Paul Hartley is the new manager

dstanley3 · **Joined:** Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:00 pm **Posts:** 7

I just hope we have got a manager that adopts a playing style to fit with the players he has available. Coming with pre-conceived ideas of how the game should be played, as those who have spent time in the upper echelons of the EFL do, is a recipe for failure. Trying to imitate Liverpool and Man City with division two players simply does not work.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

stan.."I just hope we have got a manager that adopts a playing style to fit with the players he has available."

...tippy tappy...hoof ball...dont care tbh..just winning football please..

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Very true but you wouldn't back pools to finish above Stockport would you? Not impossible but you probobly say they have a massive head start.

I wouldn’t back Pools to do anything, but they’re nothing to fear. The only head start they have is in their own heads…. c’mon, they’re Stockport.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3768

"He hasn’t spent his entire career managing clubs with a crowd of 12 and 230 sheep assisted by Wee Jock McPloppy playing the bag pipes up Kylesku".

Wee Jock McPloppy had a decent career with Cowdenbeath. He had a reputation as a hard tackling, no nonsense defender till his playing days were cut short by injury. As a youngster he once had a trial with Berwick Rangers but his lack of height prevented Berwick taking any further interest. He was a reliable kit man, No2 and emergency physio and was a dab hand with the magic sponge. He dedicated his life to football in the Scottish lower leagues and is one of a dying breed. He is currently without a club but as a proud Scot he would never consider moving to England. He loves the pipes and fills his spare time practicing but has never quite got his tone as good as it ought to be.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19729

Snowy wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

There’s ‘budgets’ and there’s ‘budget’s’…… it’s not the budget, it’s how you spend the budget. Any fool can spend a budget on dross, so a budget guarantees nowt
Preston are a stunning example.

by budgets i hope people mean the amount of wages the club will offer players and not transfer fees. thing is players follow the money and or length of contract that suits them. selling the area tole to pay wages players is a must to show them that their pound will go much further than it would in the majority of areas of england. higher the club is able to pay players wages the bigger pool of players they can look at.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

stomp.."No one on here knows what Pools budget is nor, for that matter, do they know what the budgets of other clubs are."

...you obviously haven't met the bunkers billy liar then ?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

poolie1 wrote:

stomp.."No one on here knows what Pools budget is nor, for that matter, do they know what the budgets of other clubs are."

...you obviously haven't met the bunkers billy liar then ?

People seem to know the in and outs and financial workings of Pools from top to bottom.
Any organisation with that many financial leaks must be publishing it’s accounts online with a daily update.
Nonsense of course….as is the stream of predictions that never came true pour out, you have to wonder why people go on making them up.
No one can possibly know, yet people say someone told me this blah diddly blah, but there’s never any meat on the bone just vague visions that no one ever backs up with facts.
The constant berating of the Chairman and the finances of the club make me wonder why?

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

snowy.."The constant berating of the Chairman and the finances of the club make me wonder why?"

..to use an expression coined by mr gloves in a different context..maybe its just "cranks abuse"?..but tbh these people deserve our sympathy... not our ridicule...please father forgive me for i have sinned.. :laugh:

..."virtually universal characteristics of cranks include:
Cranks overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and underestimate that of acknowledged experts.
Cranks insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently important.
Cranks rarely, if ever, acknowledge any error, no matter how trivial.
Cranks love to talk about their own beliefs, often in inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be bad listeners, being uninterested in anyone else's experience or opinions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5529

Stomper409 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

He hasn’t spent his entire career managing clubs with a crowd of 12 and 230 sheep assisted by Wee Jock McPloppy playing the bag pipes up Kylesku.
What is this obsession with budgets? Give me a manager who can spot talent and pay the money out on performance not reputation.
As for Scotland….. Dingwall…. Neale Cooper …I only turned up there because there’s a small hospital over the car park from the ground and we dropped someone off injured….and suddenly realised where we where.
He didn’t do too badly.

Snowy, you're right. All the rubbish about budgets is pure speculation. No one on here knows what Pools budget is nor, for that matter, do they know what the budgets of other clubs are.

Raj's comment on the OS is:

“We have discussed recruitment and how we will support Paul to improve the squad with a significantly increased budget this season, building on the work that has gone on over the past few years.”

Not going to pretend to guess what last season's baseline budget was or how much Challinor wasted scrabbling around for players after most clubs had been able to settle on their squads last summer, but "significantly increased" is the right direction to be going in.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:28 pm

I have a good feeling about this new manager.....let's get behind him and the board too.

Singhsong · **Joined:** Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:19 pm **Posts:** 26

Look, we'll never know what the finances are or will be. Irrespective we just need to get behind the manager and support Pools, whosoever manages or plays for them. Thats's what we've done in the past and hopefully will do so in the future.

No negativity.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9533

poolie1 wrote:

snowy.."The constant berating of the Chairman and the finances of the club make me wonder why?"

..to use an expression coined by mr gloves in a different context..maybe its just "cranks abuse"?..but tbh these people deserve our sympathy... not our ridicule...please father forgive me for i have sinned.. :laugh:

..."virtually universal characteristics of cranks include:
Cranks overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and underestimate that of acknowledged experts.
Cranks.
You the biggest crank the Bunkers ever had.
An absolute bellend.
Hartley aint no magician will only be as good as tbe budget he gets.
Lets see were we are at xmas.
I always debate with the rest of the bunkerites in a civilised manner.
Only you bring me down to your level.
Everyone knows what u are an immature troll.

Cranks insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently important.
Cranks rarely, if ever, acknowledge any error, no matter how trivial.
Cranks love to talk about their own beliefs, often in inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be bad listeners, being uninterested in anyone else's experience or opinions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19729

Singhsong wrote:

Look, we'll never know what the finances are or will be. Irrespective we just need to get behind the manager and support Pools, whosoever manages or plays for them. Thats's what we've done in the past and hopefully will do so in the future.

No negativity.

yes, and have realistic expectations as well. lots of fans do not have the patiance nowadays as they once had.

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:38 am

The thing for me is the man knows how to coach and manage - thats the main thing, he has done this at a decent level aswell and to take a part time football team through the divisions (no matter where it is) is quite some task and accomplishment- as we have discussed on here previously, having both sets of attributes gets you along way in this modern game - add to that his No.2 who's credentials would stand alone as a decent manager / coach himself - we are laughing ! I for one are very please with this acquisition - and he was my ideal candidate once we knew Mowbray was just chinese whispers !

he no doubt may bring with him one or two players from CR - we will see. Alot of work to be done though and hopefully Mr Trotter is ready to hand him a long list of players to go and recruit "!

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

It is getting to be a pain where some people say the know more about the finances of the club than the club do. Trouble is no one actually produces any proof to support their vague assertions. They tap their nose, wink and refer to their contacts, but again it’s all smoke and mirrors with no end product. They labour under the impression there’s a fountain spewing liquid gold into buckets as they advise others on how to spend their money and there they depart from reality.
The constant portrayal of the club by these same ‘advisors’ as a tight fisted money grubbing hell hole of ill repute where everything is done on the cheap is hardly the best way to impress prospective recruits if they read this fanciful tosh as well as portraying the club in a poor light.
What the end result of constant moaning that can never be satisfied is a mystery.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

snowy.."It is getting to be a pain where some people say the know more about the finances of the club than the club do. Trouble is no one actually produces any proof to support their vague assertions"

..vague assertions?..an understatement..more like deliberate lies dressed up as fact...i know the playing budget has been cut..i know the players are not being paid their bonuses..i know the managers salary is below average...i know hes the cheap option..i know hes on more money at shields...cranks the lot of them... :eusa-liar:

Rinkender · **Joined:** Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:36 pm **Posts:** 787

poolie1 wrote:

snowy.."It is getting to be a pain where some people say the know more about the finances of the club than the club do. Trouble is no one actually produces any proof to support their vague assertions"

..vague assertions?..an understatement..more like deliberate lies dressed up as fact...i know the playing budget has been cut..i know the players are not being paid their bonuses..i know the managers salary is below average...i know hes the cheap option..i know hes on more money at shields...cranks the lot of them... :eusa-liar:

Jesus Christ I’m in danger of agreeing with Poolie1

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

poolie1 wrote:

snowy.."It is getting to be a pain where some people say the know more about the finances of the club than the club do. Trouble is no one actually produces any proof to support their vague assertions"

..vague assertions?..an understatement..more like deliberate lies dressed up as fact...i know the playing budget has been cut..i know the players are not being paid their bonuses..i know the managers salary is below average...i know hes the cheap option..i know hes on more money at shields...cranks the lot of them... :eusa-liar:

When you ask for proof, you get……. Ignored, or called a poodle of Raj…. but still no answer.
A lot like dealing with an intransigent gang of cub scouts who keep a really top secret …..that never existed, but pretend it did.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

snowy.."When you ask for proof, you get……. Ignored, or called a poodle of Raj…. but still no answer."

..or worse..."Shut up you prick."...very upsetting really...didn't sleep well last night...

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12365

Rinkender wrote:

poolie1 wrote:

snowy.."It is getting to be a pain where some people say the know more about the finances of the club than the club do. Trouble is no one actually produces any proof to support their vague assertions"

..vague assertions?..an understatement..more like deliberate lies dressed up as fact...i know the playing budget has been cut..i know the players are not being paid their bonuses..i know the managers salary is below average...i know hes the cheap option..i know hes on more money at shields...cranks the lot of them... :eusa-liar:

Jesus Christ I’m in danger of agreeing with Poolie1

That's generally how it should be. If you think a person is right or at least agree with him/her then say so. It doesn't matter who that person is.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4448

poolie1 wrote:

snowy.."When you ask for proof, you get……. Ignored, or called a poodle of Raj…. but still no answer."

..or worse..."Shut up you prick."...very upsetting really...didn't sleep well last night...

So are you going to get behind this manager or are you going to ridicule his every move.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

billy.."Don't need to tell you nowt you Pratt"

..ditto..

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4448

Well at least give the guy a chance this time hey.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:39 pm

Just heard Eddie Kyle giving Hartley a glowing report on Radio Cleveland.

Johnjo1 · **Joined:** Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:52 pm **Posts:** 1625

One thing for certain Eddie won’t be giving Raj any credit for bringing him here.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

Only if it goes wrong, then it’s all Raj’s fault.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19729

[quote="Snowy"]
The constant portrayal of the club by these same ‘advisors’ as a tight fisted money grubbing hell hole of ill repute where everything is done on the cheap is hardly the best way to impress prospective recruits if they read this fanciful tosh as well as portraying the club in a poor light.
that sounds also like a rant from many at old trafford as well. how dare they pay less money out and how dare pools also lose out to harrogate and others with lower gates than we get.

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:12 am

there was a statement on one of the publishings rgarding our new management team on how Raj and the board worked hard to get him - seems like he was always No.1 priority and they even asked other contacts in the game by the looks on what hes like - all positive and all said go and get him !

again this is another thing as a club we need to be thankful for - the fact we have an actual COO of footballing heritage in charge who knows how to run a successful club.... the directors with their contacts and knowledge - this all wouldnt of happened if it wasnt for them. Finally our club is starting to function like a true full time Pro football club. Once the academy is back up and running i can see even better things happening at Pools - forget the new stadium lets let this Phoenix learn how to fly first ! UTFP !

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5529

Eiphos_3 wrote:

again this is another thing as a club we need to be thankful for - the fact we have an actual COO of footballing heritage in charge who knows how to run a successful club.... the directors with their contacts and knowledge - this all wouldnt of happened if it wasnt for them.

Ah yes, the same brains trust who thought Lee and Nelson were the future only 6 months ago.

Ah well, everybody's entitled to one mistake.

Hartley looks to be much more of a Challinor type of decision - someone with a track record of success. Fingers crossed.

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:02 pm

its the ability and honest approach given by said board to realise they made a mistake and rectify it that still makes my last post true !

maybe Hartley was the N01 target after DC left... no way would he have left the promotion push at Cove at that time - all about timing in football.

and yes he is very much of the DC character with similar track record - fingers crossed indeed - utfp !

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

Flying Hogans wrote:

Ah yes, the same brains trust who thought Lee and Nelson were the future only 6 months ago.

Ah well, everybody's entitled to one mistake.
.

Name a club who made the right decision every time they signed a manager.
Lee will have had plenty of backers singing his praises when he got the job as evidenced by the behaviour of certain pundits when he got the bullet.
Accentuating the negative is never a positive idea. Most sensible clubs and their fans bury their managerial mistakes at midnight and act like it was a bad dream…here, some people have turned it into a cult following, an orgy of failure that gets some people quite aroused

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19729

[quote="Snowy"][
Name a club who made the right decision every time they signed a manager.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19729

[quote="Flying Hogans"][

Ah yes, the same brains trust who thought Lee and Nelson were the future only 6 months ago.

Ah well, everybody's entitled to one mistake.

and again who actually wanted rid of them straight after the penalty shoot out defeat against league 1 leaders rotherham.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5529

Snowy wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

Ah yes, the same brains trust who thought Lee and Nelson were the future only 6 months ago.

Ah well, everybody's entitled to one mistake.
.

Name a club who made the right decision every time they signed a manager.
Lee will have had plenty of backers singing his praises when he got the job as evidenced by the behaviour of certain pundits when he got the bullet.
Accentuating the negative is never a positive idea. Most sensible clubs and their fans bury their managerial mistakes at midnight and act like it was a bad dream…here, some people have turned it into a cult following, an orgy of failure that gets some people quite aroused

You're fighting the wrong battle with the wrong person there Mr. Snowy. Don't I go on in the same post to suggest it was an aberration and Pools are back on track with the Hartley appointment?

I'm very happy that the board learned from their mistake with the previous appointment - but it was a mistake, as some of us thought at the time. When I pointed out that Nelson had been sacked by Blyth Spartans because of his atrocious record as a manger someone on here disputed that he had been sacked! I don't do that kind of blind loyalty.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

Wrong battle, I was suggesting nobody gets it right every time, nowt wrong there.
As for stating some people on here love to look on the dark side, it’s a fact, they do.
I was not referring to you, if I was I‘d ask you direct.
As for Nelson, ever get the impression it was old times sake?

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19729

Snowy wrote:

As for Nelson, ever get the impression it was old times sake?

both appointments were. if they had no history as pools players they,d never have been here. no way the club would have appointed a youth manager from blackburn rovers or a manager sacked by guiseley as assistant without their history at the vic.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

chris turner

Essex poolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:42 pm **Posts:** 883

Monday 13th June and welcome to our new management team who officially start today. Lets hope we now hit the ground running and start signing some new players for what hopefully is an exciting new season.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12365

Come on PH, get a move on. No signings yet and it's after 10 o'clock. :angry-tappingfoot:

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:58 am

Welcome to Gods Country PH & team !

id imagine we see some more backroom staff coming in this week too

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

derwent wrote:

Come on PH, get a move on. No signings yet and it's after 10 o'clock. :angry-tappingfoot:

I was expecting at least a brace of signings by noon, soooooo let down, c’mon Raj sort it out…… :laugh:

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12365

just watched his first interview, there is definitely going to be no slackers, no nonsense and plenty of expectation as far as PH is concerned.
He says he's been offered plenty of players. Let's hope he manages to recruit the right ones. The players start back next week and he wants a few in by then.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37440

Just saw the interview…I like the cut of his jib.
Shape up or ship out could be his message.

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:54 pm

I would love to know what some of the agents have tried to sell to us - happens every season but even more so now in the League - alot of dross from the lower leagues gets thrown our way id imagine (next Vardy and all this) - we have already seen just how the difference in levels can be with Carver (hoping he comes good under this new regime with better coaching etc).

Regardless of only managing part time players - he managed to get the right ones for the Cove promotion so just how good will his full time picks be - he was a baller himself once so knows what to look for in terms of recruitment - very very excited by all this tbh

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19729

think the first couple of signings will be interesting if only because it may give some indication of the type of player they are looking for. for me i hope they will have to duck going through the door.

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:46 am

I wouldnt get too excited by maybe the first man through the door - this maybe one Potter has found and the board have given the nod.... there is players he has outlined as he spoke about yesterday... its probably once the trialists offered to Pools play some games and pass the test of the management that we can truely decide if he has made the correct decision on some players - either way im confident his incomings will be better than those made by DC and Spike over the last 2 windows

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