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 Post subject: Retained List
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2022 4:48 pm 
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On the OS now:

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... list-2223/

New contracts offered to Liddle, Shelton and -er- Jordan Cook! Plus Molyneux and Odusina of course, but they're going to say no.


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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Can sort of understand Liddle being offered a contract as I imagine he'll be cheap. He certainly should not be starting and should be at best 4th choice. Shelton is not good enough at this level and Jordan Cook being offered a deal is bizarre


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Angol should have been kept!!!!

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Who ever said on here Cook was getting new terms offered. Fair play… your inside knowledge is bang on. Please do let us know who the next manager is …

But its embarassing to say the least … what are we thinking. He is really that good to not play a single full game and be offered new terms wow.

Shelton is no better than Smith. Rubbish decision

Timi and Mols are gone ive heard thats just a matter of time unfortunately.

Guessing this is the start of the bad summer recruitment. Very unflattering!

Announce new manager soon otherwise fans are going to walk


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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Lot of work to do.

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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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Bizarre, I can’t believe it. Everyone has a right to an opinion but this is a 32yrs old who played in 4 league games this season and 10 for Gateshead the season before. Sorry but something stinks for me.


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Maybe like Killip they’re hoping Shelton and Cook will ‘improve’. My arse they will. :roll:

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Johnjo1 wrote:
Bizarre, I can’t believe it. Everyone has a right to an opinion but this is a 32yrs old who played in 4 league games this season and 10 for Gateshead the season before. Sorry but something stinks for me.

Because we can keep him on the cheap? Raj can fool a few with all this great budget talk, but he won't fool the majority this time.


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wtf...crock boy cook..bonehead said he was going to offer him a contract...but would have thought his sacking would of meant it was withdrawn?...obviously not...an absolute joke... :angry-screaming:


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poolie1 wrote:
wtf...crock boy cook.. :angry-screaming:

It is a bit of a joke that.


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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from 06.20...thank you so much bonehead.....presumably crock boy signed the paperwork as soon as it was put in front of him...strongly suspect this news is being held back by the club....ffs rakxe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfXZIKjQsK0


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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poolie1 wrote:
from 06.20...thank you so much bonehead.....presumably crock boy signed the paperwork as soon as it was put in front of him...strongly suspect this news is being held back by the club....ffs rakxe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfXZIKjQsK0


The blokes not even at the club anymore you can't blame him for this one


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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pesh...."The blokes not even at the club anymore you can't blame him for this one"

....bonehead offered the deal before his sacking...and crock boy signed....why not listen to the interview and read my post again pal... :roll:


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He probs orchestrated the paperwork
And put the wheels in motion. May of even given Raj the draft retained list a month ago. This does soemtimes happen. Hence Cooks new offer.


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Billingham - There is more in it than signing him on the cheap. There will be loads of cheap signings out there who are not injury prone who would jump at the chance to come to Pools. Sorry to repeat but to me something stinks!!


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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That must be Lee's retained list that they've gone with and re engagement could mean cook has to prove himself in pre season. Still it's an odd decision. Was really expecting Shelton to go as well.


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Johnjo1 wrote:
Billingham - There is more in it than signing him on the cheap. There will be loads of cheap signings out there who are not injury prone who would jump at the chance to come to Pools. Sorry to repeat but to me something stinks!!


Why should there be more in it? They probobly mistakenly feel they can get 30 games out of him next season for next to nothing, saves us bringing some 18 year old from Boro in as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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Shelton is no better than Smith.


You're kidding right? Shelton is too slow for L2 but he doesn't gift the ball to the opposition to anything like the same extent as Smith.

That said, no idea why Shelton would get a contract offer and Francis-Angol not.

With Shelton and Liddle it really depends what terms they've been offered. If the money's not right they might chose to walk away like Donaldson did last season and get fixed up in non-league.


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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The retained list gives the new manager the opportunity to bring in something like 8 new players to the club. If these are of decent pedigree then there is no reason why we shouldn’t have a decent season . It all depends on the new man. Let’s hope Raj gets it right this time.


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I'm guessing angol wouldn't have stayed and has something lined up.


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Angol was class - but he knows hes good enough to turn out weekly for a decent NL side or even dare i say it Stockport next season


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RichyHpool wrote:
I'm guessing angol wouldn't have stayed and has something lined up.


Seems obvious he sees he future alongside the Messiah. A pity cos he was one of the more soldid/reliable defenders we have ever had.


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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Surely Cook must have a clause in his contract to prove his fitness in pre season and then at best give him if we have to a pay as you pay deal to Christmas at best then bring in a replacement in January or better still no deal at all. Who is responsible for thi retained list if it were Lee then this is why a replacement should have been ready when he was sacked.


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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
RichyHpool wrote:
I'm guessing angol wouldn't have stayed and has something lined up.


Seems obvious he sees he future alongside the Messiah. A pity cos he was one of the more soldid/reliable defenders we have ever had.


He was decent but I disagree with that statement. Nelson, Westwood, Spike, Barron, Liddle, Fergie, Sterry, Baldwin, Kioso were all more solid in my opinion and that’s only ones from more recent times. There was also the problem of him not getting a game with Fergie being first choice left back and he wasn’t tall enough for centre back, although, he did well in a back 3. I think we can do better than him though.


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This has to be Lee’s list, which begs the question why wasn’t it just binned as it gives a frightening vision of the coming season if Lee had still been in charge.
Surely any incoming manager is going to think who the f@#k gave these clowns a contract in the first place, it would have been better to give any incoming manager a test drive first, no matter how brief.

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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
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I'm guessing angol wouldn't have stayed and has something lined up.


Seems obvious he sees he future alongside the Messiah. A pity cos he was one of the more soldid/reliable defenders we have ever had.

yes, a player who never let the side down with only one poor game for us. unlike shelton who was the opposite. if the latter had been released it would be odds on he,d have gone to darlo or spenny. his only letdown is being a left sided defender with no right foot at all and cannot slip in any other position.


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Maybe like Killip they’re hoping Shelton and Cook will ‘improve’. My arse they will. :roll:

would not want all three to be even squad players myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Retained List
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This has to be Lee’s list, which begs the question why wasn’t it just binned as it gives a frightening vision of the coming season if Lee had still been in charge.
Surely any incoming manager is going to think who the f@#k gave these clowns a contract in the first place, it would have been better to give any incoming manager a test drive first, no matter how brief.


To think we are letting Angol go over some of these is simply ludicrous, to think holohan couldn't get a game and yet we are keeping some of these, is simply a joke.

You get the feeling this could be one ling season ahead.


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Porter’s porter wrote:
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RichyHpool wrote:
I'm guessing angol wouldn't have stayed and has something lined up.


Seems obvious he sees he future alongside the Messiah. A pity cos he was one of the more soldid/reliable defenders we have ever had.


He was decent but I disagree with that statement. Nelson, Westwood, Spike, Barron, Liddle, Fergie, Sterry, Baldwin, Kioso were all more solid in my opinion and that’s only ones from more recent times. There was also the problem of him not getting a game with Fergie being first choice left back and he wasn’t tall enough for centre back, although, he did well in a back 3. I think we can do better than him though.


Dead right Mr P. If memory serves, the lad was an ex-National League free agent when we signed him so where is his pedigree for league 2? I liked him as a player and he played some good games for us but there will be players out there who will do a lot better.


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accrington.."would not want all three to be even squad players myself."

..shelton and flapper are non league standard who wouldn't get a contract at any other league club imo...cook is just another crock looking for a last payday at pools ...which he got last year and has now been given another for good measure..we hear about the club having ambition and making progress....just walk the talk like ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOx1ld42N78


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If anything …. If Greyson does get the job, surely he’s experienced enough to notice who is good enough to make the team sheet. Or on the other hand …. Thats all
We have to work with and the best we can hope for. National league beckons if thats the case.

I was really hoping for a turn in fortune for Pools this next season. Great kit manufacturer- good sponsorship deals. Talks of maybe another big sponsorship deal on the horizon. New manager and a good clear out ready to bring in
An actual squad of 18 / 20 league two standard footballers. The transition from NL and bad recruitment under DC had us still technically a squad fit for NL - and in some
Cases we all know not as strong as the one that got promoted. Thankfully Mols and timi stepped upto the mark this season and Bureys goals helped kick us on at the start.

Going to be a long summer Pools fans !


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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... 937879.amp

Others teams released players lists so far …. Not so up to date as Pools shown as not yet released.

Very interesting to see a certain 3 former Pools forwards on that list.

Paddy Almond
Gimi Toure
Lewis Allessandra

Id have lewis and Paddy back for certain. Not sure why Newport released him - i understand Telford is now their main threat up
Top but he always seemed to get goals still
And sure he started the season well


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Porter’s porter wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
RichyHpool wrote:
I'm guessing angol wouldn't have stayed and has something lined up.


Seems obvious he sees he future alongside the Messiah. A pity cos he was one of the more soldid/reliable defenders we have ever had.


He was decent but I disagree with that statement. Nelson, Westwood, Spike, Barron, Liddle, Fergie, Sterry, Baldwin, Kioso were all more solid in my opinion and that’s only ones from more recent times. There was also the problem of him not getting a game with Fergie being first choice left back and he wasn’t tall enough for centre back, although, he did well in a back 3. I think we can do better than him though.


Just to be clear, all I said was that Angol was ONE OF the more solid defenders we have ever had. I was not suggesting he was the best or even near the best just simply he was a decent, solid, defender.


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accrington.."would not want all three to be even squad players myself."

..shelton and flapper are non league standard who wouldn't get a contract at any other league club imo...cook is just another crock looking for a last payday at pools ...which he got last year and has now been given another for good measure..we hear about the club having ambition and making progress....just walk the talk like ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOx1ld42N78

never rated them as non league players so its hard to rate em now when they have not made the step up. the word cook just makes my mind boggle as he aint a marquee signing if he was actually fit.


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Eiphos_3 wrote:
Id have lewis and Paddy back for certain.

Amond has taken a lot of stick off a few people on Twitter since he left us so I doubt he'd come back though, like you, I'd certainly have him back.


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Snowy wrote:
This has to be Lee’s list, which begs the question why wasn’t it just binned as it gives a frightening vision of the coming season if Lee had still been in charge.
Surely any incoming manager is going to think who the f@#k gave these clowns a contract in the first place, it would have been better to give any incoming manager a test drive first, no matter how brief.

Clubs who aren't involved in the play offs have to register their retained list with the Football League by the third Saturday of May.


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Stomper409 wrote:
Porter’s porter wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
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I'm guessing angol wouldn't have stayed and has something lined up.


Seems obvious he sees he future alongside the Messiah. A pity cos he was one of the more soldid/reliable defenders we have ever had.


He was decent but I disagree with that statement. Nelson, Westwood, Spike, Barron, Liddle, Fergie, Sterry, Baldwin, Kioso were all more solid in my opinion and that’s only ones from more recent times. There was also the problem of him not getting a game with Fergie being first choice left back and he wasn’t tall enough for centre back, although, he did well in a back 3. I think we can do better than him though.


Dead right Mr P. If memory serves, the lad was an ex-National League free agent when we signed him so where is his pedigree for league 2? I liked him as a player and he played some good games for us but there will be players out there who will do a lot better.

I would not be using Angol as the standard for what we require at Pools.

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Id have lewis and Paddy back for certain.

Amond has taken a lot of stick off a few people on Twitter since he left us so I doubt he'd come back though, like you, I'd certainly have him back.

He ain’t ever coming back, move on.

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Ih this i know all too well Snowy. It was more a shock of his departure from Newport more than anything else. I believe he will no doubt grab a job in the NL for a team looking for a bagsman. A team with a fair pot of cash that is.

Mr Andy Cook of Bradford is a one id like to see us go after. Defintely still has legs in this league and would get us goals. Alas i believe our recruitment is more Mark Beck unfortunately also released by Harrogate.


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Ih this i know all too well Snowy. It was more a shock of his departure from Newport more than anything else. I believe he will no doubt grab a job in the NL for a team looking for a bagsman. A team with a fair pot of cash that is.

Mr Andy Cook of Bradford is a one id like to see us go after. Defintely still has legs in this league and would get us goals. Alas i believe our recruitment is more Mark Beck unfortunately also released by Harrogate.

Jeff beck more likely… to quote his most famous song We’re everywhere and nowhere baby, that’s where we’re at…. to paraphrase him.

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Mr Andy Cook of Bradford is a one id like to see us go after. Defintely still has legs in this league and would get us goals. Alas i believe our recruitment is more Mark Beck unfortunately also released by Harrogate.

beck would be ideal for pools as he has had plenty of time out injured at harrogate.


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I wonder if ... once the new manager is announced we hear if the guys who have been offered new deals take up on them or what is happening. Cook and Shelton will be rubbing their hands together as they are about to rob a living should they sign up again !

i know the players are all away on holiday for the next 2 or so weeks so expected it to be silent on that front.


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Newcastle U23's just announced their retained list - they have given Cass another contract. (didnt personally see that one coming)

I believe this is where we now need to invite the best of the 8 released (if not all 8) U23 players to come train with us in preseason - be first in !


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Newcastle U23's just announced their retained list - they have given Cass another contract. (didnt personally see that one coming)

I believe this is where we now need to invite the best of the 8 released (if not all 8) U23 players to come train with us in preseason - be first in !


Would take Turner and Allen. Not familiar with any of the others released


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Newcastle have got a young lad called Dylan Stephenson who is meant to be going on loan to League Two next season. Striker/winger so could be worth a look if Molyneux goes.


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