….. if only they’d saw out the season in an acceptable, battling fashion and showed they really cared not just for the fans but their own credibility, but no, after Rotherham they truly were on the beach, so much so I’m surprised they didn’t come out of the tunnel with a li-lo under their arms reeking of sun block and wearing a bloody sombrero.
To have seen the season out with a whimper was embarassing and demoralising, when a more combative and determined attitude would have been a truly memorable achievement after the confusion of the early months and Challinor’s disruptive ‘departure’ .
Ending the season on an extended consistent display of can’t be bothered half arsed relegation standard displays is an indictment of a poor attitude amongst a team technically good but woefully low on character, aggression and also blatantly lacking in pride.
Even worse is a management team prepared to tolerate an extended display of this sort of lacklustre attitude of disrespect to the fans and a dumb attitude amongst a lot of people in football it’s all just about them.
To end a season in this manner begs the question why it was tolerated and not checked, because from what I can see it appears there was no glaringly apparent management unhappiness with the performances so is this acceptable?
People may well disagree, but I have my doubts about the management of the team and don’t think ‘Joe90’ banging away on the keyboard is gonna perform miracles either.
It could be an interesting summer, but not necessarily for the right reasons.

In their 4 games against the 2 relegated sides, Pools picked up only 4 points out of the possible 12. The players who are retained/recruited must be made to realise that is not good enough & they must show the same effort & commitment throughout the season, regardless of the opposition.
It's no use busting a gut to reach a Wembley Papa John's final if you end up being relegated from the EFL

They’re like a car owner who polishes his car for hours on end but fails to put any oil in the engine….. every part of a car, like commitment to every match, must be given attention.. and then you find it works on a regular basis.

Worse than that is where is the players personal pride in performance they put out. Is that too out of date now for the modern world. Think there will be many like me who only played for fun but it hurt when we got beat and you had a bad game yourself. Does it hurt our current squad and will they remember in 50 years any nightmare games they had. Might be wrong, but somehow i doubt it. If only we had some real dressing room and training ground bust ups where the ones that do care sort the others out big time.

Pools have had a long standing problem of not enough leaders on the pitch. The Roy Keane type who hate losing and would be looking for a scrap in the dressing room after a bad defeat. Nicky Featherstone and Gary Liddle are the closest the current side have got to players who command respect from the others around them. Having the likes of Byrne and Ferguson as captain in recent weeks has been a joke.

Pools have started some recent games (Rochdale, Swindon) like they mean business but fold as soon as the opposition ups its game and scores. Scunthorpe must have been really shite not to go on and win on Saturday after Crawford gifted them their goal.

2 weeks off in 2 seasons for some of them, numerous injuries meaning a cobbled together team, nothing to play for apart from the fans (which I agree should be enough), contract negotiations going on and a few of them playing with injuries.

I forgive them

I agree with your comment, I watched the highlights from Saturday albeit you can’t judge the whole game by them. We had some really decent shots on goal and on another day would have won. Featherstone showed some desire after scoring running to the goal retrieving the ball and running with it to the centre spot.

Also a lot of the games have been against teams chasing promotion in the last month or so. We’ve had Forest Green, Swindon, Northampton, Mansfield and Port Vale recently who would all be more up for it than us. It’s not good but it’s obvious they will have that extra effort needed at this stage. I’ve got no excuse for Scunthorpe and Rochdale like.

porter....’I've got no excuse for Scunthorpe and Rochdale like."

..and salford?....and bradford?....and orient? ...and why the hell should any other team be "more up for it than us"?..sounds like you have the same bonehead footballing philosophy as stanley unwin..tbh...oh i almost forgot...timi is the new rio ferdinand ?...fits in nicely

So what ? I’d like to see my team put 110% effort in, so much for ‘NEVER SAY DIE’ eh?
I don’t care what the other teams are playing for, that’s been the trouble at this club for most of it’s history, a happy to be also rans attitude. At the this stage of the season we should be preparing for next season and that means keeping up momentum on the pitch, to start next season as we finish this one..

Aw bless ‘em, my heart bleeds, life really is a bitch sometimes.

Never like defeats but can deal with em if the defeat is because the opposition has been better on the day by playing football and not because the difference is them having a better attitude. At the end of the day all we want to see is effort, and if its continued success you want you,d have swerved pools years ago or not bothered in the first place. We do not expect loads of 6 figure signings and championship football in 5 years but expect anyone who is lucky enough to wear a pools shirt to put a shift in for 90 minutes.

It’s natural though. Those players have promotion in their mind so they are playing for that and for the fans. We have players with nothing to play for except the fans and some will be thinking about not getting injured.
Poolie1, why can’t you discuss things without using childish names like Bonehead and the Geek? People have different opinions about football, you can give yours and others can give theirs. No need to get chewy about it.
I don’t think I’ll have said Timi was the new Rio. He has a similar style though and wins every challenge he goes in for. I’d have chosen him for player of the season.

I hear what you’re saying, but it’s their job and if I owned a business where my employees underperform because they’re demotivated, I’d motivate them with a P45.
They are there to do a job, to entertain the fans, to play football to the best of their ability, it’s not all about them.
I take exception to the remark …’ We have players who have nothing to play for except the fans…..’ Bleeding right they have, the fans who’ve travelled in numbers and spent money ‘supporting’ their team, so return the compliment and fight till the end and maybe you may be competing for something next season.

I totally agree about playing for the fans, Snowy but I meant that all teams have that as motivation but the 3 points mean more to some teams towards the end of the season when they have something at stake.

porter..."no need to get chewy about it"

..you mean no need to ridicule your opinions..sorry will continue to do so if deserving snowflake...and think you have been listening to too much bonehead management speak..understandable that our players are less up for it than the opposition because we have nowt to play for except the fans ?...oh ffs..are you a journo from the fail by any chance..?

at least bonehead agrees with you..

"its difficult.. i understand the mindset of fighting for something to get to achieve a points tally"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVn2tkxFOy4 from 04.09

.."mindset"...."difficult" ?....in my book if its fkin difficult for you and your mindset when you pull on that shirt.. theres the door ....so sorry i dont agree pal...call me "childish"..

..oh and... timi and rio? ..."wins every challenge he goes in for"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGewDJqebJY

This is where we differ, I expect them to maintain a competitive mindset till the last game of the season, you appear to have a more laissez-faire attitude and are willing to accommodate their behaviour.

Snowflake? For not wanting to read stupid insults on a football forum? Fair enough give an opinion that Lee isn’t good enough but to call him bonehead all the time makes you sound like a kid.
I expect them to maintain a competitive mindset but the other team will have that too but with extra incentive. It’s frustrating and I hate to see it but I can understand it. If we are still playing like this in August and September then I’ll be joining you with the ‘Lee Out’ bedsheets, not ‘Bonehead out’ though.
I’m hopeful that the 8 game unbeaten run was what we will get next season rather than the recent rubbish.

They are basically part time professional athletes.
20 hours a week maximus.
Imagine 80% of our fanbase know what proper work tiredness is.
UTP.

porter.."Fair enough give an opinion that Lee isn’t good enough but to call him bonehead all the time makes you sound like a kid."

..listen snowflake...thanks for your advice like..but this may surprise and upset you...i dont actually give two monkeys what you think tbh...bonehead.. bonehead.. bonehead...hows that?....and you have to read such stupidity ?...such a crying shame ...too "chewy" for you?...just luv it....and..."wins every challenge"?...


"Snowflake? For not wanting to read stupid insults on a football forum?" ...aaawwwwh didums......

Even if the players do not give a toss about the fans or the club as they want out then surely you would think they would be doing there upmost to impress anyone watching from another club or even if they have made a verbal signing already. Clubs can change their minds, move on to others who give a better impression of actually caring and have self motovation.

I dread to think what this squad will be like, when they have to play spennymoor and billingham town in July. Crikey they can't get motivated for league games.

you mean the 8 trialists - Bogle, Grey and Crawford... the way things are going (or should i say are about to go) !

No we learnt lessons from last season didn't we.? So it's not going to happen a year on with a far weaker team that would just be suicidal. Think we need to have faith in raj his penny pinching won't continue will it????

billyidol..."Crikey they can't get motivated for league games."

..look.. our bonehead manager says he "understands" why its so "difficult" for this group to get motivated..its to do with their "mindset"..they cant help it..how would you feel? ..ffs..only points.. the shirt...NSD ..and fans..and professional pride[whats that all about?] to play for..and of course the opposition are more up for it when they have something much more important to play for...and we dont...and just listen to the mail journo echoing bonehead speak...give the players a break..they are so so tired..need a rest..welcome to planet bonehead everyone...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVn2tkxFOy4 from 04.09

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/ ... de-3671324

ram..age.....no ...more like.... garb..age....?

I'd get it if the players were running on empty but as we let most of the play off team go it doesn't really wash with me. Total different forward line, molyneux couldn't hardly get a game under Challinor. No holohan Angol, Johnson now, liddle hardly playing.

billygoat.."molyneux couldn't hardly get a game"

..yeah...so so true...think you have hammered home this point before?...couldnt even get a game last year up front as a striker?...less games than fondo ?..please tell me why are we having to play him up there up front out of position this season?...because of raj and his "penny pinching"..eh ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PViS10JVTUw from 01.50

still get the feeling if the full house signs were up at the vic and it cost us more to get in the situation would be no different. raj was our saviour in the past but how long can we carry on being grateful for this and fans deserve some truthful answers of the financial situation and how it can move forward, stay as it is or go backwards.

accrington..."fans deserve some truthful answers of the financial situation and how it can move forward, stay as it is or go backwards."

...the truth?.....read on..

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There is indeed a clause that a proportion of unbudgeted revenue goes back to sage. I don't have the figure but I do know its a chunky percentage. Pools obviously get the league payments but a lump of the cup run money goes back to Blakeledge."

..you want answers..?....you want answers...?..think you just cant handle the truth pal...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk

so what are the answers for us all. keep rolling up happy clapping a season of struggle yet again watching sub standard weak players and kids or just walk away for good. you do not mind and can take cheap options on the pitch as long as you know thats our limit. At the moment i feel like a kid getting a poundshop birthday present when you have a good feeling your parents could have done much better.

I suspect till we get the monkey off our back that is our huge debt repayment we’ll be rowing against the tide, or failing that a Sugar Daddy turns up.
Anyone’s anger should directed at the clown who got us into this mess in the first place, might I suggest a statue of Coxless outside the Vic to throw things at when we get the urge.

snowy.."Anyone’s anger should directed at the clown who got us into this mess in the first place, might I suggest a statue of Coxless outside the Vic to throw things at when we get the urge."

..so true..but will make no difference to the "shirt n tie burglary" knuckle- draggers among us...

I wonder if some people would apply the ‘Alice in Wonderland’ accounting they apply to Pools to their own personal finances?

Kids…….Dad, we know you and mum have £X a month coming in so why not spend it on us and get us all things we want and make us happy and we’ll love you!

Mam & Dad…… Look kids it doesn’t work like that, we have bills to pay every month like the mortgage, electric, gas, food, petrol and lots of other things, so we enjoy what we have left to spend.

Kids…… NOT good enough, next door get all sorts of treats and stuff, you’re just greedy, tight liars.

Mam and Dad….. But their dad is an international hit man, I’m a plumber.

Kids……… We’ll can’t you fuck off and let Mam get married to an international hit man.

Mam and Dad……. Well go and find one then and let us know when you find one.

Kids…….We hate you holding us back, yer tight wads.

Raj and his penny pinching enabled us to get your 2 buddies as manager and assistant, I think we are seeing what happens when you try to do it on the cheap.

billysmart..."Raj and his penny pinching enabled us to get your 2 buddies as manager and assistant, I think we are seeing what happens when you try to do it on the cheap."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nYxcmPu2RE

..oh here we go..the same old same old...why not give it a rest eh?..it used to be funny but now you are just boring the pants off us all yet again pal..your penny pinching accusation is based on what?..from the horses mouth again so to speak?..nah...as always this is just your own usual brand of rehashed shite ...ever thought that money had nothing to do with it?..but maybe well meaning but idiotic advice from pally raj's old borer mate did ?..look please please stop this...im begging you...l've admitted i was well wrong about my 2 boneheaded buddies...so have a heart ...pleeeeeze...i cant take much more..?

Bit like calling the manager bonehead all the time, fair enough give him stick if warranted but crikey name calling all the time? Is it really called for?

Think lee has enough going on is his life without name calling the poor bugger as well.

billy..."Think lee has enough going on is his life without name calling the poor bugger as well."

..shameful...you really should not be using the issue you have raised in the way you have on here..wrong just plain wrong..shows you for what you are tbh...ill say no more ..

No it's not wrong it's just showing a bit of respect for the guy.

Given the circumstances, maybe management at this level was a far more demanding and strenuous role than his previous more ordered regime he left to come here.

do think the true boneheads are those who come out on the pitch and are attempting to finish their careers early. apart from the odd player would you sign any of them if you were manager of a league club.