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 Post subject: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:11 am 
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We are safe plus two good cup runs and increased crowds plus better sponsorship deals so happy days. It is much better than we dared hope for pre season. Now lets get serious over the planning and recruitment for next season and use some of the extra revenues.
Relegation Scunthorpe are down and my prediction to go as well is Barrow as they have to play Forest Green, Sutton, and Northamton at home and Salford, Exeter and Swindon away, so where are the points for safety coming from? If they do go down will be very hard for them to come back from.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:35 am 
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How do you know we are not already seriously planning for next season?


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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jon....."How do you know we are not already seriously planning for next season?"

...exactly...its ongoing....the spike has tied down crawfs....surprisingly nice.....but also given the heads up on crock boy ...a sick joke ...more news on new deals imminent.... but all the really bad news on exits obviously wont be announced until the fat lady sings after the last game of the season.....it may all depend on whether the sterry sale has already been agreed.....


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:29 pm 
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jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen. We need to flash the cash and get in several players capable of a sustained promotion push.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:33 pm 
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Essex poolie wrote:
jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen. We need to flash the cash and get in several players capable of a sustained promotion push.


I would like Sterry to stay but if we got a bagful of money for him then that could be acceptable.

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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:48 pm 
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derwent wrote:
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jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen. We need to flash the cash and get in several players capable of a sustained promotion push.


I would like Sterry to stay but if we got a bagful of money for him then that could be acceptable.


I think Sterry can leave on a free likewise 12 others at the club.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:41 pm 
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Essex poolie wrote:
jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen..

No it wouldn’t. We’ve lost plenty of excellent players down the years, that’s how football works, unfortunate no doubt but certainly not a disaster.

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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:49 pm 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Essex poolie wrote:
jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen. We need to flash the cash and get in several players capable of a sustained promotion push.


I would like Sterry to stay but if we got a bagful of money for him then that could be acceptable.


I think Sterry can leave on a free likewise 12 others at the club.


Someone on here said he had another year on his contract.

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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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Does anyone know if Scunthorpe or Barrow have any decent players we could go after? Northern clubs so wouldn’t be too difficult to get them to sign for us.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:56 pm 
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derwent...."Someone on here said he had another year on his contract."

https://www.geordiebootboys.com/news/fo ... artlepool/

..common knowledge...


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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porter..."Does anyone know if Scunthorpe or Barrow have any decent players we could go after? Northern clubs so wouldn’t be too difficult to get them to sign for us."

...errr.....barrow have luke james available in the summer.......hes a mo salah type of striker.... bbolt


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:46 pm 
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Whilst I do not want to see Sterrie or Ferguson go I always feel that decent full backs are easier to pick up than other positions. Let’s remember this season we have had Ogle, Angol and Hendrie on the bench. However strikers are like gold and you have to pay big fees or wages. Just look at Stockport and Wrexham they paid out £300K for what are basically 1/2Div. players.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:49 pm 
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derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Essex poolie wrote:
jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen. We need to flash the cash and get in several players capable of a sustained promotion push.


I would like Sterry to stay but if we got a bagful of money for him then that could be acceptable.


I think Sterry can leave on a free likewise 12 others at the club.


Someone on here said he had another year on his contract.


Yes, Sterry has another year to go on his contract so he wont walking away. If he goes, a nice pile of dosh comes to the Suits You stadium.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:56 pm 
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Snowy wrote:
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jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen..

No it wouldn’t. We’ve lost plenty of excellent players down the years, that’s how football works, unfortunate no doubt but certainly not a disaster.


Yes that has been our historical weak point. Other clubs are not being so short sighted.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:58 pm 
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Pooly_Imp wrote:
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Essex poolie wrote:
jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen..

No it wouldn’t. We’ve lost plenty of excellent players down the years, that’s how football works, unfortunate no doubt but certainly not a disaster.


Yes that has been our historical weak point. Other clubs are not being so short sighted.


The fact of the matter is that, apart from a few seasons, we have graced the bottom tier of the football league. Players who are progressive have wanted to go to bigger clubs and/or higher leagues to further their careers and that will always happen, unless we get a sugar daddy who can get us to the championship and able to compete there. Even then players will still want to bigger clubs.
Other than this sugar daddy I'm not quite sure what we can do about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:30 pm 
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derwent wrote:
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jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen..

No it wouldn’t. We’ve lost plenty of excellent players down the years, that’s how football works, unfortunate no doubt but certainly not a disaster.


Yes that has been our historical weak point. Other clubs are not being so short sighted.


The fact of the matter is that, apart from a few seasons, we have graced the bottom tier of the football league. Players who are progressive have wanted to go to bigger clubs and/or higher leagues to further their careers and that will always happen, unless we get a sugar daddy who can get us to the championship and able to compete there. Even then players will still want to bigger clubs.
Other than this sugar daddy I'm not quite sure what we can do about it.


You are quite right but that is not the issue. The issue is them leaving for nothing. Its ok being a selling club on a limited budget as you can achieve a degree of success sustained by the regular windfalls. I hope that the right management is put in place so that these kind of situations don't happen again and a bit of financial speculation to get valuable players nailed down to contracts. It could end up being repaid many times over and set the club up for years to come.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:14 pm 
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Pooly_Imp wrote:
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Essex poolie wrote:
jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen..

No it wouldn’t. We’ve lost plenty of excellent players down the years, that’s how football works, unfortunate no doubt but certainly not a disaster.


Yes that has been our historical weak point. Other clubs are not being so short sighted.

Behave man, you talk as though every other club in the division is smoothly signing up players effortlessly (even storing them in lock ups), as our management are playing the arcades down Seaton, skateboarding and stopping occasionally scratching their collective heads at something they had to do sctatchinghead ....
Pleeeeeeeeease explain to me how you know that we appear to be the only gormless team who is doing sweet FA while the others are beavering away, who informed you of this....?

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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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snowy..."Pleeeeeeeeease explain to me how you know that we appear to be the only gormless team who is doing sweet FA while the others are beavering away, who informed you of this....?"

as i think you know ....wasting your time with these two characters i'm afraid....mr toxic undercurrent..and mr rose tinted spectacles..jokers... :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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It’s a recurring theme, which if true, should qualify us for the award of most gormless group to ever run a football club and qualify us to receive the ‘DOH my brain hurts’ Trophy.

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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:24 pm 
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Snowy wrote:
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Snowy wrote:
Essex poolie wrote:
jon: do you know we are not seriously planning for next season
Not if previous seasons after many promises by various chairmen are anything to go by. If both Sterry and Ferguson were to leave it would in my mind be a disaster waiting to happen..

No it wouldn’t. We’ve lost plenty of excellent players down the years, that’s how football works, unfortunate no doubt but certainly not a disaster.


Yes that has been our historical weak point. Other clubs are not being so short sighted.

Behave man, you talk as though every other club in the division is smoothly signing up players effortlessly (even storing them in lock ups), as our management are playing the arcades down Seaton, skateboarding and stopping occasionally scratching their collective heads at something they had to do sctatchinghead ....
Pleeeeeeeeease explain to me how you know that we appear to be the only gormless team who is doing sweet FA while the others are beavering away, who informed you of this....?


Snowy, not this again. Nobody can comment unless they've got sworn confessions and a full audit trail of evidence complete with witness statements. For heavens sake Sir.

You know that clubs are making a good living selling players to bigger/wealthier clubs. They've managed to not let their contract situation lapse so badly that their players leave for free. Its not every club, I didnt say that. Raj knows how to carefully turn pennies into pounds. He needs to do that with our club and its players.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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imp...."The issue is them leaving for nothing...... I hope that the right management is put in place so that these kind of situations don't happen again and a bit of financial speculation to get valuable players nailed down to contracts"

...mr gumby....why havent these players been nailed down ?.....i dont care if your brain hurts...we must do better in future....this must not happen again...comedy gold...pools win the "doh my brain hurts trophy"....yet again....:laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_AOfzrQYV0


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:12 pm 
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Snowy, not this again. Nobody can comment unless they've got sworn confessions and a full audit trail of evidence complete with witness statements. For heavens sake Sir.

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Right, let’s get this straight, WHO is stopping anybody commenting, no one!
If anyone can have a whinge about it it’s me, because every time I ask an awkward question I’m accused of stifling debate by asking for proof of these scenarios that pop up.
When allegations like this arise I really do like to know the ‘story’ behind them because they really are so blatantly improbable. I think you’ll find that most people do like some facts to back up assertions.
Do you know Pools intentions for new signings and next season, I haven’t got a clue, but..... sctatchinghead
I might have passed it by if you hadn’t written as though we were run by the Gumby’s and every other club in the division were off and running while we were still looking for our trainers under the bed.
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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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What on Earth are you going on about Snowy? Allegations? Stories?

The club has a shit load of players out of contract. People have been talking about it. With me so far?

It was said that it was normal to lose players to wealthier/higher division clubs. I accepted this but said it wasn't wise or normal to let them go for nowt and carefully ran clubs needed to get transfer fees. Still with me?

Also I said hope the club get something in place to sort this contract stuff out. Graeme Lee said this himself in the media.

Now can we call endex on Operation Kneejerk?


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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It not easy dishing out longer contracts when you in non league n then the EFL the next season.
Players n Clubs have to keep their options open especially when agents are bending players minds to get their commission.
Ye we in a bit of a conundrum at the end of this season but surely Pools are in a decent financial position now to try and secure our better players on longer contracts 2/3 years.
Still struggling to see how Carver was given a 2.5 year contract. sctatchinghead


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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Still struggling to see how Carver was given a 2.5 year contract. sctatchinghead

thats the gamble with either short or long contracts. guve a good player a short one and there is a good chance he,ll move on. give a long one to a poor one and the club is stuck with this player who can refuse even a loan spell away if he wishes. for all clubs like pools its like a game of roulette. sign players you may rate but do not come off. fans getting excited about a certain signing who ends up crap or the surprise package that no fan wanted who,ll become a hero. we will only see next august if the recruitment has been good or not. any player who does leave us will not be a guarenteed starter with his new club or as effective or popular either. in recent seasons we have had ex scottish prem defender, laing who was a definition of a crap player then johnson from non league. which did we expect to be the best and who turned out to be.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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What on Earth are you going on about Snowy? Allegations? Stories?
Whoa, you raised the subject in a clumsy way by virtually stating every other club was doing it right and we needed to to get our act together.

The club has a shit load of players out of contract. People have been talking about it. With me so far?
So people have been talking about it, basically gossiping about what if’s, quite normal but that’s all it is nothing of substance, just reinforcing your own world vision but nothing to back it up.

It was said that it was normal to lose players to wealthier/higher division clubs. I accepted this but said it wasn't wise or normal to let them go for nowt and carefully ran clubs needed to get transfer fees. Still with me?
Stating the bleeding obvious there.

Also I said hope the club get something in place to sort this contract stuff out. Graeme Lee said this himself in the media.
What’s to say he isn’t.

Now can we call endex on Operation Kneejerk?
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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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I think we all hoped contracts would be sorted out in plenty of time, you don't need to know much about football to know who our best players are and who we needed to get tied down on longer contracts. It appears though for one reason or another our best players will leave once again. Eventually we might ask the question how has this happened two years in a row, yet Sutton a club not even a third of our potential seem to have no problems or will that change for them this year?.


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I think we all hoped contracts would be sorted out in plenty of time, you don't need to know much about football to know who our best players are and who we needed to get tied down on longer contracts. It appears though for one reason or another our best players will leave once again. Eventually we might ask the question how has this happened two years in a row, yet Sutton a club not even a third of our potential seem to have no problems or will that change for them this year?.


I think it is fairly obvious that the manager is trying to tie his best players down, as well as line up new ones but there is an obvious connection between the two, in that, until he is sure about the former, he can't really concentrate on the latter without the knowledge of where he has to strengthen and where he has to replace. This also brings in the inter connection in relation to who he lets go.
On top of all that he knows that agents will be touting his best players all over the market place, whilst advising them to hang fire and see what develops. We have to remember that the scourge that is agents only have two big paydays in the year and they will be working furiously to maximise those paydays.
It is all easier said than done.
Then there is the small task of the manager having to persuade the guy in charge of the pay strings that his recommendations meet with the nod of approval.
I'm sure there are other factors but I've covered enough I think.

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the worst thing that could happen could be contract talks with players the club wants to keep is allowed to go on till nearly the end of the transfer window when they eventually leave and give the club little or no chance to get a decent replacement. Be like the start of this season all over again. no player is irreplaceable at our level and good offers should be made for the wanted lads to remain, but a time limit should be put on them to sign or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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the worst thing that could happen could be contract talks with players the club wants to keep is allowed to go on till nearly the end of the transfer window when they eventually leave and give the club little or no chance to get a decent replacement. Be like the start of this season all over again. no player is irreplaceable at our level and good offers should be made for the wanted lads to remain, but a time limit should be put on them to sign or not.


Completely agree.

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Derwent/Accrington - at last some realistic views.


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