Toon 1 nil down after 42 minutes.
I think Brucy is a good manager but anyone will have a hard time at Newcastle.

yes they will. expectations at that club has been too high for years and quicker the club and fans realize they are more of a burnley type of club than a chelsea one. its gone on for years now that if a team has a run in of say 6 games and its thought of as a hard run in, newcastle who are in the bottom half of the table are included in this if they have to play em. most hyped up overated team in the country in the last 40 years.

I dont agree with that accrington.

Firstly i dont think the expectations are too high, all the fant want is for the club to contest, challenge and like all fans try and play good football.

If Newcastle's natural level was 17th and they give it a good fuckin go to finish 17th i think the fans would accept that.

But the owner takes money from the club, saddles it with debt in the form of loans and re invests it at a very low level.

With the size of stadium they have, the potential is there too do a lot better, but the owner is preventing it through bad management.

Its footballs worst kept secret, all Ashley wants is Newcastle to stay in the Premier League, which for a club their size is shocking. I feel sorry for Bruce, as for some reason wherever he goes, there is a collective sigh from the fans " Oh no , not him FFS " I don't know why this is, as his record isn't too shabby. I don't see the point in sacking him, if they are not going to bring in anyone thought to be better, like a Dyche ,Gerrard or Howe. Knowing Newcastle they would give the job to Roy Hodgson once Palace sack him , I mean what where they thinking giving the job to Bruce in the first place?.

I dont think theres much wrong with bruce, n before this move to newcastle he's done well over the years with sunderland a few championship clubs, getting them promoted n so on.

His name doesnt jump out at me as someone who would play free flowing football, but i do get that he simply doesnt have the funds to do it, he's trying the best with the players he has, but i do feel he could be a bit more ambitious with them, as they proved in the second half yday, they arent a bad side when they have a go.

No win in 11 is a pretty poor record, and i think he's strugging to get much out of the squad he has, they probably need a manager who can do well on very little money n resources.

As horden says, ashley has no ambition for the club, he wont sell them, and he just wants to stay up, which he will do the absolute bare minimum to achieve.

Just rechecked my crystal ball and it going to be tomorrow.........honest!

I know Steve Bruce to give him credit passed the red and white black and white divide and was always on a loser for that and I understand he is a Geordie and his obvious love for the Mags (remember well when they won the old Fairs Cup back in 1969) but why go there with this owner? The same for Chelsea? I reckon the Russian guy owner (can't spell his name) would sack someone if they lost one game in a season and won every other one. Meanwhile in the same other universe there are these managers who go from job to job and never actually win more than 30-40 per cent of games but seem to walk into jobs after getting sacking payments. Stevie Bruce has probably gone by the time I write this.

thing is ashley gets the blame at present but has only been there about 13 years. what happened before he turned up. one fairground cup since the 1955 FA Cup win. what was their highest top flight league position since then. probebly the season they blew it with keegan and the closest they got. yes keegan the bloke born not too far from doncaster who said he was a geordie. that sums em up for me. i know i do not like the mags and never have done and i,d even love darlo to knock em out of the cup.

Before ashley arrived they were a club in the champions league and europe, they had previously had players like craig bellamy, michael owen and alan shearer and were a club players would want to go too, think of the likes of dyer, jenas, hugo viana, scott parker and so on. Young players with potential would look to newcastle as a massive step up.

Granted the trophy success wasnt there but they were a big club with stature that were always knocking on the door.

I guess if you dont like newcastle you might not see it from my point of view.

I got into footy in the early 90's, my mate was the only kid in the street who had sky and he was a newcastle fan so we'd go watch when they were on. I'm not saying they are a second club but i have always liked them and wanted them to do well.

I like to have a dog in the fight when I watch the Premier League on TV so these days I don't mind Newcastle. There's not many teams in that league I wouldn't enjoy seeing them beat.

It's a long, long time since Keegan and Robson were managers up there and their fans expected to win stuff and were insufferable.

Remember taking my son to see them play Bayer Leverkeusen, hard to imagine now, they won 3-0 Shearer hat trick.

Its imperative clubs like Newcastle go all out to win the FA or League Cup, never understood why for many seasons they fielded weakened teams. To be fair to Bruce this season he did field a decent side at Brentford , but now they just aren't good enough and that result proved it. A big blow, from which they seemed to have never recovered.

They were also in a shit load of debt!! Think anything you like of Ashley but at least he's running a steady ship off the field, shame about the football on it! Mind you, Bruce playing one up front at home to a mid table team deserves slagging off.

From an outsider looking in (I'm a Yorkshireman), I've always looked at Newcastle and thought they think they're bigger than they are and the fans I have known (admittedly this isn't many) come across as arrogant and thinking big crowds should equal success which is never the case.

Sunderland on the other hand I don't mind at all. They're capable of getting big gates but they don't have anything like the same arrogance from the fans I've known.

Pound for pound , Sunderland fans are the best in Britain, even though I don't support them, though coming from Blackhall it would've been the natural thing to do. I have always said it, I find them humble, rational, don't get above themselves
and very knowledgeable. I reckon its because a lot of their support came from the coal mining communities, again the best of people. Obviously times change, and the younger generation don't necessarily have the same qualities their fathers and grandfathers used to have , but they are still the best supporters for me.

exactly same as me on all counts. could add boro and even darlo to the list of NE clubs i do not mind unless all three play pools. my dislike of all things newcastle united is not born out of jealousy as being bigger than pools but the whole thing about them and their fans especially the exiles or the ones who wish they were.

You cant judge their whole fanbase though based on your experience of a handful of them.

I've never found the newcastle fans i've met to be like that at all.

Geordies are a funny lot. I worked up there for a long time and have to say they're not the friendliest of North-Easterners - not a patch on County Durham folk, or Teessiders for that matter. If you're a stranger and expect to get a conversation out of a group of Geordies in a pub, you can forget it. Maybe it's a city thing.

Went to college with a lad from Ashington. Couldn't understand a word he said.

Could you repeat that please?

Ditto

Me neither , Sunderland I find are better, but Newcastle are cut from the same cloth. The Mags maybe got carried away a bit between the Keegan and Robson eras, but other than that, not much difference.

worked with and know fans who are exiles of all the so called bigger 3 north east clubs. the difference between em is sunderland and boro ones attend home games when they can the mags do not. you can only talk about people you actually know and not the whole fanbase. i imagine there are others on here that can quote the opposite in their experiance.

Gan on Steve Bruce lad !

Made my day.

Phew, finally my Twitter feed won't be spammed by people arguing over Steve Bruce.

outside chance of europe now and a big push to be champions next season.

You never know , look at West Ham. Still think he is on borrowed time like, but hopefully they will get a few more wins on board, with a 10th-14th mid table finish, that might see Bruce through to the end of the season, at which time he will probably be sacked

I doubt that any of the top Premiership managers could get the current Newcastle squad above mid table so Bruce is doing a good job IMO.

might have a chance of the spurs job shortly if they go down the same line as chelsea did with lampard. then the chosen one can join the mags for a match made in heaven.

Well they get around 50,000 there every other week so some fucker must be going.

eagles thrive.

I typed out something similar the other day, but I like Accrington, so I thought better of it. Funny though

Bournemouth sack their manager after 6 months. If I remember this is the same club that gave Eddie Howe time and resources to get them and stay in the Prem. After relegation EH resigned as he'd taken them as far as he could. The Board continued by appointing in house and gave him 6 months, when the team are still there or there about in the promotion race. Why has their Mantra changed. Is it owt to do with the Money from the Prem???????

I do not apologise for being cynical.

Can see Eddie Howe returning now that's he recharged his batteries.

Strangely brought in woodgate as a coach the day before he was sacked now he has the job, albeit on a temp basis.

Summit seems off there.

Worked with a few down here,i'd say if there was any interest in Darlo fc the Boro and Sunderland lads were the only ones to show it.I'd still like to see them to do well.

[quote="The Bishop"]Bournemouth sack their manager after 6 months. If I remember this is the same club that gave Eddie Howe time and resources to get them and stay in the Prem. After relegation EH resigned as he'd taken them as far as he could. The Board continued by appointing in house and gave him 6 months, when the team are still there or there about in the promotion race. Why has their Mantra changed. Is it owt to do with the Money from the Prem???????

more likely not just having a short memory but no memory at all. their fans got a good taste of the premier league but really are back in what can now be called their true position. even the championship is an improvement of what their older fans grew to expect, league 1. modern boards have less patiance than even i have in tea time traffic.