https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport ... ed-manager

Fair enough that he put a higher valuation on his services that Raj initially did. Hope Hartley's been equally determined about the transfer budget.

Welcome to Pools Paul.

Costcutting Regime since February must be over.
Now splash that Cash Mr Chairman and reward our brilliant supporters with a good go at Promotion.

Lol that shut a few of you up. Mind you he’s no Sol Campbell I have to say.

no point going overboard, but paying competative wages is a must as there are loads of players out there looking for a club. lets hope we get the right men in place for the start of the season.

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Raj made his offer, Hartley wanted more, he must have got more to be manager and I suspect a lot of assurances over the way things will be done.
Doesn’t sound like the sort of bloke who’s prepared to compromise.

Why does everyone assume that it was the wages that were increased to Hartley rather than the compensation to Cove? Does it necessarily follow that compensation was agreed before giving permission to speak to him? Doubt it.

To be fair, I don’t really care what the background to it was or even speculate about it.
I’m just happy we’ve got a manager in.

Seems like a pretty big gamble. Hope it pays off for you.

I agree. It could be any or all of a few sticking points that had to be sorted.
Salary, length of contract, exit package, the employment of his assistant, playing budget, accomodation, travelling expenses to name but a few.
He's here now, gets down to it, sorts out the playing staff he wants to start with, has a good pre season and then hopefully starts off the season up and running, keeps in touch with the top up to christmas and then tweaks his squad in January and goes all out for promotion.
That is the plan for me. I wish him and his mate the best of luck.
The club need to look at lengthening the early bird until the end of June.
Oh and wipe the floor with shagport.........twice.

All managerial appointments are a gamble. Of all the potential new managers mentioned over the last month or so, show me one who wouldn’t have been a gamble!!

essex........
"Hartley turned us down after a conversation with mr x about budget and interference from above and not being able to do it his way"
"Raj must now stop all this stupidity and get us a decent manager and some decent players in"
"Believe me word has gone around about the budget the manager's salary and the expectations of an interfering chairman "
"I do not think any one can defend his action or lack of over the past 4 weeks"

4/6/22.."Lets get behind the club including the recruitment guy and give them our support."


....what an absolute knob.....

Poolie 1:
As they say it takes one to to know one and I bow to you as chief knob head on the bunker. At least with snowy you can have a bit of banter you on the other hand persist in infantile name calling for club staff and the continual creeping to Raj. If something I feel is wrong I will say it despite what complete twats like you think so just grow up.

essex.."If something I feel is wrong I will say it "

....if i feel something is wrong?..dont make me laugh...you have a persistent habit of posting lies dressed up as fact....banter?...no ...you make up little shit stirring stories and make vile toxic defamatory accusations..then you talk about supporting the club..and you are too imbecilic to recognise your blatant hypocrisy..stop name calling and grow up you complete twat ?...

"At Orient on Saturday from a superb showing of Poolies there was a toxic undercurrent about what is happening at our club. It was common knowledge that the deal was already done with Stockport and they were just agreeing compensation. Raj must put out a proper statement and give answers to the following:
Why have coaches, a physio and manager all left6 in such a short period with inadequate explanations ?
Why was the playing budget cut despite going up a division ?
Why were promotion bonuses not paid in full?
Why was there a delay in DCs contract was it only done so Pools would receive compensation and what will the
compensation be used for ?
Why was DC offered a lower than average contract for the new division ?
Why was Armstrong not signed despite being a FREE transfer?
Will transfer funds be made available in January due to the increased crowds at the Vic?
Raj your customers need answers from you not made up speculations on fan forums, answers please."

Stomper has it spot on, no manager can guarantee anything, you take a chance every time you sign a new manager.
I’m looking forward to this signing oddly enough, it could go tits up or be a master stroke, time will tell.

My question is always the same, can you quote your sources relating to financial statements you have made regarding bonuses, contracts, size of contracts, playing budget, managers contract, do you have access to this information? ….. or is it just speculation on your part?

essex...may be of help..?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxtJlc8AZe4

I think it's a good appointment. Paul Hartley has had a few blips in his managerial career, which is inevitable for all but the very best, but overall he has done well.

His assistant is no mug either and has a wealth of experience: https://coverangersfc.com/2020/01/21/co ... -football/

It's a pity that it's taken this long to get the deal done, but on the other hand fair play to Pools for not panicking and settling for someone who'd be a bigger risk.

Success or failure, I doubt he'll be with us for more than a couple of seasons at best, but it's a positive step for both parties:

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sp ... ig-levein/

Two very interesting articles there Mr Hogan’s… I was particularly interested in the comments made by Craig Levein where he said when he came down to manage Leicester, he made a mistake and wishes he’d came into the English leagues at a lower level like Hartley has chosen to do.

at least he is coming to the club where it would be harder to be worse than the previous one. bad start or good start to next season will not mean that much, its where we finish at the end that matters. hope fans give him a good chance or go OTT depending on the seasons start. would not have been my choice but it could have been far worse.

Exactly
Now its all about Hartley doing some shrewd business with this summers budget.
DC Dident see it because he wanted away.
GL Dident see much of it but you got to give him credit for generating good cash from the cup runs despite the poor league form.
Surely its 3rd time lucky that Hartley gets a good luck at this much stated excellent Budget from within the club.
He has to we only got 10 players.
8 weeks is enough time to get a decent 18 man squad together. Quality over Quantity for a change.
Then add in 2 or 3 good loanies in.
The optimism is slowly coming back.
UTP.

Think optimism would not have gone away if the appointment had been much earlier. No one can blame any pools fans for expecting the worst as history has proved they were usually right. Most do not expect big signings and 6 figures being thrown around like wrexham and stockport but decent players who turn up every week to see more good games and wins than the opposite. Any success is just icing on the cake.

Team Spirit is Free.
Mite not be a bad thing building a team up more or less from scratch.
Hopefully Hartleys got that ability /charisma to galvanise a squad that gives 100% on n off the pitch.
The teams that went up last season didn't outclass us or look a lot better than us.
End of the day its 4th division Football.

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Team Spirit is Free.
Mite not be a bad thing building a team up more or less from scratch.
Hopefully Hartleys got that ability /charisma to galvanise a squad that gives 100% on n off the pitch.
The teams that went up last season didn't outclass us or look a lot better than us.
End of the day its 4th division Football.[/quote]

When he joined Alloa Athletic, they only had one player under contract. He assembled an entirely new squad and won the league!!

They had something that’s free, team spirit and fight in them.
That’s what you need at this level, not trying watered down Premiership tip tap bore the opposition into submission tactics.
You don’t need to bust the bank, you get in the right people with the right attitude and commitment.

Right people with the right attitude and commitment - sounds dead easy I wonder why managers haven’t sussed this out.

Maybe a lot of managers aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer.
You need to motivate your players and have a plan of play, most turn up with one or the other.
Never said it was easy but it certainly isn’t hard, depends on the character of the manager.
Some motivate, some don’t.
End of the day though, it’s the application of rather basic management skills, not Nuclear Fusion theory.

How much budget will Hartley have, compensation would have been paid to Lee and I assume Nelson will be receiving compensation when he leaves. There is also a fee paid to Cove Rangers for Hartley and Young. That will have have eaten into all the cash we got from the cup runs quite substantially I would have thought ?

The management team have come from COVE Rangers not GLASGOW.
Don't worry about the budget.

You’re making too many assumptions, your brain could short circuit at this rate. I suspect Hartley is too fly not too have agreed what budget will be available before he signed the contract, that’s why the process took so long with the coming and goings.
I’m more interested in the type of player he brings in, not how much we pay for them.

You’re making too many assumptions, your brain could short circuit at this rate. I suspect Hartley is too fly not too have agreed what budget will be available before he signed the contract, that’s why the process took so long with the coming and goings.
I’m more interested in the type of player he brings in, not how much we pay for them.

some have but others are more interested in fancy tactics that players get shoved on them whether they are able to play that way or even want to. hope he is a bit of a shithouse type that our opponents fans hate, take no prisoners and give match officials a hard time if they deserve it. hope for a revolution next season and not just a change of manager.

When he joined Alloa Athletic, they only had one player under contract. He assembled an entirely new squad and won the league!![/quote]
do not know much about scottish football but imagine clubs are no different to down here. some will have more cash than others and wonder if both alloa and cove had more than others.

Very good point. Threw out football it is generally the clubs with big budgets (at that level) that are the most successful.

do not know much about scottish football but imagine clubs are no different to down here. some will have more cash than others and wonder if both alloa and cove had more than others.[/quote]

He had a bit of cash at Cove,but Alloa were potless.

Cash certainly helps, but it’s only part of the picture.

Still have my reservations about the Cove achievements due to their budget but feel this could be a good appointment. He got Dundee to 6th in the Scottish premier so clearly has the ability! Now to see what kind of budget he’s been given here…

I’d imagine the budget was decided before signing, can’t see him turning up to find out it’s the takings of the swear box and a refund from the Germans for the Zeppelin bombing the stand (it’s in the post)….. as some on here actually believe to be true.

Add to that the hole they put in the wall at the back of platform 1 on the railway station during the bombardment.https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... gCegQIARBB

As it was
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=htt ... AdAAAAABAE

Oddly enough, my gran told me at the time my 18year old great uncle Jimmy was home on leave from the army and in an unrelated incident, a relative had died and after a good send off someone accidentally set fire to the shroud on the corpse on display. There was hell on, because when Jimmy was due to back he found out they’d buried the corpse in his army greatcoat …’out of respect’. He blamed the Zeppelin raid when he got back to camp and got away with it.
Wonder how many other ‘problems’ were solved by that Zeppelin.

Massive difference from being in the dog and duck leagues of Scotland to managing a club, that can sell 5000 tickets in no time for a game in London.

Raj has to give this guy a chance though, he needs to give him a budget that at least allows us to compete well. No excuses for scraping the barrels of under 18 teams this year, proper footballers are needed.

He hasn’t spent his entire career managing clubs with a crowd of 12 and 230 sheep assisted by Wee Jock McPloppy playing the bag pipes up Kylesku.
What is this obsession with budgets? Give me a manager who can spot talent and pay the money out on performance not reputation.
As for Scotland….. Dingwall…. Neale Cooper …I only turned up there because there’s a small hospital over the car park from the ground and we dropped someone off injured….and suddenly realised where we where.
He didn’t do too badly.

We could do with a Zeppelin raid now with a couple of 1000 pound bombs dropped on the town centre.

Just a couple…..? The shopping centre would benefit from a sink hole, with out loss of life of course….me being caring there.

If budgets meant nothing we wouldn't have the same teams dominating English football, budgets mean everything now in football.

Nothing wrong with Scottish managers done well at pools, but let's be honest massive difference managing cove rangers and pools.

There’s ‘budgets’ and there’s ‘budget’s’…… it’s not the budget, it’s how you spend the budget. Any fool can spend a budget on dross, so a budget guarantees nowt
Preston are a stunning example.

Very true but you wouldn't back pools to finish above Stockport would you? Not impossible but you probobly say they have a massive head start.

Yes agree but how do you catch and re-home 2000 pigeons and gulls?

Snowy, you're right. All the rubbish about budgets is pure speculation. No one on here knows what Pools budget is nor, for that matter, do they know what the budgets of other clubs are.