Mr. Chairman if you do not put a decent contract in front of Dave Challinor you will risk him walking away at the end of his contract if not before. You brought him in to get promotion he did it and now it seems you want to extend his stay on the cheap. With the club still not having a Ceo despite your assurances it was happening. We need a club with the corect structure not being run by well meaning volunteers on the cheap. PLEASE DO SOMETHING NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

Does this mean he's linked to Wrexham again?

No

That’s a worrying read.

I am in complete agreement with the above.
DC has made a "silk purse out of a pig's ear" IMO and should be kept at all costs.

The fans have suffered too long in the National League and a decent striker is all we need to banish any thoughts of a speedy return.

Don,t fuck this up, Raj.

WE have something special happening here.

Poolies.

Reading Raj's comments in the programme today and then Dave Challinor's response as quoted in the Mail has been depressing. There is obviously a rift between the two men and it won't be many weeks before the first managerial sackings start the speculation about Challinor's future all over again.

The Chairman is entitled to run a tight ship. So far as the departure of Armstrong and Oates goes, there's no guarantee that either of them will be a runaway success this season and Pools having to look elsewhere is not the end of the world. But I hope Jeff Stelling and others will impress on Raj that finding a really good manager is one of the hardest tasks for any club that isn't owned by a zillionaire.

He should think of tying down Dave Challinor with a long term contract as an investment - so when he finally does go Pools are very well compensated. Please sort it out Mr. Singh!

I honestly cant believe we finally have a manager that looks like taking us up the football league and this tight moron is about to ruin it all for us. Said it before hes a clueless clown. Not interested in the club at all. Hope he doesnt push DC out the club as he honestly wont be a welcome man in the ground come that day.

Looking from the outside, unsure why raj is being tight this year. It appears he was better with funds last season and really backed us for promotion.

Challinor has to be kept, but he needs to release funds too as he must of made a fortune. Don’t care if he saved the club, questions being asked are fully justified

If the ‘tight moron’ hadn’t turned up in the first place you’d have been polishing your Reliant Robin this afternoon..... yes, you have said it before ‘ he’s a clueless clown’ it’s all you ever say.... pity football clubs aren’t run by people who know what they’re talking about, the ones with no money.
Why not drive to the Vic on Monday morning and offer them your services, they’ll bite your hand off with your experience and general all round knowledge of the game...they’ll give you the cheque book and stand back in awe....or set the the metaphorical dogs on you.

Pathetic post. Raj has done a fantastic job of keeping this club alive, is he making a mistake in not giving DC what he wants, 100% yes. But Raj has said previously he will learn from his mistakes in the past so hopefully this is one of them.

That's a poor post indeed.

You don’t make a fortune when you get promoted from the national league to the football league. You may increase your revenue, but your costs will increase too. Plus we had the additional bonus of having to pay previous owners a lump sum…

Reading the two sets of comments from Raj and DC, it looks to me like Raj has given an uplift on what DC was on last season, so he’s using last season’s salary as a comparator, where is DC is looking at the rest of the managerial cohort in league two as the comparator. So they’re comparing an apple with an orange and a banana.

https://www.888sport.com/blog/football/ ... one-salary

Average league two manger salary is £80,000 per year

If that what DC is asking, then I think it's a reasonable request.

Was his lap round the pitch a goodbye?

Jesus Christ are you serious or just pissed on a Saturday night? His first game as a football league manager and he's won. Yes, there are issues that needs addressing but where do you think he's going?
I think people need to calm the fuck down and relax. It is concerning but I'm sure it'll be fine. Raj doesn't want to lose him and DC doesn't want to leave..... yet.

That article also says that one L2 manager is on £45k. Surely not DC?

Think it was more of a show to Raj. Saying the fans love me so give me what I want.

Our lass reckons Dave Challinor has the best hair of any football manager ever.

If it helps the negotiations in any way, he can shag her for nowt if he signs a new contract...

Well season ticket/ match day prices were based around averages. So if it's 80k that's what it is...as a starting point not that's it....you know it makes sense Rajy, as Del boy would say.
don't kill the golden goose Raj. We're doing our bit by turning up, buying programs, team kit,season tickets do the maths. Great crowd on Saturday, will be there Tuesday. UTP

a couple of things that can help DC in his negotiantions is where pools will be in the league. higher up we are the better for him. on top of this is that as far as i know he still lives in the fylde area. if he gets an improved offer with what he wants a possible moving to the hartlepool area should be part of it. 3 year improved deal raj please. we all know what will happen if DC walks. a jones or harrisom mark 2.

that does not bare? Thinking about, what a nightmarish thought. I am going to take the dog for a walk , that I haven't got, to clear my head.

Ooooo feisty one you are!!!!

By being in the football league, your income goes up.

2500 season ticket holders is a decent income, as well as the money from the Brad young transfer. If you believe the increase in income is only levelled out in expenditure, I’d lean towards that being unlikely. Remember this is challinors annual salary, so the difference between 40k and 80k is hardly a huge dent. 2500 people likely paid on the gate yesterday so that’s almost the difference already

I didn’t say income and expenditure were levelled out, but I did say that income would be up. My point is that we have increased revenue, but we also have increased costs, so we haven’t made a “fortune”. As for the Brad Young money, I am sure Sage are enjoying that as their lump sum for us getting promoted. There was no prize money for going up remember.

What I find a little frustrating about this situation is that DC clearly has an eye for a rough diamond and a skill at developing players, so any money spent on securing his long term services will save us money on player recruitment in the future.

all that is fine if fans continue to turn up at the vic in those numbers regularly. somehow without winning the vast amount of home games i really doubt it. at least you can guarentee more bums on seats at the rink end than we saw yesterday starting even with crewe on tuesday night. must admit i was there yesteday but will not be on tuesday.

Managers under IOR were on rolling contracts, none of them other had long term contracts, I can understand DC looking for security for his family etc but would any League team take a chance on him. Would he be prepared to drop a division for an improved salary or stick it out at Pools and try and enhance his reputation ?

This needs to be sorted before it becomes a full blown public spat, which may become irretrievable.
It can only be resolved by two people either ending up in agreement or becoming further and further apart with inevitable consequences.
So Messrs Singh and Challinor the answer lies with you two.
Get it sorted.

at the moment DC holds all the cards. even at this early stage of the season i doubt it would take long for him to find another club. after yesterday he,d walk into the crawley job.

Raj doing things on the cheap as normal

Playing devils advocate, what is DC on, what has Raj offered? No one knows. Of course we want to keep him but what does a contract mean to managers,they all walk when someone comes calling. Of course DC is ambitious and if he keeps going like he is now some club will come in for him. Yes we will require compensation but managers don’t bring big bucks. The truth is he will not be here in the long term.
Just look at this close season, of the top of my head, Morcombe manager got them promoted and walked to a bigger club then we have Everton and Fulham managers walking out.

Or just maybe DC was thanking the fans for their show of support.
But why think of something like that when some loony theory can be bandied about. Sad.

It's not a good state of affairs. Raj wrote a sensible piece for the programme about making fair offers for Challinor, Armstrong and Oates to keep the fans in the loop. The response from DC in the interview was surprising and not a good way to negotiate. We all know Raj is a successful businessman and has demonstrated he will not be pushed around and I doubt that many people who stand up to him stay around very long. The two need to sit down asap and see if there is a resolution to their differences. DC is a fine manager and one we can't afford to lose for the reasons already stated. I would hope that a resolution can be found. In a battle between owner and employee the owner will always have the control, look at Messi at Barcelona! DC probably won't get average Div2 pay. He's not got to live in London/SE England so the salary will be lower. I would love to see him on a 2 or 3 year deal or a rolling contract. I would also love to see him commit and move his home to the area rather than commuting from the NW. I am also pleased that Sweens has had the experience of working under DC (and NC). He will probably be the next Pools manager.

Singh commented: “Talks have been ongoing for a few weeks, and we have made Dave an increased offer a couple of weeks ago which we think is fair for this league and again, taking into consideration his achievements of last season.”

But Challinor claims there is still some work to do in order to get him to commit.

“It’s easy to put things in programmes and things like that. I noticed [Singh] used the word fair but fair is very subjective, fair to one person may be derisory to another.

"If fair is significantly lower than the average wage of a League Two manager then it is fair?

"Of course there is a solution to it. Whether that happens and how long that takes to get to is not really in my control.

"I’m comfortable with where I’m at and regardless of what happens I’ll do my best to put a squad together that will be competitive and try and win football matches like we have done.”


Taken from the mail article.

Significantly lower than that of league two..

He got us back in the league, he has brought the crowds back and has the team playing as a unit.

Give him a decent offer on a rolling contract. If Pools success continues, he will walk away to a bigger offer and we'll be back where we started.

I appreciate everything Raj has done and know we're still not out of the woods yet in terms of debt, but surely we're a more attractive club in terms of sponsorship and revenue than in the National league. Surely DC is the man to keep us in league two.

There are some amazing reactions here!

People have soon forgotten last season there was very little revenue. No fans until the Play Offs. Some income from the TV games and Play Off win yes. Some season ticket sales and streaming income. Some income from Government handouts. Bit at the end of the day a lot lower income than in a normal season. Then with the payment to Sage and increased wages and costs for this League, Raj has obviously budgeted using these figures.

Also it should not be forgotten that a lot of the early season signings last year spent most of the season out of the team or on furlough. It was only the inspired December/ January investment in Armstrong, Sterry, the fitness of OAtes and Liddle that saw the fantastic finish to the season.

Yesterday the crowd was excellent and probably a reaction to missing a year and a half of getting out. Will these figures be maintained if we are in mid table or below? Yes it was a great win but Crawley were very poor and there will be much tougher teams. Perhaps Challinor should be offered an incentive to get an average wage if we finish in the middle, a lower wage if we are in the bottom and a higher wage for making Platy OFfs or promotion?

He has been excellent, but also the support of Raj should not be forgotten.

As for the lowest paid manager in the League, it would not be surprising were it Morecambe and Derek Adams, it did them no harm until he jumped ship after promotion. So salary is no guarantee of performance. A performance related salary is the answer.

Let’s be realistic eventually DC will be going. Just hope it’s not imminent. He still lives on the other side of the country and will no doubt get a better offer from clubs over there. Remember he was reported to be a hot favourite for the Wrexham job until Parkinson threw his hat in.

on the plus side of DC staying is the fact that all his promotions through his managerial career is in non league. this is his first stint as a league manager. although well known in the north west and now the north east i would say if he got offered the colchester or swindon jobs their fans would be quite unhappy about the situation. words like dave who could be mentioned on their messageboards as an underwhelming appointment. if he is ambitious then this is a big season for him as well as pools. could he be one we have loved and lost or a poolie gareth ainsworth or john coleman. when these walked into their respective clubs i doubt they,d have expected such long decent careers with them.

I wonder thinking between the lines if this is why the CEO job and salary on offer were advertised on the website.

Found this, I assume its the right one.

Yeah that was it. Are managers normally paid more than CEOs?

In the prem, Championship and League one, generally not according to the average salaries

In league two it seems so..