especially that useless back three...beach party over lads..

As it happens Snowy is a founder member of the Bunker going back to 2006 and before that contributed on the Bunker's predecessors.

derwent .."You constantly criticise somebody who dragged the club from oblivion and who is trying to put our best foot forward under the restraint of the limited amount he can afford. He is not a billionaire and has to cut his cloth accordingly. When you and your whingeing pals come up with a better financial package and can take the club further, then the rest of us will give you the backing that you deserve."

....such eloquence...absolute quality mr D...

question 1. compare and contrast the club pre and post Raj Singhs taking the club on.

"Everyone at the club would like to thank Neill for his service over the last year. After a few conversations with him, he expressed a desire to be closer to home and we wish him all the best. "

Looks like he wanted out.

Aye, we go back a bit, but to be fair, some of these whingers would have been shredded very quickly, in fact, I was quite reasonable then.
If I find out how to down load cartoons from my phone, I’ll be drawing again … and some people on here would be a perfect inspiration

Oh he wanted out alright… now it’ll be forgotten as there’s no whinge mileage in it, much better for some to imagine Raj as the Victorian Mill owner forcing him out into the snow.

Do tories ever realise you can make money by investing money (correctly) instead of just cutting everything to the bone?

I have been supporting Pools since August 1952 and one of the most used snippets of advice, given to the club by it's loyal fans, I've witnessed since then is "we need a clearout"
Finally we have a manager who seems to be on the same wave length as those loyal fans and is doing just that.
On his first day at the club he addressed the players and left them in no doubt what his plans were and what he expected of them.
He has a plan which he expects every one of his players to buy into and anybody who has doubts has no place in his squad.
Mols and Timi were given an opportunity to stay but as soon as it became evident that they no longer wanted to play for the club, they went through the door. Two centre halves have been signed and a potentially ready made replacement for Mols, in Hastie. Plus others and PH has stated there are more to come.
At this moment we are well short of our desired squad strength but nobody knows that more than PH. If he was saying things like we have got what we need and don't intend to strengthen, I would be extremely worried but he's saying the opposite, so I'm reserving judgement.

Next week should be exciting.

bring out your deadwood...carver and cook next for the cart...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcbR1J_4ICg

If by some co incidence you are referring to the Raj regime as cutting everything back and are supposing or guessing he is a Tory then you only have to look at his business portfolio and record to see that he is quite adept at making money successfully. So if he is a Tory then the answer is yes.
Having said that no one has successfully invested money into Pools and made a profit, including IOR.
There is no doubt that the club is in a better position now compared to the day Raj took it on.
I'm sure you would agree with that.
He has moved the club forward and his stated intention is to take it further.
Speaking for myself, and as a card carrying member of the Labour Party, until someone or something comes along with more financial clout, Tory or otherwise, we have to rely on Raj.
Maybe you should write to Raj in your capacity as a financially sound advisor and tell him where he is going wrong and put him on the right track.
As us Socialists are renowned for our ability to spend other people's money, you never know, he may just listen.
Careful though as some on here will start accusing you of being in Raj's pocket or even on his payroll.

ref needs to step in imo....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPVMHusC6M

and all the weeks that follow right up to our first game. however quicker business is actually done then its better as we do not want to see any last minute panic signings again. Added to that please no half fit lads who have not got a club after the transfer period. They are without clubs for a reason.

WTF has this got to do with anything, please don’t bring your political or religious dogma onto a football meassageboard.

By this logic then we cannot criticise players because we've never been professionals, referees because we have never ref'd professional football, MPs because we've never been one, the Prime Minister, the list goes on and on. We may as well pack in all football discussion everywhere if that's the case. Are we just to hand over our money and question nothing? Forever?

You never been PM?

Na. Looks too difficult for me. All that deciding what's work and what's a party.

Stop being a complete bollock. You know perfectly well no one is suggesting anything like that but your rather devious twisting of the innocuous has become your trademark.
Meanwhile all your ‘info from a reliable source’ you kept peddling, the developments, the dreams that never came true… what happened to them? You sold yourself as the man in the know……..Nothing.

Nah, you can do what you like but don't get shirty when people read your revelations with nothing to back them up and want to establish how much of your contribution is factual and how much is pure speculation or fantasy.
You'd be much better off sticking to the facts and the biggest fact of all is we have to rely on Raj and accept that we are where we are until things change and accept they don't always change for the better.
If you're starving you don't turn down a cheese sandwich because you'd rather have a fillet steak, even though fillet steaks are not affordable.

Yeah, I've realised that quite a lot is too difficult for you but congratulations on that fact dawning upon you as well.
Well done, a start at least.

some tranmere lads don't sound too convinced about home bird byrney like...shame...obviously not impressed by the twitter polling either

"WirralJim
30 June, 2022 12:33
He's pushing thirty and has a long CV. Struggling to see him as a first teamer after one year in the league!"

"DevonExile
30 June, 2022 18:38
Hardly sets the pulse going. Does he really represent an improvement on the previous options"

"WirralJim
30 June, 2022 20:44
Aren't we linked with players at clubs then we sign different players from those clubs? Hove Pool got anyone decent?"

"Uptonrover
30 June, 2022 15:06
A long non league CV at that. Not saying he wont be good but Hartlepool fans arnt that bothered. You woukd have thought at 29 he would have made it to the league before last season"

https://www.thefootballnetwork.net/boar ... 0,17190302

The whining and a wailing we’ve had from some on here, you’d think Tranmere would welcome him with a band and an open top bus tour.
I wonder if his fans on here, even just a tiny bit, doubt their own genius.

snowy.."you’d think Tranmere would welcome him with a band and an open top bus tour."

..yep...not the warmest of welcomes is it?..at least his lass has booked a band to welcome him back home..where she can keep an eye on the soft irish rover..not long for those wedding bells?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww4v2cP-MDo

Funny how when some mundane reason for him leaving comes out, the ‘chest beaters’ suddenly hibernate.

Don't think the moaning of some self-entitled fans can be cited as proof that Byrne is non-league standard personally. Did a job at this level for us last season, could have again. Seems it was his decision to go, and haven't seen anything which suggests Hartley was desperate to get rid. Sad we can't thank the lad for his efforts, wish him well and move on.

snowy.."Funny how when some mundane reason for him leaving comes out, the ‘chest beaters’ suddenly hibernate."

....probably all know that he's now "under orders"...so the wages whinge loses its appeal a bit...after all ..we all have to bend a knee to she who must be obeyed..even the baying mob can relate to that...

https://twitter.com/Official_HUFC/statu ... 92/photo/1

Simple enough reason though in the end, he wanted to get back to future wife…. and in the same position we’d be asking to go to…… mundane things in the end.

Some of us are having a day off pal. It’s Friday. Now the weekend. Will be back on Monday to disagree with you, don’t worry. Have a good one.

You’ll agree with me 100% because I think you should be up for the nect Bond Film.

rate byrne or not at least the club will have got something for him unlike the ones who let their contracts run out and we got jack shit for em. we have had many far worse, some much better and certainly not irreplacable.

Nice bit of business Mr A. He wanted away for domestic reasons and we get some money in the bank. Never keep a player whose mind is somewhere else.

Hartlepool United 46 14 12 20 44 64 −20 54

Defensively Crap, And some think we should have hung onto certain players.
We kept and have the 2 best attacking fullbacks imo.
I think PH saw that before he even took the job.

And the attitude for the final games was also crap, and that was totally down to Spike.

not totally, the players themselves were as much to blame as he was or possibly more. players in a team that through lack of numbers picking itself with little chance of being dropped showed the type of characters we had in the squad. not all of em, but you only need a few to infect the whole lot with their virus.

greyhound.."Defensively Crap, And some think we should have hung onto certain players."

..completely agree...as the old chant goes..soft as shite ..soft as shite....

I think the end of season run in showed us a management team who really couldn’t be bothered, either that or they’d lost the dressing room. That said the team didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory, far from it as they went reluctantly through the motions, boy was I worried for the coming season.
The sacking came as a pleasant surprise, something I thought wouldn’t happen, but going into the coming season with that lazy, couldn’t be arsed attitude was inviting disaster.

The 6 month probation period get out clause certain ly come in handy.

IOR never give long term contracts to managers, it was a roll over one.

I liked how IOR didn’t have a playing budget either. Hodcroft said there was no upper limit (within reason) the manager made the case for signing a player he wanted, they’d discuss it and that was it.

The revisionism on players leaving the club is outstanding. Every player is suddenly awful when they leave and we’ll be better off without them. Some cases this is true but it can’t be true in every case.
Byrne has moved for personal reasons yes but I think many of the ‘negative’ points still stand. He’s left for a 1 year contract, could we as a club have done better to keep him seen as it’s stated that Hartley would’ve liked to? Either way I think as a club this is something we should’ve only sanctioned when we have a replacement already signed. We only have 2 centre backs currently which has to have an impact on training.

pesh..."we should’ve only sanctioned when we have a replacement already signed. We only have 2 centre backs currently which has to have an impact on training."

..oh sorry neil...cant let you go until i get a replacement signed...i have one already lined up but it might be wednesday next week before hes over the line..would you mind hanging around a bit to help out with training ..promise you will be gone before 30 july anyways..thanks hen ya big softie..

[/quote="Krampesh] He’s left for a 1 year contract, could we as a club have done better to keep him seen as it’s stated that Hartley would’ve liked to? .[/quote]

Stated where…?
To be fair, Byrne wanted away for domestic reasons, end of story if you’ve got convince him n her., hard going that.

Poolie1: that’s incredibly common across football. It ensures the selling club aren’t left short.

Snowy: I’m pretty certain it was stated in the video PH did updating people last week. If it’s not stated there then I’m wrong and have misremembered

pesh..."He’s left for a 1 year contract, could we as a club have done better to keep him seen as it’s stated that Hartley would’ve liked to?"

..he left because of his missus wanting him home..but the twitter polls say it was because of wages?..dear oh dear