Good explanation in Mail from Challoner as to new contract and terms. Still think it’s a risk but there you are.

He can't stay on the bench for ever, got a feeling we might see a glimpse of him on the telly tomorrow.

If he never got any game time at Salford , I really can't see when we would play him, totally bizarre situation and an embarrassment.

As I have said I don’t think I would have taken the risk but it’s their choice and in the end one of us will have egg on our face. Challinor obviously thinks it’s a gamble worth taking let’s be honest we could never afford a player of his ability if fit.

Ability or not, what is the point if he doesn't play him? Seems a strange sort of gamble to me.

Time will tell.

Indeed. There is no gamble if he never plays. He's just picking up a wage for training. Cracking player though so I understand why we'd sign him but he has to be given games. Not that I think we are necessarily but we can't be holding off playing him against physical sides through fear of him getting injured?! That would be silly.

At this level he is a game changer whether that’s from the bench or from the start, why is he not getting the opportunity?

If the manager is not going to give him the chance he is only taking up space on the bench, space which could be occupied by someone the manager is willing to give an opportunity to.

might as well just chuck him in the starting line up and see what happens if he is deemed fit. the situation at the moment is beyond a joke really. just wonder if he actually knows that he is not going to get a kick in the game and just going to be a glorified spectator every single game.

Are you picking the team Mr. Accrington? Starts the match!

Gutted for the guy hope it's not serious.

I'm watching it and saw literally nothing happen

I think in those conditions it wouldn't have been a bad idea for Challinor not to play Williams after all - when you've been out as long as he has playing on such a heavy pitch is asking for trouble. He put himself about a bit - for all of 15 minutes - then did something, muscle, groin, who knows? Sad to watch.

Playing him today was an unnecessary risk, same as playing Liddle at Ilkeston. Poor management in my opinion.

Hopefully just a pulled muscle or similar and nothing serious, really feel for him.

Agree. Said it before, I thought it strange not so much playing Liddle at Ilkeston, but fact he let him play full 90 on his comeback from injury when we were cruising to victory, taking him off after 60 or 70 might have made all the difference.

Why always loook for someone to blame? Nonsense as usual.

Don’t think Horden was going over the top.

It was the wrong decision to play Liddle for the full 90 and start with Williams today. Would have made more sense bringing him on for the last 15 minutes against Salford when we needed a goal. It’s also often standard practice to use players returning from injury as subs first to build up their fitness/stamina.

That doesn’t make Challinor a bad manager, in fact I think he is the best we’ve had for many years.

Personally don’t think there is anything wrong with constructive criticism as long as it is balanced with praise when things go well.

Anyway on to Tusday, a tough game but one we can win.

Totally wrong decision to start with Williams in those conditions in my opinion. Challiner has had chances to bring him on late on in games but didn't and then throws him on from the start in those conditions, crazy in my opinion or just rank bad management.

As I have said I don’t think I would have taken the gamble and if he is going to be out for a lengthy period he should do the honourable thing and retire immediately.

I don't agree with those saying he shouldn't have played - the lad is either fit or he isn't, regardless of the conditions. It's only a risk playing someone if they're carrying a knock.

He's either fit to play or he isn't.

If he's as fragile as he appears, he'd struggle regardless of conditions.

I assume and hope the staff and the player himself have some idea what his condition is and whether he's in a position to play, how anyone on here knows whether he's fit to play or not is beyond me - unless of course, you're on the staff at the club.

correct. its not as if all rhe club staff and the player himself knew he was not a player for heavy grounds with the time he has been at the club. could be the time now for him to just hang up his boots. younger players than him have had to retire early due to various conditions they pick up even in short careers. not everyone can be kevin ellison and playing league football after your 40th birthday.

Shows how bad our forward line is when Challinor would rather start with a lad that's not played for 3 years, in monsoon like conditions.

Challinor becoming a bit Hignettesque of late, appears to be lost for answers to our attacking problems. Its as though someone is bending his ear and he's taking in the wrong advice.

He's made some questionable decisions lately in my opinion.

anyone will be lost for answers with our attackers for the simple reason that all of em are just not good enough at this level. when you are cash strapped you end up getting the best available for a position that even premier league clubs mith millions are trying to improve on. any exiles who know of a good available striker would be best to get intouch with challinor on their knowledge.

Just watched the EFL on Quest show, loads of journeymen strikers still getting goals, Paddy Madden , James Vaughan, etc etc, but even these strikers cost the money we clearly haven't got. Im sure Challinor will be as frustrated as us , he will know the type of striker we need we can't afford. Im sure he alluded to this earlier in the season, that he couldn't bring in a player he had wanted to.

On Williams, if the club were savvy, they would've had him on some sort of training course over the last year or so, coaching badges , Physiotherapy, Sports Science etc or something completely away from the game such as HGV driver, that's if Williams wanted that, of course, he would be naïve not to, as I wouldn't recommend a job as a delivery driver for Amazon, in readiness for what always to me seemed the inevitable. If they haven't done this, then they should now. He signed a one year deal and I doubt we are going to see him on the field of play again.

As sad as it is, it has to be glaringly obvious that he just shouldn't be playing football.

Exactly so. I think the manager's best option at the minute is to give David Parkhouse an extended run in the side. If something clicks and he starts scoring goals, great. If not, Dave Challinor should approach Sheffield United and ask them to agree to cancel the loan as it's not working out for either party, then try again in the loan market or a new signing with the wages saved. Sadly, the option of flashing the cash for a 2020 version of Richie Barker isn't on the table.

A very realistic post but I do have doubts about Parkhouse

Parkhouse and Grey in a 442, give it a try DC and see how it goes. Cant see how people can write Parkhouse off, he has hardly played and when he has , he had done ok. Its the team selection and formation that is hampering us lately.

I dont understand people writing Parkhouse off either, as you say hes barely played. Much like Bloomfield they probably need a run of games to try and get on the goal trail. Bloomfield looks a really good target man and would be a great foil for another striker up top with him.

grey does have a bit of a spark about him but being a kid he needs careful handling. the problem with parkhose and the rest are they are no better than loads of others around in pools price and wage bracket. the choice is do you persevere with em or bring in similar on the off chance they,ll click.

I'm not sure about Parkhouse either, but till he gets a proper run in the side we'll never know and nor will the manager. Partly because of his Northern Ireland U-21 call up he's only started 3 league games - and scored in one of them.

It's the lack of goals which will cost us a play-off place, Challiner doesn't seem to know which is his best option and is just chopping and changing in the hope that he finds a solution. The fact is none of our "strikers" are good enough.

Back tomorrow. Make or break surely. Massive risk for Challoner as well , personally I would've waited until after Xmas. To hell with BBC Tees, I want to see this with my own eyes, so treat myself to the live stream.

Is there a game tomorrow?

ahh, Footy Trophy

If Williams starts I'm going for a 29th minute injury related substitution.

everyone should watch this if only to tell their grandchildren that you saw luke williams play. challinor has certainly picked a good game to give him another chance. be a usual shay bog of a pitch after all the rain we have had over the last few weeks down here.

They go in hard as well, had a few sent off already this season I believe. If the worst happens, the club have to admit defeat on this and do what is necessary. Hopefully this won't happen, but from where I am sitting the odds seem stacked against him.

Take a bow.

Didn't do a lot, but got 45 under his belt and a penalty to help with his confidence, so job done, for now...

The important thing is that William's not coming out for the second half was the manager's decision not the player saying he wasn't feeling right. I imagine Luke had a good night's kip over that fact alone.

A good decision IMO, as the game became a lot more physical and the pitch a lot heavier as the game progressed. Its a shame we exited this cup, as it would've been ideal for giving Williams game time. Would be surprised to see start in next 3 games, at best coming off the bench, if by any chance we happening to be winning 2-0 and seeing a game out.

if williams had no reaction from saturday i,d give him a start tomorrow night. at least with stockport they,ll play the game and not go out to kick any player for the sake of it.

I would give him a start as well and maybe be 15 mins of the second half, if all is well.

I would bring him on last 15 if we were winning 2-0