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It make me think though given the massive labour shortage in the UK how shit these 7 must be to get kicked out :?

Funny how the North East have high unemployment, but no labour shortage here. :roll:
Why is everything based on figures for the leafy suburbs of London…..?

Yes perhaps a restriction keeping them into areas of labour shortage would be good. But why the dispersal policy??

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It’s heartwarming to see you and Charles with a common aim in life, I’ve always thought he’s barmy, his sister got the balls in that family. :laugh:

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Personally I think its a complete waste of money when we have cluster bombs sitting idle that could be used in the channel.


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I often ask myself, how would Putin deal with this situation. :shock:

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I often ask myself, how would Putin deal with this situation. :shock:

the dinghy divers themselves or the biggest winners members of the legal profession. think the latter boils my pee the most.


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european judges telling us what we can and cant do..thought we'd left all that shite behind.. :shock:


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european judges telling us what we can and cant do..thought we'd left all that shite behind.. :shock:

we only left part behind which is the problem and not the human rights one. if you are getting out we should have got right out of everything connected with euro justice and practises. anyway what about my human rights and others feeling the same who have not signed up for mass immigration and the present free for all of undocumented illegals. wonder how far we,d get doing the opposite and sailing across to europe or anywhere else and would the lefty do gooders fight our cause. i would not hold my breath.


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european judges telling us what we can and cant do..thought we'd left all that shite behind.. :shock:


Can't see Boris putting up with that shite for very long.

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european judges telling us what we can and cant do..thought we'd left all that shite behind.. :shock:


Can't see Boris putting up with that shite for very long.

thats the old outspoken one we saw on question time and not todays version. might have to ask carrie first unless he wants to lose his nookie. be a lot of hot air spouted by him and pritti and nothing else.


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Who funds the lawyers….?


Either Legal Aid or some Lawyers prepared to it for free to make a name for themselves.


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The European Court is nothing to do with the EU (in theory) but part of the Council of Europe which was formed after the War to basically deal with the impact afterwards.
However when the EU was paying Turkey to keep migrants within their border, they turned a blind eye, and when France paid Libyan Warlords to keep any migrants in camps, they turned another blind eye.

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It was suggested sending the SAS over to France and sabotaging the boats before they set of, 250 arrived yesterday, that must have been quite a flotilla of boats. Where did they buy them from and how many did the French try to stop, some one in France is making a fortune selling boats and out board motors ! Stop the sale of inflatables and outdoor motors until the buyers prove what they are going to used for.


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Either Legal Aid or some Lawyers prepared to it for free to make a name for themselves.

I was making a subtle point about what their background motivation was, not money.

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It was suggested sending the SAS over to France and sabotaging the boats before they set of, 250 arrived yesterday, that must have been quite a flotilla of boats. Where did they buy them from and how many did the French try to stop, some one in France is making a fortune selling boats and out board motors ! Stop the sale of inflatables and outdoor motors until the buyers prove what they are going to used for.

The boats will be purchased well away from the French coast, probably outside of France along with all the other equipment .. Driven by van and rapidly assembled by a team who’s well experienced the inflatable will be away, helped indirectly by the French Police who shall we say…… don’t appear to give a flying fuck.

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I often ask myself, how would Putin deal with this situation. :shock:

He'd probably imprison them, torture and murder them.

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Either Legal Aid or some Lawyers prepared to it for free to make a name for themselves.

I was making a subtle point about what their background motivation was, not money.


Motivation to climb the ladder in the legal profession.


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It was suggested sending the SAS over to France and sabotaging the boats before they set of, 250 arrived yesterday, that must have been quite a flotilla of boats. Where did they buy them from and how many did the French try to stop, some one in France is making a fortune selling boats and out board motors ! Stop the sale of inflatables and outdoor motors until the buyers prove what they are going to used for.

The boats will be purchased well away from the French coast, probably outside of France along with all the other equipment .. Driven by van and rapidly assembled by a team who’s well experienced the inflatable will be away, helped indirectly by the French Police who shall we say…… don’t appear to give a flying fuck.


TBH why should the French Police give a flying f***, it’s less to worry about the more who cross the channel I think there was 11 boats yesterday, not one was ‘spotted’ by the French Police ?


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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It was suggested sending the SAS over to France and sabotaging the boats before they set of, 250 arrived yesterday, that must have been quite a flotilla of boats. Where did they buy them from and how many did the French try to stop, some one in France is making a fortune selling boats and out board motors ! Stop the sale of inflatables and outdoor motors until the buyers prove what they are going to used for.

The boats will be purchased well away from the French coast, probably outside of France along with all the other equipment .. Driven by van and rapidly assembled by a team who’s well experienced the inflatable will be away, helped indirectly by the French Police who shall we say…… don’t appear to give a flying fuck.


TBH why should the French Police give a flying f***, it’s less to worry about the more who cross the channel I think there was 11 boats yesterday, not one was ‘spotted’ by the French Police ?

Why should the French Police give a fuck ? Probably because they. were paid £50m to do so.

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1952.."TBH why should the French Police give a flying f***"

..exactly...of course france has no interest in stopping the boats....yet we continue to give them money to help them do so..they must be laughing their c/ks off at us....ludicrous ffs

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Perhaps this problem needs to be tackled at source i.e what is going on in these peoples countries that makes them do this?

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Come on Mr B, 80% are economic migrants, just after the cash and a better standard of living. They’re just short circuiting the immigration system.

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1952.."TBH why should the French Police give a flying f***"

..exactly...of course france has no interest in stopping the boats....yet we continue to give them money to help them do so..they must be laughing their c/ks off at us....ludicrous ffs

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... riti-patel

In the Guardian article, the French stated quoting maritime law, that once a boat is on it’s way to England with people on they are powerless to intervene…bollocks….. if it was a boat full of escaping terrorists or criminals, would they wave it away and wish it Bon voyage…..of course not.

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So what is suggested to address this issue.
In detail please and without anything that contravenes the law.

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How's about charging the French government with gross negligence manslaughter for starters.


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If they showed some balls instead of acting like giddy social workers after two sherries, thins could be sorted.
For starters, on a arrival they should be detained in secure accommodation till their status is established, no more 4 star hotels, pocket money and the right to roam the streets.
Most have discarded their ID to avoid immediate removal to country of origin so as unknown aliens they can be locked up for years till they provide information.
Not so welcoming a prospect to potential queue jumpers.

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I still shake my head at the Border Force programmes on TV, they turn up somewhere arrest a load of illegals, charge them, then set them free to report back in a fortnight, oddly enough as they say on the programme, “ the people in question failed to report back” well of course they did you gormless twats….. Doh!
This is the calibre of people in charge of our borders…..?… it feels everything is run by naive confused students whose touch with realty is at best shaky.

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just wonder what those who have attempted to come here by legal means and get refused on a technicality feel about this shit show. if any of us wanted to leave the eu to protect our borders and stop free movement from other eu countries might as well have voted to remain. seems very co incidental that these have arrived over here once we partially left the eu. is this a form of french pay back.


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a wall is a bit impractical for us..but the rest makes a lot of sense..scrap this catch and release shite at border force for a start..

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590 in the last two days plus those legally entering. Come on lads it’s great here although it won’t effect me at my age but we are heading for a divided country. Me what I would do is take the ones arriving on the coast straight to the airport and put on the plane to Rawanda. Now that would be a deterrent. Sorry this just can’t go on if someone has a better way of dealing with this problem great. I suppose I’ll be called a racialist now.


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I suppose I’ll be called a racialist now.

No, just another weary questioner of how this farce is allowed to continue.

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What happened to all those East German border guards who tragically lost their jobs when western capitalisms march eastwards threw these much misunderstood workers on the dole heap. :wink:

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So right JohnJo, once landed whisk them straight to the (Military) Airport and on the plane to Rwanda

No time to contact the legal/anti this and that brigade and give them all the paperwork they need to fill in once in Rwanda.

No trying to refuse boarding the flight or a few jabs from a bayonet up the a-se to speed them on their way.


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I suppose I’ll be called a racialist now.

No, just another weary questioner of how this farce is allowed to continue.

plus when the present numbers eventually dry up it will be a new lot that will start to appear. no wonder there is coastal erosion as the bloody place is sinking. surely in years to come nobody wants this country turning into a large version of hong kong in our built up areas having ribbon development along miles of our present motorways. if you think getting a doctors appointment is hard now just think what it will be like in 10 years time or kids having to go miles to a school. doubt even the lefties have answers for all the questions mass immegration may cause.


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What happened to all those East German border guards who tragically lost their jobs when western capitalisms march eastwards threw these much misunderstood workers on the dole heap. :wink:

Funny that, I was in an hotel in Germany about ten years ago, when a coach load of former East German tourists arrived for several days, the West Germans were generally not very keen or even respectful to them. The form East Germans they called ‘Ossies’, tended to move as a subdued group, weird to watch while the former West Germans were far more confident and outgoing.

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. if you think getting a doctors appointment is hard now just think what it will be like in 10 years time or kids having to go miles to a school. doubt even the lefties have answers for all the questions mass immegration may cause.



10 years ?? It's happening right now.Abbott and Co should go over to the Calais camps now and tell them all the social housing has gone and plead with them to stop risking their lives and others in a very busy shipping lane..leftie do-gooders my arse. :roll:


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Whos going to do the shit jobs if we dont have immigration? I want it reduced.
What about getting all the 16 + year olds into work earlier or getting retirees to do at least 2 days work to get their pension?

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. if you think getting a doctors appointment is hard now just think what it will be like in 10 years time or kids having to go miles to a school. doubt even the lefties have answers for all the questions mass immegration may cause.



10 years ?? It's happening right now.Abbott and Co should go over to the Calais camps now and tell them all the social housing has gone and plead with them to stop risking their lives and others in a very busy shipping lane..leftie do-gooders my arse. :roll:


There are currently over 200000 empty homes in England, the government do not appear to be doing anything to force the owners to do anything with them.
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. if you think getting a doctors appointment is hard now just think what it will be like in 10 years time or kids having to go miles to a school. doubt even the lefties have answers for all the questions mass immegration may cause.



10 years ?? It's happening right now.Abbott and Co should go over to the Calais camps now and tell them all the social housing has gone and plead with them to stop risking their lives and others in a very busy shipping lane..leftie do-gooders my arse. :roll:


There are currently over 200000 empty homes in England, the government do not appear to be doing anything to force the owners to do anything with them.
The other thing is the greedy building companies hold back the supply of new homes to force the prices up.

Yes very true Jamie

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Whos going to do the shit jobs if we dont have immigration? I want it reduced.
What about getting all the 16 + year olds into work earlier or getting retirees to do at least 2 days work to get their pension?

I know plenty of people doing shit jobs, in fact lots of them, that’s why they can never buy a house….yet they build ‘executive’ estates around the town…who’s buying them?
When I was 24 I’d just bought my second house up the Fens, it was affordable….people bought a street house first then moved on…. Plenty of nice decent street houses till the early 90’s when the private land lords moved in and dumped families from hell into decent areas and emptied them quicker than rancid curry, leaving a lot of people to suffer.

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Whos going to do the shit jobs if we dont have immigration? I want it reduced.
What about getting all the 16 + year olds into work earlier or getting retirees to do at least 2 days work to get their pension?

I know plenty of people doing shit jobs, in fact lots of them, that’s why they can never buy a house….yet they build ‘executive’ estates around the town…who’s buying them?
When I was 24 I’d just bought my second house up the Fens, it was affordable….people bought a street house first then moved on…. Plenty of nice decent street houses till the early 90’s when the private land lords moved in and dumped families from hell into decent areas and emptied them quicker than rancid curry, leaving a lot of people to suffer.


Exactly, when we were younger we bought a street house possibly with an outside toilet and rising damp.We then proceeded to built an extension to incorporate an inside toilet/bathroom and sorted the rising damp out albeit there were a load of cowboys doing it .
When the original Fens was built there were more 2/3 semi detached houses than ‘executive’ ones. The mortgage rate reached 15% at one time so no one could afford one. Nowadays the majority of the younger people with the help of the low interest rates take big mortgages on buy cars on a lease and basically live from month to month.

The 2008 crash in the States, the yanks mortgaged themselves too the hilt in fact borrowing money based on the fact that the house prices would continue to grow. Unfortunately they didn’t, people couldn’t afford to meet their mortgage commitments, the house was worth less than they borrowed from bank who then repossessed it and selling it on, that caused the crash. Watch the fillum Abacus, Small Enough to Jail, Abacus Bank became the only financial institution to actually face criminal charges following the subprime mortgage crisis, the big institutions got of.
It concerns me if interest rates continue to rise the U.K. could find itself in a similar situation, the people who own the executive house in Hartlepool are in general normal working class people who must have very large mortgages not unless the bank of Mam and Dad has contributed a lump sum.


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When the original Fens was built there were more 2/3 semi detached houses than ‘executive’ ones. The mortgage rate reached 15% at one time so no one could afford one. Nowadays the majority of the younger people with the help of the low interest rates take big mortgages on buy cars on a lease and basically live from month to month.

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The one ‘good thing’ with inflation at that rate was that we kept getting rises to compensate which meant that you tend to bob along catching up, well at least it did for me.
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The other thing is the greedy building companies hold back the supply of new homes to force the prices up.

and the biggest joke is that they call em affordable housing. affordable to who i have always thought. better if they could provide more affordable rented accomodation as buying a house isn,t compulsory. being britains worst d.i.y er house ownership was akin to owning a ferrari as everything went wrong to be ripped off my traders.


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The government has announced the following.
"Under the plans (for electronic tagging), asylum seekers will have to regularly report in person to authorities and may be subject to a curfew or excluded from certain locations, while failure to do so could result in them being returned to detention or prosecuted."

Seems perfectly reasonable to me to protect the Uk and also the asylum seeker too. Errr why has this not been put in place before. Tags can be discrete.

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The government has announced the following.
"Under the plans (for electronic tagging), asylum seekers will have to regularly report in person to authorities and may be subject to a curfew or excluded from certain locations, while failure to do so could result in them being returned to detention or prosecuted."

Seems perfectly reasonable to me to protect the Uk and also the asylum seeker too. Errr why has this not been put in place before. Tags can be discrete.

it might be but will it come off once the liberal lefties start kicking off. wish actions were as easy as talk as this government might redeam itself.


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suppose it beats the brown envelope....what a complete £anker this bloke is.. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie and Rwanda.
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I thought dodgy till they explained it on the news, turns up with money for charity, money immediately given to aid3 then taken away to be deposited in bank, apparently it’s the done thing to flash the cash.
Critics pointed out it would haven perfectly ok if it had been a cheque . The difference being…..? :roll:

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thing is like..cheques leave traces..cash doesn't.. suitcase with a million euros inside?..its dodgy as hell..:wink:

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