Ref at Ipswich v Northampton match on Tuesday night attempted to give Ipswich winger Alan Judge the Hartlepool kiss. Mind you he picked on one of the smallest players on the pitch to show how hard he was. Perhaps we should have him referee one of our matches and harden a few of our players up. A lot of them not up for the fight

Mr horden must have felt like chinning a few in his time.

It's been a long time coming. Referees take shit and who can blame them from retaliating? Maybe the players should take a look at themselves over their conduct? What is the point of arguing with a ref and making him remember you? I don't recall many decisions being overturned because a player disagreed with a ref. Just stop this play acting, wasting time and gamesmanship and get on with the game.

The big question is how can a referee be in control of proceedings when he can't control himself.
What's the red card for Ref?
Putting your head into that player's face.
Oh the irony
As for time wasting, cheating etc. In just about every game I watch I witness blatant examples of these things and, more often than not, the ref does sod all about it. They are their own biggest enemies.

its always been said that referees at the top make it harder for those at the bottom who dare stick to the laws of the game. my gripe as a fan and a ref is teams taling throw ins from ten yards and more further upfield than where the ball went out. asking em to take it from the right place gets abuse and moans as if its you asking em to do something wrong. its so deep routed in en that they never get the massage about it even after a caution for dissent.

I was as stickler for things like that , and why not, thems the rules. Yet a lot of my colleagues would say I was being over fussy, bullshit !. The thing that bugs me more than anything at the moment, is the ball outside of the corner arc when taking corners , boils my piss that one.

All you do for abuse and moans is call the captain over and tell him to control his players and abide by the rules. Make it quite clear that there is no compromise to the rules and any abuse/dissent will be dealt with. Turning a blind eye to the rules is the reason you get dissent. The big word is consistency. It's the lack of consistency that winds players and managers up. I think I have told this tale before. I was playing in a game once where I was giving the ref a bit of grief, under instruction I might add, so it is not new that behaviour. After about ten minutes the ref blew his whistle and called me and the captain over. He handed me his whistle and told me to blow it, which I did. He then told me "that is the one and only time you will referee this game" and left me in no doubt that any more of it and I was going. It worked. It was done in an amusing sort of way but I knew he was deadly serious. Most players know who they can wind up and who won't stand for it. Like I've said before, some officials are their own worst enemies.

No refs = no game. Back them to stop this stupid moaning culture by players and managers.

Exactly this is the term used in rugby union. Watch some you tube clips on Nigel Owen. Why don't the refs book and send off players for dissent of any type? Reason is that football is entertainment and needs controversy to promote itself. Its not that much different than wrestling. Bring back Jacky Pallo and Mick McManus.

Again... didn’t happen

Peter Kioso was apparently the cause of it all

Maybe ref should go into the dressing rooms b4 kick off and tell them any dissent and its a yellow card

Agree Dykey - too much time-wasting, encroaching, play-acting & dissent. It's supposed to be a spectator sport at these levels.

Much of it is slapstick comedy.
Bring back the birch I say!

I worked with Darren briefly. He does do this kind of thing. However his hands are tied unless there is an FA backed, league-wide campaign for a change in culture in football. At the moment they would rather pratt about with VAR rather than implement this potentially cheap fix.

they do but then the game kicks off and they do sod all about it. remember in the late 90,s going to a referees association meeting with ex league ref gilbert napthine as guest speaker. he came onto the stage with a shovel in his hand and talked about referees digging holes for themselves. the dressing room talk was one of em where he said it was better not to bother in the first place as if you do not follow anything up to the letter you have lost all player respect from then onwards.

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All you do for abuse and moans is call the captain over and tell him to control his players and abide by the rules. Make it quite clear that there is no compromise to the rules and any abuse/dissent will be dealt with.
been there, done it and in most cases just waisted my time and voice. usually teams have either their gobby player as captain or the goalkeeper. the former gets the job so he gets a bit more leeway with the ref and the latters do it in the attempt to stop the referee having this word for the length of time it takes keepers to amble to the half way line. by doing this players get flustrated and the words come on ref lets get on with it is the first thing you hear. in some cases you can talk players out of the book especially the older ones. however a lot of younger lads only learn by you issuing cards to them. the hardest games you can get is a team of 30 plus year olds playing a teenage early 20,s side who want the game refereed in a compltely different way.

Well if talking to the players is a waste of time, then don't talk to them just give the card, if it continues send them off. Is there still a fines system in place? If so they'll soon get the message when it hits their back pocket.
Instead of reaching for the excuse book, reach for the sorting it out manual.
More examples of referee inconsistency are emerging here. If you all stuck together and sang from the same song sheet, progress could be made.
If the answer is you won't stick together then, like I said elsewhere, you are your own biggest enemies.
Concentrate on what you can do.

Wasting your time Accy, in the case of the ref and players/supporters, I just used to tell myself , its just a few Hyenas cackling about a Lion.

He's not wasting his time at all. Only by airing grievances, problems etc and hearing all sides of the story will we have any chance of making progress.
You are defeatist Mr H.
Maybe players and supporters are thinking of the Hyena cackling coming from the other side.
You are not adverse to cackling on about the opinions dear to you.
Maybe if you listened a bit more, and less dismissive of other people's views, opinions and concerns, you would learn a bit more. After all a cackler calling other cacklers just starts a bigger cackle, does it not. Try to listen to the message rather than the messenger.

I thought that may reel you in

The truth hurts does it ?

Not with you on that one, old bean. Like you I'm just offering opinions and observations. Reelings in are not important to me but if they float your boat I'm only too pleased to accommodate. Whether the truth hurts or not is dependent on what is classed as the truth and who is doing the classification. If somebody says "All referees are jumped up wankers" there would be agreement from some and vice versa from others. Truth like my wife telling me we've won fifty quid this month on the premium bonds didn't hurt at all. I can assure you I am quite chuffed about that. So it doesn't always hurt. Actually, if you think about, saying the truth hurts can be called a lie on occasions.
Bit daft innit.

Makes a change , you tying yourself in knots, saves me a job

Always glad to amuse Mr H and be amused of course

its not giving excuses its as it is. as for fines, some clubs pay em for their players for a start. as for consistancy you will never get it as unlike a lot of sports football laws are all about in the opinion of the referee. everyone on here for a start has a different opinion on incidents in a game or pools performance for a start. its not to say who is right or wrong but their opinion based on what they saw. at the end of the day when you ref a game you just have to try the best you can. remember nearly all the decisions you give you are a hero to 11 and a villain to the same number.