"I stand by my original title statements which came from within the club but refuse to divulge any names of contacts and just want a clearer dialogue between RS the club and its supporters. A very good posting by Rinkender and agree with most points raised".

yeah..... right.....you are full of it pal and it dont smell nice

would like to know why stuff like that was not posted whilst DC was still with us. the points are no more relevant now than they were then. instead of all sticking together the cracks are appearing between fans yet again. furst excuse and here we go again.

some clubs have more money than others. its always been like that and it always will be. was getting a bit worried by all this till i looked at the league table to see that pools are in the same position as they were under DC and not have suffered a points deduction. the only difference in our next league game will be another face in charge of the side from last saturday. hardly a new revolution in football as we know it.

For most of my time supporting Pools there’s been no money. No big deal. We were there when they were needing us, not feeding us.
However, I do suspect ‘Generation IOR’ that particular group who came on board in the success years, never experienced the ‘wilderness years’ before it.
I know of one individual at work who loved to have a dig at me for going to Pools...then IOR arrived and he came on board with a flourish and dived in the deep end becoming a True Poolie....whatever.
I suspect that extended experience has made them a bit more demanding as to what standard they expect.
People harp on about other clubs around us are spending loads more than us and if that scenario were true we’d be in a relegation spot for paying the players in acorns.
Fact is it’s not how much you spend, it’s how you spend what you’ve got, Challinor seemed to manage

from the mail 29/4/19

"In an exclusive interview with the Mail earlier this month, club president Jeff Stelling revealed the debt Pools owe Raj Singh - and the former owner.

“People will not know this but the former owner John Blackledge played a massive part in saving Hartlepool United,” said Stelling

“The deal was 48 hours from collapse. Had he not agreed to get money back further down the line, we would not have been able to take the club off his hands.

“If he’d asked for his £1.7million there and then, the deal would have been off. But thankfully, at the 11th hour, he agreed to our proposal and we could get the deal done.

“Without Raj Singh and his money, 90% plus of which is his, there would be no football club.”

wonder where we are with our pay back instalments on the 1.7 million to blackledge??

The 1.7m is split over 12 seasons - by my maths this is the fourth season

so sounds like we wont have paid off the 1.7 blackledge debt until around 2031 ?.....some millstone around the clubs neck for sure ....suspect i wont be around to see it gone !!!

If Singh had any sense he should have used your promotion windfall and incoming transfer fees to get that debt down.
Wouldnt surprise me if he used the windfalls to reduce the debt to himself first though.

loan star..you have some front coming on here talking about our chairman having no sense !!!

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/video/72731/

Well you would think that wouldn't you.

A prudent chairman would reduce the debt with the biggest interest attached to it, assuming that both debts are interest bearing and also assuming that debt reduction was his first priority.
Or he could re invest any windfall into strengthening the team, in the hope that would generate even bigger windfalls. That test will be answered in January, one way or the other.
Personally I just let him get on with it because, at the moment, he is all we've got and he hasn't done badly considering where we are compared with where we were when he took over.
I appreciate Darlo had a bad experience with the man but like I told you when you first started "warning" us, I'll wait and see. So far I'm happy with what I've seen.

maybe essex poolie the original creator of this thread would like to put his allegations direct to the man himself..if he has the balls.... which i very much doubt

https://twitter.com/Official_HUFC/statu ... gr%5Etweet

Thank you Rinkender for a well written and sensible contribution.
In a perfect world DC would have seen out his three year contract and taken Pools to the verge of the Championship but he has made the decision to return to his roots and look after his family financially. Had we been demoted last season, the fact that he had family responsibilities would not have come into the decision to dispense with his services!

Early in my working life I was talked out of leaving a job and wasted twelve months before leaving to do exactly what I had formally intended. Subsequently a wise colleague said "if you want to know what an individual's leaving means to an organisation, push your hand into a bucket of water, pull it out and watch what happens. At first there are ripples but eventually everything is calm as it was before" and so it will be at our club.

‘Why was Armstrong not signed despite being a free transfer’...he wasn’t signed because he was Salford’s player and they reached a deal with moneybags Harrogate long before the end of the season alerted by his form here. They have greater financial backing than us, simple as that.
As for the rest of your questions, why weren’t you asking most of them before DC’s sudden departure......?
Why should RS be accountable to you, are you about to make a massive investment in the club or did you just feel the urge to add to the confusion?

Newcastle Cass's parent club issued a statement saying they wanted him to go elsewhere to broaden his experiences, Hardly Pools fault they felt it better for him to go elsewhere
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big dave has put out a statement.... a few hours after of the planned fans Q+A with raj being announced...no coincidence i'm sure ...statement sounds as if it could have been written by his missus

https://twitter.com/BBCTeesSport/status ... 34/photo/1

Looks to me like he’s decided to soft soap the supporters. The second and fifth paragraph don’t need much reading between the lines to get his message over.
In the second paragraph he writes....
’Hopefully in time, the truth and real facts will come out that may help you understand more why I made the decision.’

‘Hopefully’? Why hopefully Dave?, just tell us now, why can’t the ‘real facts’ and ‘ truth’ come out, and speak for themselves why do we have to wait?
I haven’t got time for glorified pity party’s, Just go, you‘ve got what you wanted, leave us to get on with sorting out our club.

Just maybe there is a health issue with DC or his family that needs him to be closer to home - just guessing here, I have not heard of anything nor have I any inside information. My guess is that Hangus going was the last straw.

The truth and real facts? Fact: he signed a 3 year contract. Fact: after 30 odd days he broke the contract, probably trebling or quadrupling his wages. But apparently there is some big secret about why he left, rather than the bloody obvious.

If there was something or someone he didn't like about the club, he signed the contract knowing that beforehand.

So thanks for what you did for us Dave, now fuck off, shut up, and enjoy your trips to Wealdstone and Weymouth.

Particularly enjoyed the final line...

Yup, no doubt Mr GG has put it beautifully.

Cheers thank you and watch your arse on the step on the way out Dave.

"The connection i had with you was special,
and i can understand the disappointment you are currently feeling,
i hope that in time you can recognise,
and reflect positively,
on the special experiences and success we shared"

Dave ..for gods sake ..youre a grown man..please tell me you didnt write this stuff..its stopping me sleeping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HUim7UxB00

Read the Sam Byrne tweet.
That the infrastructure at Stockport is a lot better than Pools.
They have a fulltime Kitman n Chef and i DC only have to concentrate on managing the team at Stockport. Unlike at Pools.

Er football wise DC has gone backwards which could result in less wages over a longer period of time.
Could maybe a non league manager forever.
Or could become an actor on a new series of BREAD or BOYS FROM THE BLACKSTUFF.

It reads like a cheap ‘Dear Sharon card’ from some Jack the Lad....dropping her sharpish on finding out she’s pregnant.
Available from ‘Land Fill Cards Ltd’ under the ‘Breaking it Gently and Bullshit’ section.

He wanted more money - didn't get it from Raj
He wanted an enormous/unlimited transfer budget - didn't get it from Raj
That's what went on behind the scenes.
He fucked off to stockport where he'll find it very difficult to bankrupt their club but good luck trying.

Nah I just think he wanted what any normal League 2 side call their bread and butter. But hey, some of us qickly forget the wilderness years. Let's have it run like we're back in the 80s.

You talk as though poor old Dave was working in some Victorian Mill with Raj as some evil Mill owner paying him in bags of horse shit.
Please explain to me how YOU appear to have full knowledge of the clubs finances to be able make your statement?
Dave’s gone, dry your pillow and move on.

does any of it matter now. like hundreds before him dave challinor is an ex manager of pools now and lets just look to the future.

Dear Poolie [John],

You came into my life and made it worth living. You put a smile on my face at a time in my life when all I could see was darkness. For the past two years, you have become my friend and confidant – you have treated me like the king you saw me to be. You have given me a confidence I never thought I would have.

For the reasons above, I find it very difficult to do this and more so, to do this using a letter. I have never been good at expressing my feelings in person, so the easiest way to do this without causing any more hurt is to write this letter. I wouldn’t wish to have to look at your face once you read this; you know it has never been my wish to damage you in any way whatsoever.

At the start of our journey, you and I were beautiful and strong. You did things for me that no one ever has. All the numerous and spontaneous surprises kept it interesting and lively. However, all this was a mask for the fundamental flaws that lay deep in our relationship. The past 6 weeks have been a testament to this fact.

I now realise you and I are two completely different people now. We are fundamentally incompatible. We share contradicting and opposite opinions on most matters. Our beliefs in most values are different too especially with regard to respect, trust,honesty, loyalty etc and the things that really matter like greed and money. We are incompatible and I do not believe this is working.

I know it will hurt knowing the past two years have gone to waste. But kindly try to look at this from a positive perspective. I believe it is best to end this on a positive note and save ourselves from a lifetime of arguments, fights and misery. This does not mean that I do not care about you. As a matter of fact, I really care about you and love you. But I love you as a friend, and I believe that’s what we should have been – friends.

It is with great thought and consideration of the future that I have arrived at this decision. I know that you might wonder if I have any doubts about this decision. In all honesty, I am certain about this and I believe we should accept this as adults and begin the divorce process. It is my deepest wish that we complete it in the most amicable way possible. I have already informed my lawyer of my decision and I just wanted to inform you before I officially launch the divorce process.

I sincerely hope that you can move on and find someone who will make you happy. I hope that my sincerity and transparency about my true feelings and thoughts do not cause you any more pain.

With my sincerest care and love,

cheers and thank you

DC

I see, so that was the first draft version of the statement Challinor sent to the Pools fans.

Nope, sorry, there is nothing like that between the lines either so you might need to go back and re-read.

Please explain to me why you are determined to ignore the numerous indications that suggest that there is something not altogether rosy going on behind the scenes at pools and shut down any talk of it? Is the fact that Mr Singh saved the club mean we can never ask questions and can never discuss the state of the club? Should we forever doff caps and be grateful? Do you think he will read this, see the that there are dissenting voices and pull the plug? Not really a healthy state of affairs.

what actually has changed at pools in a single week apart from the manager going. have cracks been papered over by good form and only now people seem happy to put the knife in. possibly a case of some thinking they may have more joining their agenda now than a week ago.

youve been asked before liittle imp.... about the "non rosey stuff" you keep bringing up ....and failed to explain yourself...you are becoming tedious....either put up or shut up

Don't forget he went from hero to zero in around 6 months at Darlo. Tried to get out of paying Cooper and Dryden what they were owed when sacked. Decided which players deserved paying and which ones didn't.
He may be a hero to you now but that's the type of history the man has behind him. He's the last one to be lecturing on honouring contracts and consulting solicitors over someone leaving.
Maybe he has changed? Time will tell.

Just for the record he is not my hero but he is not a villain in my eyes either. It is possible he may become one but until he does I have to stand up and admit we are in a far far better place under him than we were previously, and that is all I can go on.
Personally I would probably say he's learnt from previous experiences rather than changed, although the two can be linked.
You could say "Due to his previous experiences he has changed his approach to running a football club"
Even then the man might disagree.

loan star ....singh had to deal with the back end of shitfest left by reynolds.....he tried failed and lost a boat load of money...it wasnt possible...im sure you know why..that big empty thing with a local rugby side in it now is a clue...noticed you come on here at any opportunity to slag off singh.... as if youve got sum sort of vendetta going...give it a rest ..i trust in jeffs judgement and hes in a better position to know the character of the man than you will ever be pal...darlo is dead and buried and you know it..take up another hobby...

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport ... ton-spell/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZFQ-nFi_4Q&t=173s .....toilets at 2.20...

Love it.

I will not be asking my questions to Raj as I feel the Q&A session is partly down to yhe questions asked initially as I have stated these points have come from within the club lets just say Mr X. No amount of baiting will get a name.

essex.......as i thought ..all mouth and...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-pW0uX1wTs

Me too.

Take your rose tinted glasses off boyo.

FWIW Singh became involved with George Houghton at DFC, he was involved when the stadium was separated from the football club as a different business.
That was the biggest mistake made, other than building it in the first place, as then the only asset the club had was whatever value was in the playing staff.
Singh could have bought the arena for less than he paid for pools but he wouldnt pay the asking price and then went back on his word about not wanting his money back, before keeping the football share. Educate yourself better before making stupid comments.

imp....how did you know i was welsh??...amazing ....still we welsh regard the use of the word "boyo" as a racial slur...look it up if you are struggling to know what a slur is...or ask eifion if you bump into him in the town...you can get into trouble if i report you....anyway how was school today???

loan star......get over it....your version of events changes nothing....darlo is dead and buried...... and we all know the reasons why ...and our chairman is not one of them .....even though your obsession requires him to be....your warped history lesson educates no one including me .....what are you doing on this board anyway...as darlo through and through surely there are others who love your club as much as you...buddies that you can reminisce with and share stories with about the glory days in your tin shed.....thinking about it maybe there are not that many about for that these days.... and you are a bit lonely.......but anyway....just look at those toilets flush down the pan....the irony of it all for you, george and darlo....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZFQ-nFi_4Q&t=232s toilets 2.20

Please explain to me why are determined to ignore the numerous indications you are pissing in the wind.
Should you see someone about your unhealthy insistence on uncovering things you can’t actually reveal. Who exactly are you to keep making demands and why now all of a sudden?
Funny there wasn’t a peep out of you before Dave’s undignified departure.
I suspect you won’t be happy till Raj departs and then what will you do, step in with your piggy bank. Seriously.

I didnt know were a Welshman my fine Welsh fellow. Believe me though, if I wanted to say something derogatory to you I would have plenty of non racially orientated words to use so until you have some context which suggests that I am saying something derogatory (I'll make it very clear for you) then never fear.

I get it, you don't like people who have a different opinion to you about Pools. Aggressive shutting down is the 'go to' approach for people these days. Its a shame.

By the way, don't call me Imp. Us yellow bellies can use that word. Its not for you.

No there wasn't a peep until you lot decided to trample on someone who dared suggest that not everything was Shangri-la at Pools as if its some carnal sin. Honestly its proper Soviet in here.

‘No amount of baiting will get a name’ you say, well no one gives a toss about you ‘names’, if indeed they ever existed.
Jeez.

Here we go, are you slow on the uptake. I‘ll make it very simple.
If you had some revelation why wait till your pin up boy leaves, you should have revealed it long before now but you didn’t so you either sat on it or were firing blanks.
You have nothing to reveal, you’re like the crime scene witness who saw everything but can’t reveal anything to the police.

Lower league team in not much money shock!!!
Lower league club in infighting/politics/disaccord shock!
Lower league football team manager hubris shock!
Local business man in he knows best and he'll do what he wants regardless shock!

All this 'behind the scenes there is a problem but I can't tell you' stuff is just shit stirring unless it's divulged. Including from the quiter and his wife.