One Knee Thing

horden · **Posted:** Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:08 pm

When the populist right claim to be the standard-bearers of freedom of speech and expression, it is always a dishonest, cynical tactic. Take Nigel Farage’s reaction to Millwall fans booing their own team as they took a knee – a gesture of anti-racist solidarity. Farage cheered them for having “sussed out BLM as a Marxist mob”. He concluded with a decree by tweet: “There must be no more taking the knee.”

But taking the knee is a voluntary act by free citizens. In the months following the killing of George Floyd, footballers have repeatedly chosen to take a knee as a repudiation of racism, which – from street-level abuse to the discrimination that is hardwired into national institutions – remains an objective feature of modern western civilisation. Football players are not BBC journalists who are required to take a vow of neutrality, at least hypothetically. And even if they were, the persistence of racism is an inarguable fact, as much as the Earth being round and the sky being blue.

The rightVwing populists know what they’re doing, of course. Racism, to varying degrees, has the active support of millions. Among this demographic, even the mere mention of racism – the very idea that the life chances and experiences of black and brown people are damaged by prejudicial attitudes and discriminatory practices – provokes impulsive, knee-jerk rage. But most are canny enough not to make such a crude confession, just like that cliche of straight people discomfited by the existence of same-sex attraction: “I’ve got nothing against gay people, I just don’t like it when they shove it down our throats.”

Instead, they seek respectable get-outs for not supporting even a most basic expression of anti-racism: that Black Lives Matter UK are a “Marxist mob”, as Farage puts it, and that the footballers are expressing fealty to a dangerous revolutionary vanguard. Farage is fully aware that taking a knee isn’t owned by any organisation: it is an expression of solidarity that goes back decades, back to the US civil rights movement. But he is also aware that those provoked by the claims of minorities for equality and justice are desperate to clothe their resentment in respectability. It isn’t protests against racism in general they are opposed to, oh goodness no: just this particular protest.

The Millwall booing is a fascinating insight into the strategy of the modern populist right. They are constantly on the lookout for emotive flashpoints that can be transformed into pivotal battles in a wider war. They invert reality: despite Britain being ruled by a Conservative government with an 80-seat majority, itself infused with right wing populism, one that enjoys the editorial support of most newspapers, they cast the “woke” left as Britain’s real authoritarian rulers. They are rebels, then, against this fictional regime, rather than those actively pushing back against the demands of black people, who suffer disproportionate levels of poverty, unemployment, overcrowding in housing, or police harassment. Occupying this upside-down world – where material facts are ignored – they construe taking a knee as an act of oppressive coercion.

There is something even more cynical going on, too. Talk of privilege always provokes those who have it, because everyone wishes to believe their achievements are down to their own graft and skill, rather than being at least partly influenced by odds stacked in their favour, often from birth. Talk of “white privilege” has been deftly weaponised by right wing culture warriors. What of the millions of white people, they ask, who languish in poverty and insecurity: what possible privilege do they have? The truth, of course, is that these white people are oppressed and exploited, but not because of their whiteness, it’s because of their class; and the same right wing culture warriors support policies that condemn them to their plight, from cuts to social security to “the market is king” economics that strip away secure jobs.

It’s those condemned as the “woke” left, supposedly only caring for minorities, who support and argue for policies that would uplift and empower working-class people, whether they’re white, brown or black – from a genuine living wage to building council housing, from defending the welfare state to state intervention to create well-paid jobs. The populist right demonise the “woke” as the enemies of working-class white people; in their narrative, the real authors of this country’s misfortunes aren’t politicians cutting benefits or bosses paying poverty wages, but black people demanding equality.

The perverse irony, of course, is that those who denounce the left as easily offended “snowflakes” who revel in victimhood are most guilty of such behaviour. That’s how we arrive at the absurd idea that the British public is being subjugated by witnessing the act of a footballer taking a knee. Some will say that these culture-war tactics should be ignored, that confronting them merely plays to those stirring the pot. But the grift of the populist right must be spelled out for what it is.

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

https://www.facebook.com/talkRADIOUK/vi ... 478972143/

Two people debating the knee, one is intelligent and beautiful and talks a lot of sense and the other is Femi and the least said about him the better

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

The vast majority of people had no problem with that.
It had an impact.
Impact started waning.
Supporters allowed back into stadia.
Some supporters booed it.
Authorities condemned the boo boys.
Talk of reaction to boo boys by clapping.
Instead of highlighting the need for change and the end of racism for good, there is a danger that we have one faction booing and another faction clapping and a third faction not booing or clapping. There is a name for that. It's called division. Divisiveness is the last thing we need. We've had over four years of division through Brexit but what have we learned from it???

Imagine the scenario when the third faction get asked why they are not booing or clapping, argument starts, argument gets heated, argument turns into fighting, situation escalates, some fans get hurt, maybe seriously, others get banned, perhaps for life.
Does anybody really think that is the way to move forward??????????? Fanning the flames of hatred and division never will be the way forward.

As Mr Horden says it is getting silly.

Another thing that is silly.

It is silly to allow a political movement to use well meaning footballers and the game itself to promote their ideals. We, the lovers of the beautiful game, are allowing it to be hi jacked and it is creating division. There is no good future in this. In fact any progress being made by genuine advocates of racial equality, like most of us, is being eroded by people who have demonstrated they don't give a toss for the law and, in my opinion, don't give a toss for football.
People like John Barnes must be wringing their hands.[/quote]

Just a few points...

the taking of the knee going back centuries, BLM never advocated it, they didnt create it, Colin Kaepernick took the knee in 2016 to highlight the lack of racial equality in america. it wasnt about blm and it still isnt, the players from derby released a statement saying they were taking the knee before the game in a show of solidarity towards racial equality, nothing to do with BLM again.

The policital movement of BLM isnt using footballers, they decided to do this themselves, they want to do this, it takes 10 seconds out of the game, if it bothers you this much, i think it says more about you than someone kneeling.[/quote]

People associate it with BLM though because at the same time the players had Black Lives Matter on their kit and TV commentators have actually said taking the knee in support for BLM. The association is there and as BLM is a political organisation people see it as BLM using football. No one has gone any distance whatsoever to refute this. Probably because the evidence of connection is there for all to see, apart from you.

Taking the knee doesn't bother me one little bit. I believe in freedom of choice, as long as it's within the law. They can take the knee until the cows come home it has no affect on me. My only gripe with taking the knee is it's perceived association with an organisation that deliberately flaunts the law. I wouldn't boo it nor would I clap it. As I have said before, I think it is

What a fantastic write up Mr Derwent :clap:

[/quote]

Thanks Mate.

Les Ferdinand said it had been diluted.
More and more players not taking it.
More and more people saying keep politics out of sport.

I tell you people are simply fed up with it.

But what is worse it is destroying years of work to get people educated into condemning racism. We are going backwards and the gullible can't see they are supporting
the backward movement. :angry-screaming:

[/quote]

It was a good post , but you have sort of ruined it with this reply. You are not a racist, but not so sure about your mate.[/quote]

You referring to me there ???

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

horden wrote:

It’s those condemned as the “woke” left, supposedly only caring for minorities, who support and argue for policies that would uplift and empower working-class people, whether they’re white, brown or black – from a genuine living wage to building council housing, from defending the welfare state to state intervention to create well-paid jobs. The populist right demonise the “woke” as the enemies of working-class white people; in their narrative, the real authors of this country’s misfortunes aren’t politicians cutting benefits or bosses paying poverty wages, but black people demanding equality.

One of Diane Abbots tweets mr horden ?

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

Johnjo1 wrote:

Did the kick it out campaign make any difference NO Will taking the knee make any difference NO

and really in this country is there that much difference to actually make. there will always be racists about no matter how many campaigns you have. it will never get down to zero numbers. however racists are from all sectiof all communities and not just from the far right white folk. quicker we divorce ourselves from actions in the USA the better. there are other countries in the world.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

verbalkint wrote:

Do you really think all the players want to keep this tarce up of bending the knee because i dont they just to scared not to for fear of the backlash they would get

If a few stopped doing it then a whole lot more woukd and we could get back to watching football without all this complete and utter bollocks

like everything in life and especially nowadays with social media it would take a brave man to be the first. all these players seem its a necessoty to be on facebook etc. and they,ll know what shit they,d get if they did. i really hope some player will do this but its not time to hold your breath.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

horden wrote:

When the populist right claim to be the standard-bearers of freedom of speech and expression, it is always a dishonest, cynical tactic. Take Nigel Farage’s reaction to Millwall fans booing their own team as they took a knee – a gesture of anti-racist solidarity. Farage cheered them for having “sussed out BLM as a Marxist mob”. He concluded with a decree by tweet: “There must be no more taking the knee.”

But taking the knee is a voluntary act by free citizens. In the months following the killing of George Floyd, footballers have repeatedly chosen to take a knee as a repudiation of racism, which – from street-level abuse to the discrimination that is hardwired into national institutions – remains an objective feature of modern western civilisation. Football players are not BBC journalists who are required to take a vow of neutrality, at least hypothetically. And even if they were, the persistence of racism is an inarguable fact, as much as the Earth being round and the sky being blue.

The rightVwing populists know what they’re doing, of course. Racism, to varying degrees, has the active support of millions. Among this demographic, even the mere mention of racism – the very idea that the life chances and experiences of black and brown people are damaged by prejudicial attitudes and discriminatory practices – provokes impulsive, knee-jerk rage. But most are canny enough not to make such a crude confession, just like that cliche of straight people discomfited by the existence of same-sex attraction: “I’ve got nothing against gay people, I just don’t like it when they shove it down our throats.”

Instead, they seek respectable get-outs for not supporting even a most basic expression of anti-racism: that Black Lives Matter UK are a “Marxist mob”, as Farage puts it, and that the footballers are expressing fealty to a dangerous revolutionary vanguard. Farage is fully aware that taking a knee isn’t owned by any organisation: it is an expression of solidarity that goes back decades, back to the US civil rights movement. But he is also aware that those provoked by the claims of minorities for equality and justice are desperate to clothe their resentment in respectability. It isn’t protests against racism in general they are opposed to, oh goodness no: just this particular protest.

The Millwall booing is a fascinating insight into the strategy of the modern populist right. They are constantly on the lookout for emotive flashpoints that can be transformed into pivotal battles in a wider war. They invert reality: despite Britain being ruled by a Conservative government with an 80-seat majority, itself infused with right wing populism, one that enjoys the editorial support of most newspapers, they cast the “woke” left as Britain’s real authoritarian rulers. They are rebels, then, against this fictional regime, rather than those actively pushing back against the demands of black people, who suffer disproportionate levels of poverty, unemployment, overcrowding in housing, or police harassment. Occupying this upside-down world – where material facts are ignored – they construe taking a knee as an act of oppressive coercion.

There is something even more cynical going on, too. Talk of privilege always provokes those who have it, because everyone wishes to believe their achievements are down to their own graft and skill, rather than being at least partly influenced by odds stacked in their favour, often from birth. Talk of “white privilege” has been deftly weaponised by right wing culture warriors. What of the millions of white people, they ask, who languish in poverty and insecurity: what possible privilege do they have? The truth, of course, is that these white people are oppressed and exploited, but not because of their whiteness, it’s because of their class; and the same right wing culture warriors support policies that condemn them to their plight, from cuts to social security to “the market is king” economics that strip away secure jobs.

It’s those condemned as the “woke” left, supposedly only caring for minorities, who support and argue for policies that would uplift and empower working-class people, whether they’re white, brown or black – from a genuine living wage to building council housing, from defending the welfare state to state intervention to create well-paid jobs. The populist right demonise the “woke” as the enemies of working-class white people; in their narrative, the real authors of this country’s misfortunes aren’t politicians cutting benefits or bosses paying poverty wages, but black people demanding equality.

The perverse irony, of course, is that those who denounce the left as easily offended “snowflakes” who revel in victimhood are most guilty of such behaviour. That’s how we arrive at the absurd idea that the British public is being subjugated by witnessing the act of a footballer taking a knee. Some will say that these culture-war tactics should be ignored, that confronting them merely plays to those stirring the pot. But the grift of the populist right must be spelled out for what it is.

Plagiarism. ??????

Black people have the right to demand equality, as have everybody else but don't you think that "I'm alright Jack" millionaires, with their smart cars in the car park and salaries the average fan can only dream about, getting down on one knee in front of those fans is hardly the recipe for promoting equality, especially when it takes the average fan behind the goal years and years to earn the money those guys earn in a month. Perhaps the booing reflects that.
If you were given the job of persuading the general public to promote the use of clean, efficient public transport, would you do it by getting a bunch of millionaires to park their gas guzzling cars in the centre of town, get out, take the knee beside the car, whilst wearing a T shirt emblazoned with "The environment matters"??????

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

accrington fan wrote:

verbalkint wrote:

Do you really think all the players want to keep this tarce up of bending the knee because i dont they just to scared not to for fear of the backlash they would get

If a few stopped doing it then a whole lot more woukd and we could get back to watching football without all this complete and utter bollocks

like everything in life and especially nowadays with social media it would take a brave man to be the first. all these players seem its a necessoty to be on facebook etc. and they,ll know what shit they,d get if they did. i really hope some player will do this but its not time to hold your breath.

I read somewhere that last weekend quite a number players didn't take the knee. I don't know how true that is but as quite a lot of games are televised someone might be able to validate the claim or otherwise.

loan_star · **Posted:** Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:39 pm

derwent wrote:

I read somewhere that last weekend quite a number players didn't take the knee. I don't know how true that is but as quite a lot of games are televised someone might be able to validate the claim or otherwise.

Boro stopped doing it a while back, whether they have started again I don't know.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

derwent wrote:

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I read somewhere that last weekend quite a number players didn't take the knee. I don't know how true that is but as quite a lot of games are televised someone might be able to validate the claim or otherwise.

did they stop doing it as a team or more importantly individual players not doing it.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

[quote="derwent"][

Black people have the right to demand equality,
they do. however there will only be equality for everyone the second you are born. there is no such thing as total wquality for all and its unrealistic even in 2020 for anyone to obtain it. it however does not stop people trying to improve their lot but they must realize that the sky is not their limit. anyone who thinks that we,ll ever get a PM who was brought up on a rough estate no matter what colour of their skin are in for a long wait.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

accrington fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

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I read somewhere that last weekend quite a number players didn't take the knee. I don't know how true that is but as quite a lot of games are televised someone might be able to validate the claim or otherwise.

did they stop doing it as a team or more importantly individual players not doing it.

No idea, which is why I asked had anybody seen it.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

accrington fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

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Black people have the right to demand equality,
they do. however there will only be equality for everyone the second you are born. there is no such thing as total wquality for all and its unrealistic even in 2020 for anyone to obtain it. it however does not stop people trying to improve their lot but they must realize that the sky is not their limit. anyone who thinks that we,ll ever get a PM who was brought up on a rough estate no matter what colour of their skin are in for a long wait.

I think we need to qualify what is meant by equality. My interpretation is equality of opportunity which is what the black people seem to desire. They want to erase the possibility of being classed as second best just because they are black. That is what I've found when discussing the subject with them.

The only chance anybody has to become PM, as things stand, is to become a member of the Conservative or Labour party. If you come from a posh area, with extremely rich parents, get educated at Eton and Oxford, then join the Lib Dems, you'll have a long wait to become PM as well. Your person from the rough estate probably has more chance of getting there before the posh person if he/she joins one of the main parties. But as you say they are both facing a long wait.

loan_star · **Posted:** Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:10 pm

No taking the knee at Boro today. Both Boro and Millwall held a banner up in support of racial equality, no mention of BLM.
Good on them.

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

skysports sank to a new low yesterday having someone who apparently is a celebrity that is as camp as a row of pink tents commenting from one of the matches

He was complete and utter tosh waving his arms about talking utter shite and didnt have a clue about football ! just another skysports stunt to dhow how diverse they are. Why cant they leave all this shit out of football

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

verbalkint wrote:

skysports sank to a new low yesterday having someone who apparently is a celebrity that is as camp as a row of pink tents commenting from one of the matches

He was complete and utter tosh waving his arms about talking utter shite and didnt have a clue about football ! just another skysports stunt to dhow how diverse they are. Why cant they leave all this shit out of football

https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2020/09/ ... w_bbc_boss

The Eddie Izzard Xmas show will be next mr verbal.

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

But the likes of graham Norton and alan carr can make innuendos ooooooohhhh i like a big one etc

and dont get me started on the Barrymore fella if i ever bumped into him id give him a good fisting

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

verbalkint wrote:

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

But the likes of graham Norton and alan carr can make innuendos ooooooohhhh i like a big one etc

and dont get me started on the Barrymore fella if i ever bumped into him id give him a good fisting

That last comment sounds really weird.

Mad how you hate 3 openly gay comedians.

Homophobic aswell ?

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 7516

verbalkint wrote:

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

But the likes of graham Norton and alan carr can make innuendos ooooooohhhh i like a big one etc

and dont get me started on the Barrymore fella if i ever bumped into him id give him a good fisting

Me thinks both you and Barrymore would enjoy that.

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

Yubep wrote:

verbalkint wrote:

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

But the likes of graham Norton and alan carr can make innuendos ooooooohhhh i like a big one etc

and dont get me started on the Barrymore fella if i ever bumped into him id give him a good fisting

That last comment sounds really weird.

Mad how you hate 3 openly gay comedians.

Homophobic aswell ?

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

Yubep wrote:

verbalkint wrote:

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

But the likes of graham Norton and alan carr can make innuendos ooooooohhhh i like a big one etc

and dont get me started on the Barrymore fella if i ever bumped into him id give him a good fisting

That last comment sounds really weird.

Mad how you hate 3 openly gay comedians.

Homophobic aswell ?

for the record i dont hate Norton or Carr i do hate Barrymore and not because he is a nufter ive never liked him

I do like Norton he has grown on me and his show is good as for Carr undecided

As for fisting him it was tongue in cheek so wind your neck in, i have a very good friend who takes it up the wrong un and i think the world of him so no im not homophobic, anyway the more gays the better it means more women for us real men

and as for your homophobic aswell ? as well as what ?

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

You could share your experiences of seeing builders arse on show mr verbal.. :laugh:

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Mick our joiner the worst one.

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

Sussex UK wrote:

You could share your experiences of seeing builders arse on show mr verbal.. :laugh:

I've seen my fair share of mens arses my mate over the years

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

verbalkint wrote:

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

that's proper sad mr verbal.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Ricky Gervais has no problem with offending people, he gives zero shits, he'd be on tour now if it wasnt for corona and is planning after life season 3.

Im sure nufters who take it up the wrongun are delighted you have no problem with them.

Jesus what a thread this is!

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

verbalkint wrote:

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

https://twitter.com/Botanygeek/status/1 ... 0268777473

I wonder what they'll make of this down the allotment ??

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Roses are red, violets are blue.

RACIST !!!

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Canary's r Yellow.
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accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

verbalkint wrote:

Yubep wrote:

verbalkint wrote:

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

But the likes of graham Norton and alan carr can make innuendos ooooooohhhh i like a big one etc

and dont get me started on the Barrymore fella if i ever bumped into him id give him a good fisting

That last comment sounds really weird.

Mad how you hate 3 openly gay comedians.

Homophobic aswell ?

hating 3 openly gay comedians is the same as hating 3 straight ones as long as its their act you do not like and not their sexuality. same as hating 3 female or 3 black ones. in this day and age its getting increasingly difficult to say something against women and minorities in general without some ist being levelled at you.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22669

I can put up with Norton and even Barrymore but Alan Carr is as funny as piles. Not a great comparison for a pillow biter admittedly.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

back to the knee thing. its a good job pools players didn,t do it on saturday as i,m sure some would have needed physio treatment in doing this and may have been out till the new year.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

accrington fan wrote:

verbalkint wrote:

Yubep wrote:

verbalkint wrote:

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

But the likes of graham Norton and alan carr can make innuendos ooooooohhhh i like a big one etc

and dont get me started on the Barrymore fella if i ever bumped into him id give him a good fisting

That last comment sounds really weird.

Mad how you hate 3 openly gay comedians.

Homophobic aswell ?

hating 3 openly gay comedians is the same as hating 3 straight ones as long as its their act you do not like and not their sexuality. same as hating 3 female or 3 black ones. in this day and age its getting increasingly difficult to say something against women and minorities in general without some ist being levelled at you.

So you want to say things against minorities and women and are a bit upset you cant anymore?

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

there was a comment further up about a pools player running about like he was autistic how come you never jumped on the poster of that after all isnt that mocking autistic people ?

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I didnt it i havent read every single post.

That doesnt make accrington fans comments any less alright just cos someone else mentioned autistic people.

This thread reads like a 1970's social club mens only room.

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

piss taking has been around for ever as long as its light hearted and not bullying i dont see the harm ive got gay mates coloured mates (am i allowed to say that ) and they give as good as they get they know its all in jest

For the record im neither a giver or a taker

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

Yubep wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

verbalkint wrote:

Yubep wrote:

verbalkint wrote:

Its just gone mad proper comedians like steve coogan and ricky Gervais wont brring any new stuff out for fear of upsetting any of specific group of people

But the likes of graham Norton and alan carr can make innuendos ooooooohhhh i like a big one etc

and dont get me started on the Barrymore fella if i ever bumped into him id give him a good fisting

That last comment sounds really weird.

Mad how you hate 3 openly gay comedians.

Homophobic aswell ?

hating 3 openly gay comedians is the same as hating 3 straight ones as long as its their act you do not like and not their sexuality. same as hating 3 female or 3 black ones. in this day and age its getting increasingly difficult to say something against women and minorities in general without some ist being levelled at you.

So you want to say things against minorities and women and are a bit upset you cant anymore?

I don't think Mr Accy is saying that at all, he is merely saying he's got to be careful what he says when it comes to those groups because people like you deliberately misconstrue them as you did with Mr Kint by calling him Homophobic. You actually said homophobic as well and when Mr Kint asked you what you meant by as well you have so far declined to answer. You seem to be concentrating on straight white males with your abuse for some reason but it is not going to continue. You can be sure of that. You are giving me the impression that you are out to cause trouble and division on this board but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. Keep it civil, there's a good lad.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Next thing will see is them wokey types screaming hysterically at sinister messages hidden in their xmas card verses ..

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

Yubep wrote:

hating 3 openly gay comedians is the same as hating 3 straight ones as long as its their act you do not like and not their sexuality. same as hating 3 female or 3 black ones. in this day and age its getting increasingly difficult to say something against women and minorities in general without some ist being levelled at you.

So you want to say things against minorities and women and are a bit upset you cant anymore?[/quote]
who says i cannot. if someone in your eyes are shit then they are shit. you do not need to find the colour, sexual preference or gender of anyone before making a comment. this is the problem with many in this country at the moment. people trying to silence those who have an opinion which may not be theirs. looking at your comment it seems older folk who didn,t enjoy rock hudson films now have to enjoy them and like him due to his sexuality coming out. the day you cannot comment on acts people have and what you enjoy then its the day we should all pack up.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

well you can, you can say what you want, but if what you are saying is offensive to the person you are saying it too maybe its just bloody offensive and you shouldnt say it?

I dont know why you'd want to say things against minorities or women, that comment still baffles me.

It probably speaks volumes for your character than it does the acts of those people.

Also i have no idea who rock hudson is.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

So you want to say things against minorities and women and are a bit upset you cant anymore?[/quote]

I don't think Mr Accy is saying that at all, he is merely saying he's got to be careful what he says when it comes to those groups because people like you deliberately misconstrue them as you did with Mr Kint by calling him Homophobic. You actually said homophobic as well and when Mr Kint asked you what you meant by as well you have so far declined to answer. You seem to be concentrating on straight white males with your abuse for some reason but it is not going to continue. You can be sure of that. You are giving me the impression that you are out to cause trouble and division on this board but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. Keep it civil, there's a good lad.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

I'm not misconstruing anything. the guy says you cant say anything against a women or a minority.

To say something against something is not really going to be a nice comment is it?

If i walked into work tomorrow and said im against women and gays playing football, thats not gunna do down well and will be a bit offensive, rightly so too.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

Yubep wrote:

So you want to say things against minorities and women and are a bit upset you cant anymore?

I don't think Mr Accy is saying that at all, he is merely saying he's got to be careful what he says when it comes to those groups because people like you deliberately misconstrue them as you did with Mr Kint by calling him Homophobic. You actually said homophobic as well and when Mr Kint asked you what you meant by as well you have so far declined to answer. You seem to be concentrating on straight white males with your abuse for some reason but it is not going to continue. You can be sure of that. You are giving me the impression that you are out to cause trouble and division on this board but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. Keep it civil, there's a good lad.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

I'm not misconstruing anything. the guy says you cant say anything against a women or a minority.

To say something against something is not really going to be a nice comment is it?

If i walked into work tomorrow and said im against women and gays playing football, thats not gunna do down well and will be a bit offensive, rightly so too.

You mention further up that offensive remarks shouldn't be accepted and I agree wholeheartedly, however calling people racist and homophobic can hardly be classed as complimentary, especially when the recipients refute the notion. It is not a nice comment is it, so if you are against not so nice comments don't you think you should practise what you preach. Just a thought for you to consider.

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

yes my feelings have been hurt derwent im going to sit under the stairs and sulk and i wont be coming out untill i get a sorry with a kiss on the end of it

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

take care hun x o x o

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

Yubep wrote:

take care hun x o x o

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

verbalkint wrote:

yes my feelings have been hurt derwent im going to sit under the stairs and sulk and i wont be coming out untill i get a sorry with a kiss on the end of it

You'll get lots of prezzies at Xmas, with a specially nice one from Mr Yubep, Mr Kint.
And they all lived happily ever after.
THE END (fingers crossed)

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

No kissing under the mistletoe allowed this year.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

Yubep wrote:

well you can, you can say what you want, but if what you are saying is offensive to the person you are saying it too maybe its just bloody offensive and you shouldnt say it?

I dont know why you'd want to say things against minorities or women, that comment still baffles me.

It probably speaks volumes for your character than it does the acts of those people.

Also i have no idea who rock hudson is.

think you are either twisting what i said or making something out of something thats not there. its mainly a remark about commedians and people on the stage. still cannot understand why you should have no opinion against minorities yet you can have them about others. if their act or performance is not your thing then it isn,t. same when we criticize one player or another. its about their performance and sod all to do with anything else. if they fall into a certain catogary then so be it. anyway lets end it now as i,m sure its getting boring now for others.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

It got boring on page 1, and pretty offensive.

I was directly quoting your words mate and you said that you cant say anything against minorities and women in this day and age and i'm still once again wondering why you'd want too.

I'm not a minority, i'm not a woman, so i dont really know what its like to have jokes or offensive comments made against me to a worldwide audience. I cant imagine its very nice though.

If you like you can send me a photo of yourself and i can record a video of me making jokes at your expense based on your appearance and things you have no control over. Also let me know a few things about your conditions or up bringing and i'll hammer you over that too.

We can then both see just how fuckin funny that is too.

Maybe have a think about that next time you wonder why minorities get offended.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19758

[quote="Yubep"]

If you like you can send me a photo of yourself and i can record a video of me making jokes at your expense based on your appearance and things you have no control over. Also let me know a few things about your conditions or up bringing and i'll hammer you over that too.

We can then both see just how fuckin funny that is too.

wanted to leave it but you are forcing a reply. i,ve been on about celebrities on the box i do not like and sod all to do with minorities. whats the difference in disliking jim davidsons act or alan carrs one. its sod all to do with their sexuality its just their bloody act you do not like. why should you pretend to like carrs because he is a minority person. for the money these people are on anyway i doubt they care a toss what people think about em anyway. doubt there has ever been one single actor or commedian who are liked by all, it does not work that way. when we are allowed to the vic again you are quite happy to take a video of me and find out everything you want to know. you can then post it anywhere you want but the problem is not being of the snowflake generation it would not bother me one bit. it does however show the wider world that i do exist. defo the last post on the subject.

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