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The club will probably lose a hell of a lot of money, because the nwc has probably pulled in an extra 500 a game due to the atmosphere alone. They have fans offering the services to fix the nwc problem, but once again it falls on deaf ears. It's taken two years to get a bit of paperwork signed about the ground, so god knows how long before they sort this out.

Why a transfer to the terrace, do you get a refund?
Why not let the people who have a season ticket continue using the NWC and police who uses it.
It can’t go on like it is sadly.

There is no price difference between seats and standing but I think if you close somebody's seat down, surely you should offer them another seat, or a refund.
You can't just tell someone who has bought a seated season ticket with a specified seat number on it that they have to stand on the terrace.
There shouldn't be a direct access from the Mill House Terrace into the Mill house seated area.

The NWC are right to call the club's 'offer' insulting. HUFC need to think again very rapidly and come up with a solution that addresses legitimate safety concerns without penalising some of our most passionate fans. It's not just the threatened loss of income and paying customers - the loss of atmosphere could have a direct impact on what happens on the pitch.

Who are the "certain officials" who have come up with this second class solution? May as well name them to avoid unhelpful speculation.

Carl Broughton allegedly

Atmosphere flat as tonight. If Dale had ran away with that and the frustration grown… uh ohhhhh

Come on Raj this needs sorting asap what's so difficult about it, doesn't losing money and the atmosphere bother you, cos it does me!

New covid regs from next week for football ground entry.
Vaccine proof passports?

I think they’ve brought something extra. But don’t give ultimatums as if you are the working class heroes. What do you think the rest of the crowd are? You can’t stand with us? Mmm

Proof of a negative test or
Proof of 2 jabs after the Scunny game.
A bit of a nightmare for one jabbed fans.
Fraud passes on the way or will fans just say fcuk that.

Harrogate should be OK.

[quote="Flying Hogans"]The NWC are right to call the club's 'offer' insulting. HUFC need to think again very rapidly and come up with a solution that addresses legitimate safety concerns without penalising some of our most passionate fans. It's not just the threatened loss of income and paying customers - the loss of atmosphere could have a direct impact on what happens on the pitch.

any NWC season ticket holders should be able to claim half the money spent on their ticket just for the inconveniance. At this time of year it would be a good PR exercise from the club that would hardly bankrupt them. the NWC is one of the best things at the vic with the atmosphere created and surely the club does not want to lose em.

our club should be bending over backwards to accommodate the NWC.....wasnt at last nights game but watched it live streamed.....with the NWC "non operational" for the first time .....have to say.... the atmosphere sounded flat.... to say the least...

Both the club and the fans have to get realistic about this situation. The club need the support of the fans who congregate in the NWC, both from a financial point of view and and the twelfth man effect that it brings.
The club has to find a way of accommodating them and the fans have to accept that health and safety rules have to be applied. In a seating area one bum per seat has to be observed. Nobody without a ticket for block F should be allowed into that block or should attempt to go into that block. The club have to find a way of making that happen and the fans will have to accept that.
If that is not acceptable to the fans then an alternative is the next step.
The obvious answer is the Mill House Terrace or the Town End, where the fans can stand legitimately, as against standing in a seated area.
Then there's the Rink End with or without seats. If we were allowed to take the seats out we could accommodate more people, if not there would be around 1000 or so seated in there.
Both parties have to sit down with Health and Safety representatives/Police/ Fire present with a blank sheet of paper and hammer the problem out.
Until both sides can reach agreement within the rules that apply to Stadia, then the situation will just get worse and that will be a crying shame.
A bit of Realism and genuine commitment has to be the order of the day.
Block F has to be made safe by the club and only people who genuinely want to SIT there should buy tickets for there and the fans have to obey the Stadium rules and regulations.
This Mexican stand off will get us nowhere.

The Politics behind said scenarios regarding the club actually doing anything that may either cost them time or money wont happen !

they have outlined that in the open letter made available via the NWC social media entities.

its a crying shame its come to this - im hoping the COO can turn Raj's hand to make something happen or maybe it was him that shut the NWC requests down. Who knows, but its not the time to be loosing gate money and fans. The clubs been through enough lately.

NWC should just change their arrangements as to where they go in the ground - simple as that. Take over the town end. Its been dead for years now. the odd rumble and chant still echos out now and again but i dont see why they cant just congregate there.(not taking anything away from that area when we score as its a good place to see the game).

if not make the NWC standing and remove the seats - add rails and correct barriers - problem solved

The whole point of the fans congregating in the seated area is to great an atmosphere, the town end you can't here the acoustics are garbage, likewise the millhouse terrace, at the end of the day the club doesn't appear to want to spend money on making it safe, what's be banded about 10 grand? They will probably lose that in a month if it's not sorted.

Maybe when we sell hologhan to Stockport, they may do something, though I won't hold my breath.

The other problem is not checking tickets by substandard stewards if they are letting too many people in, then they aren't doing their jobs.

When I first started watching Pools there was no such thing as the NWC and in the Rink End the singing and atmosphere was belting. But times change and we need a drum etc these days to get things going. Whatever the situation someone at Pools needs to take this seriously as a flat home atmosphere will lead to a degradation of home form I have no doubt.

The atmosphere at Pools this season must of been worth 5 or 6 points already, the club should not disregard this.

Yes the NWC fans do a terrific job in creating atmosphere but the powers that be deem that by overcrowding the area they are putting safety certificates in jeopardy.
The fans that use Block F without a Block F ticket know they are in the wrong and they have to take that responsibility.
The problem is exasperated by fans showing a genuine Mill House seat ticket but once they're in the stand they sit anywhere and the stewards get dogs abuse if they start insisting that people sit in their allocated seat.
People can't just choose to disobey the rules and create situations as and when they like.
What about the genuine Block F ticket holders?? Don't they count?? They are forced to go elsewhere because people are crawling all over them and now they are being moved to the terraces through no fault of their own. A person who buys a season ticket for a particular seat is entitled to sit in it.

The authorities will never ever allow any football club to put 200 fans in a seating area containing 100 seats or whatever numbers people want to play with.
They just won't and the argument for that is a non starter.
We have to find a suitable alternative.
The Club and the fans have a shared responsibility to solve this.

i think the young lads behind NWC have been a formidable operation......connecting with local young people through use of social media.....you only have to look at the composition of the NWC on a match day......never seen anything like it tbh....and i was listening to a poolie who is a teacher in hartlepool on radio tees the other night..... and she was confirming how loads of her kids have been following the NWC stuff through their phones....NWC have generated atmosphere.... and income for the club both now and in the future....all funded out of their own pockets and through donations......and this is the thanks they get ????... just not good enough hufc....

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This Carl Broughton, better known as "Covid Carl", is also an ex copper. Young lads having a good time...go figure.

Keith Lard comes to mind.

But they don't mind telling them to go into a rammed terrace below them? Which has sold out two of the last 3 games.

Indeed Billinghampoolie, the terrace below at times seems more congested than the seating area above. I had to watch from the causeway between the two during the Northampton game as I couldn't go back to where I was standing.

Surely the rinkend could at least be partially used when teams like Forest Green and Rochdale come? Realistically in this league only Carlisle will ever fill it.

Summed up perfectly, since when have we ever had crowds of nearly 6000 for the visit of Forrest Green, Newport and Harrogate 3 more unattractive fixtures we would struggle to find a lot of this is down to the nwc. Spend 10 grand on the ground get stewards to stop extra people going in, it's not bloody hard to sort out.

Only at games with attendances over 10,000.

End of the day, if the club don’t take some action a certain outside body will and they don’t give a monkey’s toss about the atmosphere, just cold regulations. You won’t find them quite so obliging.

It's always easy to do other people's jobs. The club will welcome volunteers to help steward the place. Why don't you give it a go and you'll find out how easy it is to make them occupy the correct seat in F6.
As for the terrace being rammed, which way do you want it. You are complaining about a crowded terrace but advocating double occupancy of F6.
What would you say if you went into a cinema that has an auditorium of 500 seats only to find the management had allowed 1000 in.
I understand your frustration Mr Billy but you are asking for something you can't have and the club can't give you.
If Pools continue to allow overcrowding they could end up playing behind closed doors.

If you don't have a valid ticket for the seats you don't get in. I don't get why it's so difficult to stop. I can't get in the cinema without getting a valid ticket so how are we letting 200 in 100 seats? The stewards were just letting anyone in even with terrace tickets.Then turning a blind eye to overcrowding on the terrace, the Carlisle game you literally couldn't move. The club have had offers of help for free, yet have not even bothered to reply. So what's the point offering assistance if they can't even be arsed to reply to people willing to give up their time to help out.

I agree with your point the stewarding could be better but the point I'm trying to get across is that if the stewards do their job properly and the fans obey the rules that won't resurrect the atmosphere that we are all agreed has had an amazing impact. F6 won't be any different to any other block. Of course they can create a bit of racket but not to the extent they have been doing. If we reach the point which you suggest that will solve the overcrowding problem in f6 but at the expense of the loss of atmosphere, which none of us want. That is why I say the club and fans have to thrash out an area where several hundreds of chanters etc can congregate to create the same atmosphere as before but in a manner that can't be criticised as potentially dangerous. We do it at away grounds without any criticism and we get told where to go in those grounds. All the reaction we get is extremely complimentary wherever we go, so we have to start somewhere so start there. Where in the ground can we accommodate all these youngsters together so they can do their thing. We just can't do it in F6 because it's not big enough to hold all those who want to be there.
When we start refurbishing the ground we can sit down with all interested parties and hammer out a special area. Until then we have to create a temporary one as it were.

They could go in the rink end, it's already divided off, you go to Man city away fans are right next to you, so why we can't have two blocks in their and use the rest of the millhouse will solve all the problems.

As for redevelopment it's taken two years to sign a bit of paper, I reckon in 10 years time we might still be talking about it.

I'd rather we had all of the rink end but that's just opinion. If we could fill in the corner and somehow link the rink end with the mill house that would be better, then we would have a real NWC. Give away fans blocks A and B in the mill house. and the relevant standing area in front of those blocks, but have it so we could reduce away capacity as necessary with a moving barrier.
I would like to see our fans behind both goals.
These are things that need discussing.
I never have any faith in councils delivering, whatever it is.

I suspect dividing the rink end is probably more to do with not having enough stewarding and / or a proper divide between the two. There would also need to be a change in the ticketing and since they want volunteers to rock up i suspect this change of ticketing system would need someone else to sort out, someome who probably isn't employed by the club.
Whatever the problem it needs fixing as the NWC are responsible for attracting a lot of young fans to the club which is what it needs!!

Better this than dead bodies.

Unseated outdoor venues with more than 4000 people. The Vic could be excempt then.
Roughly
Seating 4100
Terraces 3700.
Anyhow hopefully no fan problems for our league One fixtures in the Refurbished Vic.
Project 25 still on!?
UTP.

I stil think people are missing the point here. The ‘atmosphere’ may be grandy and dandy but the excessive numbers unrestrained in a seated area are shark bait to H&S.
The club have no choice but to act, because at the end of the day they will be liable for any failure in that part of the ground and they’ll pay the price, but we all will ultimately, because at present it’s just a chaotic free for all with a drum and free range chaos.

Not forgetting that a seating area isn't designed for hundreds of people to jump up and down. That will have a gradual weakening effect on fifty year old concrete.

loads of good points here and where do i start. one of the problems is fa ground regulations for a start. one thing pools cannot do is to remove any seats in any paet of the ground unless the same number of seats are made available somewhere else. the only option would be to put seats in the town end if they are removed from the mill house. this sitting in the wrong place isn,t just a pools problem either as all clubs seem to have this problem. the easy way round this is that seats purchased by season ticket holders have a current sticker on them and all other seating tickets made unreserved and first come get the best available. this works two ways in getting fans in early and stops the last minute rush unless you do not mind a crap view. as for ground improvements at the vic i,ll believe it when i see the bulldozers in. as for the NWC itself i wonder how many have rolled up this season because of the improved atmosphere at the vic post ground closure. this 12th man thing may or maynot be overated but without it my so called match experiance will be lessened.

It's still the new stand to me...

"at present it’s just a chaotic free for all with a drum and free range chaos"..........old gits .......always the same............

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pedAc8rQimw

[quote="poolie1"]"at present it’s just a chaotic free for all with a drum and free range chaos"..........old gits .......always the same............

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Nothing changes Mr P

Somebody has to take the responsibility for the behaviour of the young gits and, as usual, it's the old gits.
That's usually the reason why most of the young gits become old gits but by the time they do the old gits before them have passed away so they are unable to thank those old gits and apologise for doubting their wisdom.
The circle of life eh.

The club and NWC met today and the club have issued a statement, which is on the official site now.

How did a huge concrete corner covered in seats get into the meeting...we should be told

That's the magic of Christmas.

I don't know but I hope they can keep it as a huge concrete corner and prevent it fracturing into multiple bits.