Stockport surprise.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

Surprised to see with five games to go they’ve only got a one point lead over Wrexham after a 2-0 home defeat to Borehamwood. There’s me thinking they had it all sorted, squeaky bum time it appears.

Critical Thinking · **Joined:** Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:50 am **Posts:** 2313

Yes and they have Wrexham to play at their gaff

Could DC be jumping ship again soon?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

I can hear the sound of the rations going into the lifeboat. Seriously though, the over confident Stockport fans must surely be thinking Uh oh….they’ve lost two out of the last three and it appears no matter how many you win there’s always someone on your shoulder closing the gap all the time
With Wrexham a point behind, that rear view mirror will be getting some stick.
As long as there’s only one automatic place there’s always gonna be a driven pack behind.
An awful league, a bottleneck of a league, with a need for two up automatically and one playoff spot.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

They are trying to impersonate torquay from last season. We know how that ended and how they have done this season. No matter what my lads says i have a feeling if they do not do it this season they never will for a few years and challinor will be off around next christmas time to a club even closer to where he lives.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Sun May 01, 2022 10:24 am

The mighty Borehamwood :laugh:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

Bluestreak wrote:

The mighty Borehamwood :laugh:

More like Borehamstiff.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

i swear that voodoo doll i made has been worth every penny....another pin went in yesterday....amazing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kgreoC_MDk

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

shove a cotton bud in its ear and you,ll have cracked it.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

Critical Thinking wrote:

Yes and they have Wrexham to play at their gaff

Could DC be jumping ship again soon?

well he might have an end of season clear out if they do not make it so could do us a favour by pushing players our way. well thats if we could persuade em to take a pay cut.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

Snowy wrote:

An awful league, a bottleneck of a league, with a need for two up automatically and one playoff spot.

oh no, now we are out of it lets bring back voting in and voting out teams again. something at least pools were succesful in.

Critical Thinking · **Joined:** Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:50 am **Posts:** 2313

10 of the top 13 in the National League are ex Football League sides all vying for promotion.

Stickport play away at Chesterfield tomorrow (tough one!) whilst Wrexham are away at BoringWood

Then next Sunday (8th) the big one - Wrexham v Stickport - that surely will sort out who gets automatic promotion?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

accrington fan wrote:

shove a cotton bud in its ear and you,ll have cracked it.

I could think of somewhere better to shove it, scaled of course.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4434

Stockport had a massive goal difference swing about two weeks ago of around 14 that has disappeared to 2 better than Wrexham, if they lose at Chesterfield it could well be game on for Wrexham.

Corner Flag · **Joined:** Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:36 pm **Posts:** 554

Teams in the National League play 44 games. Stockport with 4 games left are still the favourites for automatic promotion, but only just.

Poolie_on_Tyne · **Posted:** Mon May 02, 2022 8:02 am

ZFA didn't even make the bench against Borehamwood - just saying like!

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

tyne...."ZFA didn't even make the bench against Borehamwood - just saying like!"

......what a crying shame....

"I then got a phone call Thursday morning that Zaine had been in to see the manager and Lee Rust and was nearly in tears" :crying-yellow:

"

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

Poolie_on_Tyne wrote:

ZFA didn't even make the bench against Borehamwood - just saying like!

seems he is 3rd in line for a place behind two other ex poolies johnson and kitching. totally pointless move.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

accrington...."seems he is 3rd in line for a place behind two other ex poolies johnson and kitching. totally pointless move."

..zfa gav hendrie cullen....ridiculous management ..ridiculous decisions...ridiculous errors...

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

poolie1 wrote:

..zfa gav hendrie cullen....ridiculous management ..ridiculous decisions...ridiculous errors...

Depends which way you look at it. From his angle they were no more than squad players who at the best made the bench. From plenty of fans angles some of them should have been regular starters or at least got more time on the pitch. Gav was the stand out one who was not having the best of seasons even before challinor left but before or since others have hardly set the pitch on fire but their place is guarenteed.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

accrington...."Depends which way you look at it"

..how about just a "plenty of cover" way of looking at it ..eh ?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

The Titanic all over again, getting shot of players is like the Captain of the Titanic ordering all the lifeboats and life jackets thrown overboard because everyone says we’re unsinkable.
We aren’t and neither was the Titanic….which actually didn’t have enough lifeboats.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

poolie1 wrote:

accrington...."Depends which way you look at it"

..how about just a "plenty of cover" way of looking at it ..eh ?

agree with you, but no one at the time knew the unavailability list would be like it has been I,ll still stand by what i said before that the players mentioned should have had more game time and there was a bigger case for others to be shipped out especially loanees but doubt pools would want to upset their parent clubs for possible new loan moves. another case of being penny wise pound foolish.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

accrington..."agree with you, but no one at the time knew the unavailability list would be like it has been"

..no one at the time knew...look....was it possible?...if possible should it have been planned for?..if i and a multitude of other numbskulls could see it was possible...why not stanley unwin the king numbskull himself?...not related are you by any chance?....like pullin teeth this tbh...again??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwoG81JlqFU

..youll be telling us all next that the only reason anyone was bothered about zfa was that it was stockport...ffs...oh sorry mate you already have...forgot....soz..

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

Getting rid of these players worries me in another respect. Might be wrong but i have a feeling it was a form of cost cutting going hand in hand with footballing reasons. This does not look good for the summer if true as the savings made were hardly that great. anyone sitting on the fence to renue a season ticket might decide not to bother especially those who do not watch every game.

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2022 10:40 am

the fact Sage have took probably a large % of the unforcasted Revenue from the Cup runs - plus any tax owed on it etc... it now all makes sense as to cut the wage bill - gather extra funding from Holohan and ZFA and maybe use that cash for the summer. As i presume cash from sales of players isnt included in that unforcasted revenue ? I dont like the idea at all - nor does it sit well when we cant field a full bench and get knacked off a bunch of kids but if it means bringing in more quality in the summer or even replacing the flapper then fair play for this one. Still shite that we have to sell players i still felt had value at the club but stranger things have happened in football so we will see how the next few weeks pans out

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

eiphos..."As i presume cash from sales of players isnt included in that unforcasted revenue ?"

..its unbudgeted income..of course its included... like the cup run monies.. sterry sale money will be going direct to blackledge..read mr i's recent post below ..and he should know ..."a chunky percentage"..

"There is indeed a clause that a proportion of unbudgeted revenue goes back to sage. I don't have the figure but I do know its a chunky percentage. Pools obviously get the league payments but a lump of the cup run money goes back to Blakeledge."

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4434

poolie1 wrote:

eiphos..."As i presume cash from sales of players isnt included in that unforcasted revenue ?"

..its unbudgeted income..of course its included like the cup run monies.. sterry sale money will be going directto blackledge..read mr i's post..

Didn't raj say they get cuts of player sales and money when we get back in the football league. He did an interview about it or am I dreaming?They do not get all the money from a sale they get a percentage.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

billysmart.."they get a percentage"

..indeed..and a "chunky" one..nice..

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

poolie1 wrote:

billysmart.."they get a percentage"

..indeed..and a "chunky" one..nice..

and for how long and what is still owed.

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2022 11:51 am

nightmare - was hoping player sales where out of it due to their nature, but then again it is unforcasted revenue if say PSG came in for Sterry and offered us a few mill. If anything... the cup runs make our debt smaller and quicker to pay off - silver lining and all that. Lets just hope whats left plus the EFL moneys (Challinors severance / Fulham money) all get thrown at the new players - my worry is our management wont pick the right ones

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

eiphos..."my worry is our management wont pick the right ones"

...dont worry...boneheads data analysis mate geek boy was responsible for rotherhams success..hell do the same for us..you have not been listening..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDjmSYDq7es

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2022 12:11 pm

good old Joe90

our recruitment strategy is the data mining delboy banghead

- he better be doing his homework then - alot of good lads out of work come this summer...

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league- ... bewerb/GB4

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

I saw Roy of the Rovers going into the Staincliffe this morning, Del Boy is on the job bbolt

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

snowy..."I saw Roy of the Rovers going into the Staincliffe this morning, Del Boy is on the job" bbolt

..r u sure it was roy..?...i heard old borer boy john hickton was seen in hartlepool asda this morning...they do look alike mind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY-fKcTjK1g

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/109/109 ... 98664.html

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

poolie1 wrote:

snowy..."I saw Roy of the Rovers going into the Staincliffe this morning, Del Boy is on the job" bbolt

..r u sure it was roy..?...i heard old borer boy john hickton was seen in hartlepool asda this morning...they do look alike mind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY-fKcTjK1g

Hickton is coming in as goalscoring coach I was told….. and welder extraordinaire Alf Tupper has been touted as fitness supremo, I kid you not and the Wolf of Kabul has come as ‘Incentive Enforcer’.
Trying is the first step on the road to to failure.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

do think our first signing may be a very interesting one. could show the line we will be going down especially if its done early.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

I’m starting to dread what the signings will look like. Yes, I have no idea, but I don’t know what to expect. I still feel like we’ve got two people in charge of the team who won a competition to be manager for the day and no one’s dared tell them.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

snowy... "I still feel like we’ve got two people in charge of the team who won a competition to be manager for the day and no one’s dared tell them."

..dont worry.....at least they have brought in a geeky mate with a history of "massive" success at rotherham......and according to bonehead he is a hard worker too......"a great fit"... :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2zmi8l5yG8... from 03.20

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351138731378 ... PKiTeNqg42

"showing my ambition & skills by working my way up" :laugh:

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/chris-trotter-b30185157

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

[quote="poolie1"]snowy... "I still feel like we’ve got two people in charge of the team who won a competition to be manager for the day and no one’s dared tell them."

..dont worry..at least they have brought in a mate with a history of "massive" success at rotherham......and according to bonehead he is a hard worker too......"a great fit"... :laugh:

If you feel underpressure what would be your first move. Just bring your mates and friendly faces in around you in some sort of siege mentality.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

accrington..."If you feel underpressure what would be your first move. Just bring your mates and friendly faces in around you in some sort of siege mentality."

..yeah....friendly face?...think his face will well and truly fit around the place at the mo..tbh..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351138731378 ... PKiTeNqg42

.."a great fit"..

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... cruitment/

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

Another brick in the wall….. if the keystone moves on we’ll have no staff left, they’ll just form a huge column of his disciples heading for the A19.
I still don’t get how anyone can be in charge of player recruitment behind a screen.

TFP · **Joined:** Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:25 pm **Posts:** 152

Snowy wrote:

I still don’t get how anyone can be in charge of player recruitment behind a screen.

Data analysis can go a long way (Moneyball is well worth a read, even though it's a different sport). Fenway bought that forensic data analysis with them to Liverpool from the Boston Red Sox when they bought the club. Data science is at the heart of player recruitment and their tactics on the field. Their head of analysis was on the Christmas Lectures a couple of years ago. It's from about 28 minutes on here and is well worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q4DrUHKC0Q

Obviously, the problem is that you've got to be very good at data science to make it work (I've no idea whether our guy is or not) and a Premier League club (Liverpool in particular, but even a club like Brentford who use that approach too) will have vastly greater resources that we have. Plus bad analysis is often worse than no analysis at all.

I guess we'll know whether it's a good idea for Pools in about 6 months time...

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

When we’re clinging to the wreckage…….?

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

tfp..."I guess we'll know whether it's a good idea for Pools in about 6 months time.."

..look...if its boneheads idea..and hes boneheads mate..sorry i dont need the six months...a "great fit" geek boy heading up recruitment at pools?..straight out of Viz imo...billy thompson the first geek signing ? ..based on his incredible shots to goals saved ratios?....ffs..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8EvSZ5HQfI

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351138731378

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Thu May 05, 2022 7:36 am

Why do you persist in calling him bonehead?

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

ball.."Why do you persist in calling him bonehead?"

..because i can?..and the cap fits imo..why do persist in asking your bonehead type questions comrade ?..bored now your pervy labour mp has bit the dust?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31UGExc8_Rc

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19627

TFP wrote:

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Data analysis can go a long way (Moneyball is well worth a read, even though it's a different sport). Fenway bought that forensic data analysis with them to Liverpool from the Boston Red Sox when they bought the club. Data science is at the heart of player recruitment and their tactics on the field. Their head of analysis was on the Christmas Lectures a couple of years ago. It's from about 28 minutes on here and is well worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q4DrUHKC0Q

Obviously, the problem is that you've got to be very good at data science to make it work (I've no idea whether our guy is or not) and a Premier League club (Liverpool in particular, but even a club like Brentford who use that approach too) will have vastly greater resources that we have. Plus bad analysis is often worse than no analysis at all.

I guess we'll know whether it's a good idea for Pools in about 6 months time...

all this data alysis will only give you part of the picture of a player. its pools we are talking about and not the premier league. they,ll have their own jamboree of scouts to back this up and its another ball game in recruiting top players to a mid table div.2 side with at the best an average budget to work with. another case of mimiking the top but doing it on a lesser budget.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37382

Basically you can have someone like this if you have the money to splash, but only as part of a team, never as a stand alone did it all on the internet model. If you have scouts as well to assess the player you can get together to assess the prospective signings suitability, stats only give you part of the picture.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4434

Pre season will be the usual sign 2 players after a few weeks, fans will claim they are fantastic signings, though they will of played 10 games between them in the last 3 year's and probobly come from Halifax reserves.

Then be 4 weeks of quiet everyone is on holiday, then we will have the star signing from Boro under 23s that Boro fans rave about despite being 10th in their pecking order of midfielders, maybe some lad that can't get a game for a league 1 club and another couple of kids.

Basically nowt once again will be splashed on the first team, but we will have a data analyst and some guy signing players off fifa.

No faith in this club showing any signs of ambition yet.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

snowy...."stats only give you part of the picture."

..and the prof backs you up i think..

"the role of statistical analysis is secondary to the expert identification of the characteristics of optimal player performance. It is concluded that effective analytics in sport must always be coach-led."

https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/98808/3 ... 5B1%5D.pdf

.."always be coach led"...except at pools where the boneheads geek boy mate is the top man......

Stockport surprise.

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