This is starting to stink.

Chesterfield players and staff have been vaccinated
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/ ... ne-3123957

along with staff at Porton Down
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... id-vaccine

and a whole bunch of other people not in 'at risk' groups.

The excuse is always the same: jabs with a short shelf life (that'll be the Pfizer one then) were in danger of going to waste... Obviously nobody at all in the 50-69 age group was a phone call away

Meantime anyone living out in the sticks and reliant on their local GP surgery will get the Oxford jab - the one that half a dozen European countries (and counting) have refused to licence for use with the over 60s because of concerns about its efficacy in older people.

1000 Pfizer Vaccines were thrown away as somebody left them out of the fridge/freezer after a delivery. This was on Tuesday at Stratford Hospital in Warwickshire.

You couldn't make it up sometimes!

Boris Johnson almost certainly has been vaxxed twice then, he spends almost all his spare time in fridges after all.

shock and horror some human being has made a mistake and probably because they were rushed off their feet. unless it was done deliberatly things like this should have stayed where it happened. the person who first reported it must be one of the super breed of humans who never make a mistake. spare a thought for the person who made an error who will have it with them all their lives.

It must be annoying the Guardian to death that something is going right but true to form they'll trawl the country to find as much fault as they can.
Nobody ever claimed the colossal task would be perfect and the success of this herculean effort far outweighs any mishaps and there are bound to have been some and there will no doubt be more.
If the NHS make on the hoof decisions as to what to do with spare vaccines then so be it, that is a task they took on and I, for one, will leave it to them to make the decisions on where and when to do it, WITHOUT expecting them to be 100 % perfect ALL OF THE TIME.
It really is disgraceful the way some people delight in spending their time looking for ways to diss what is being attempted. Maybe these people should volunteer to show the NHS how to do it better.
Europe were clamouring for our vaccine a few moments ago and now are queueing up to rubbish it. I'll take the views of our scientists thank you very much and back them to get it right, and have backed them by rolling up my sleeve to get their jab. Oxford and Astrazeneca have moved mountains to produce a weapon to fight this terrible disease and are supplying it at cost, without making a penny profit. The NHS, the Armed Forces and thousands of volunteers are breaking their backs to give it to us totally free and some people just have to find fault with the effort and everybody knows the reason they do it........political point scoring. Disgraceful.
Angela Merkel, when asked to comment on the success of our vaccine rollout, answered "It rankles". Unbelievable Jeff.

[quote="derwent"]It must be annoying the Guardian to death that something is going right but true to form they'll trawl the country to find as much fault as they can.

was it that rag that first reported this mistake. do not mind any papers knocking a system as long as its part of a report of the whole thing taken in contex. individual workers mistakes are quite another thing. everything nowadays seems to be all suger or shit with nothing much in the middle.

They reported that local NHS staff offered spare vaccines to PHE staff at Porton Down and some were vaccinated. A PHE spokesperson said that the people selected were urgent to the effort.
Why report on decisions like this. It is the NHS who are in charge of such decisions and make them as they see fit. What are the Guardian trying to achieve. If the vaccines went to waste the Guardian would be the first to jump on it. Just let the NHS get on with it. Is anybody actually not happy with the vaccine rollout, apart from the crackpots who don't accept there is a pandemic. A guy who works with the wife actually said that he told his mum and dad they didn't need the covid vaccine because they'd had the flu vaccine. What is the matter with people. The whole operation is geared to saving lives. I can't grasp why people just can't see that.

Vaccine passports are becoming more likely as Greece is mooting the idea of ditching quarantine rules for people who can prove they have been vaccinated.
They want the Brits back, as do the Spanish.
The Government are assessing it.
Is there a possibility that Stadia will go down this route. It could have a dual affect.......get people back into the stadia and at the same time encourage the doubters to get the jab.
HHHHMMMMMM.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-01-28/health-workers-snowstorm-give-stranded-drivers-covid-vaccine

They would have had a field day if this had happened in the UK then

Agree that a vaccine passport is the way forward for all types of events and travel.
The question I would have is would it be in the form of a credit card or tattoo on forehead or something else?

It is a good question Mr Streak. It should be easily answered but it really needs to be something simple. I was given a card after I received the jab and it states my name, which vaccine, batch number etc, but I reckon there would have to be some photo ID. Maybe like a bus pass sort of idea.

Yes I suspect it would have to be something secure with some kind of chip and photo.
Criminals could have a field day here if not secure with forgeries flooding the market for the non believers.
There may be issues here about human rights for those inclined so maybe the cards should have a expiry date and or parliament needs to legistsate this for a fixed period of time by which hopefully Covid19 has disappeared and we can throw them in the bin.

What about them bastads who want to the government to fail at everything?..A good roll out with the vaccine means nothing to them,and they would cuff their ears on the news of a good trade deal for the UK.Oddballs!!

This vaccine rollout is most definitely an arms race.

whilst the vaccine roll out has been good even by the gov. statements it wille may by the time all over 50,s and those with health conditions are done. i have a feeling so many want to get in a position of the country having to run before it can actually walk. as for the so called covid passport some are not allowed to be vaccinated anyway due to a health condition they have. then by the sounds of it there is a distinct possibility of renueuing the vaccination every year. there would be quite a big cost to roll out a proper id card that cannot be easily forged. add to this all the folk with a memory like i have. just forgetting either where you put it or getting somewhere and you forgot to bring the thing with you. bloody cardiff tickets come to mind.

I tried an interweb calculator the other day, and there are 28 million people in the queue before me, and I should get my jab end of April/early May and my second jab late July/early August. Something like that. I'll just bide my time stay in and stay safe. Wish I could go to the Pub or Football, but I'd rather lose a year or 2 of my normal life, than lose my life full stop. Just me.

What I would be interested in finding out is the following;

Since the first vaccination on 8 December and nearly 2 months later has anybody died who had been vaccinated?

Is the answer?

a) Don't know

b) There have been some - how many?

c) There have been none

d) The figures will not be released

b) there have been 143 deaths to date.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55946912

In Norway there was a report of this but the vast majority were infected before getting the jab or in the period after getting the jab before the body had developed antibodies.

It is nailbiting really to know that it is about three weeks until the first dose becomes in command and that, until then, I am still vulnerable to the disease.
So near and yet so far.
All I can do is keep alert but it is worrying, I'll admit.
Seventeen days to go.

Also from the time someone gets infected it can take from 2 to 14 days to show symptoms. During this time they can pass on the virus. From getting sick it may be some time to get really sick which may or may not mean you get hospital treatment. People may be in hospital for some time before being discharged or death. By calculating back it would appear that what we have now is a result of the Xmas break.
Mr D is correct that it takes 21 days to get max protection from the first jab BUT only what is close to full protection is obtained 7 days after the second jab.
This ain't going away soon.
This virus is a twat.

Oh forgot to say some people get the virus and show no symptoms (asymptomatic) and pass it on to other without knowing. That's why we need mass testing.
A lot of the information given out by the government and press is somewhat confusing and badly written.
Have a good weekend.

for me what i have heard is that once jabbed yuor chances of not being seriously ill with the virus increases at all levels. it does not give total immunity or the ability not to pass it on to others. for those who want it the vaccine is better than nothing but can imagine over the years a better vaccine may come out to overcome these short comings as it certainly not going to go away. thats always going to be the problem because millions may think its going to go away as quickly as it came and once jabbed they can get straight down to the pub and book their foreign holiday again.

This short article in the unpatriotic Guardian explains very clearly why those dastardly Europeans have put an age restriction - for now - on the use of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine:
https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver ... rd-vaccine.

The nub of it is this:
"The problem is the relevant trials recruited only 660 subjects aged 65 or over: 6% of participants [...] to have so few from those at highest risk from Covid-19 is unfortunate, to put it mildly.
Only two cases in this age range developed Covid-19: one among vaccinated subjects, the other in the group who had the dummy injection. We cannot estimate efficacy from this data alone."

The Oxford jab was proven to work well for the under-65s and UK scientists and health regulators concluded that there was no reason to think that it wouldn't also work for older age groups - a reasonable supposition that seems to be working out, but not one that was based on evidence from the trials.

Speaking personally, I'm in the 65-69 age group, I want to be vaccinated and I'll take whatever's on offer when I get the call. That desire doesn't numb my brain to those awkward things called facts.

honestly even if you and others want to get done just get it done. reading so called facts that one side say its the truth and the other attempts to dispute it may give you other problems on top of the virus. if you are like me and can usually see both sides an any argument you,d be stuffed on this one.

Its great that we where the first to vaccinate and that we are doing a very good job of vaccinating people quicker than we initially thought, but there is still no evidence to suggest these vaccinations work, and the reason we where the first to vaccinate is because we chose to plough on, without the vaccines undergoing any sort of real scrutiny in terms of trials. Only time will tell if we made the correct decision.

think a great deal of that was due to the emergency at the time and the majority of the population that were craving for some sort of vaccination roll out. without any information regarding a future problem i cannot see it doing any lasting harm for those who have it. can see others being developed that are better and been better tested which may be the magic bullet people are looking for.

Tens of thousands across the world were involved in trials and, as a result of those trials, the vaccines were approved to emergency rules status and have been proved to be more than efficient. The regulators are happy with the efficiency rates and the Joint Vaccination crew are happy to roll them out. The experts are now confident that they are capable of mix and match.
Who is saying "there is still no evidence to suggest these vaccinations work".
The only people rocking the boat are the EU or at least some of them and it doesn't take a genius to work out why that is.
Sarah Gilbert is working on a "tweak" to batter the variants and this very morning said we will have it by Autumn.
I think one of the problems is that we are leading the World on this and some people and some countries find that hard to swallow.

I heard a scientist saying its going to be a game of at and dog. The virus mutates and we tweek the jab, it mutates again and we tweek again.
We are going to be like pin cushions.

cat i mean

It'll be just like the flu jab, given every year before winter, probably to the elderly and vulnerable. The flu jab gets tweaked every year. Doesn't really matter about the detail as long as we are safe. Leave it to the Oxford gang, they'll sort it.

That's how I've read gumf. Yearly jabs for possibly the rest of our lives. All in all not a bad price to pay to go back to a "normal" Life. As for Covid itself if it was natural, we would find a cure, as it's allegedly man made and continuing to mutate then we'll have to adapt. That's my rough understanding. I read somewhere on the Tinternet that it won't be til 2024 before we get back to normality.

I'm mid 50's to late 50's..but i look 10 years younger, anyone had a problem with this at testing centre's?

Of course they do, and we'll support them.



Is it just me ,or does von der leyden always looks like she's got a migraine headache coming on?

doubt they could roll out a mass vaccination programme like we are having at the moment year in year out. they might have to scale it down somehow unless a jab for life is found which is unlikely with all the mutations going on.

I'm guessing it''l be a flu type yearly jab, however as Covid 19 isn't seasonal an all year round process will be fine.

A little follow up from my earlier post. I had a PM on Bookface from a lass I went to school with and haven't seen for years. Anyway after her advice I made a phone call and got my jab the next day.

That young lady's message obviously had it's intended affect. What is more important though is the probability that she just might have prolonged your life and subsequently the lives of others.
I am proud of her actions and proud of you for responding. Well done to both of you.

Thanks Mr Derwent. I've been staying in etc, really because of worry for Dad, he's 80 with Dementia and COPD. I was okay being in the queue and would have carefully carried on life til my jab. A little advice from a friend and a phone call was all it took. Makes me feel mentally better as it's a further shield for Dad. On the negative side my arm still feels like it's just been punched. A small price to pay.

My arm ached for a few days but not severely. As you say small price to pay.