Good side though from the English Riveria........?

I'd start with the keeper, one of the worst I've ever seen at pools, does not command his area and rarely saves anything barring penalties. Donaldson just non existent and featherstone cant cope against the better teams.

You are spot on there. Torquay have a much better blend of youth and experience. Our strikers Parkhouse, Bloomfield and Grey have only a handful of first team games between them - Wright has 400-odd on his own! It was the same story in defence.

Odusina going off injured early on was the proverbial accident waiting to happen. It was a huge risk to start the season with only 5 recognised defenders - no idea why Aaron Cunningham was allowed to go out on a season-long loan when we were that short handed. Raj was singing Dave Challinor's praises in the interview for getting 'value for money' with the squad he has assembled. Well, tonight has shown that promotion on the cheap isn't an option in this league.

Molyneux was absolutely the only Pools starter tonight who came out of the game with any credit, so if we are going to start singling players out for blame it will be a long list. For me, Ferguson's under no pressure pass to an unmarked Torquay forward for their third goal was the killer, but he was no worse than a bunch of others.

Because we haven't a pot to piss in. The club off the field is a joke at the minute, luckily for raj things have been deflected away from the mess by early results against easier opposition, hence the timing of his interview, in which he decided to call certain pools fans for questioning him not having the finances, even he himself had said money had ran out in October, so bit of a strange comment to label at some pools fans. We are building a team from the lower leagues and tonight we looked leagues lower than another conference team.

Macclesfield got promoted on a tight budget a couple of seasons back because they had hard working players who didn't throw in the towel and had a good blend on their side. E very season weve been in this league weve missed leaders on the pitch, players who have played at this level and know the rough and tumble of it. Today's inept showing has proved we lack that still, players like Donaldson, Shelton and parkhouse just coasting through the game never looking involved. Johnson looked like a player kidderminster didn't think was good enough, odusina looks uncomfortable without liddle alongside him,we still dont have a midfield enforcer and we lack a player up front like Danny Wright who has been there and done it. It is only one game but it was an alarming performance and totally unacceptable. Felt sorry for molyneux who kept trying all game and Bloomfield won flick ons and held it up well but that means nothing if players dont get around him.

Our 1st 11 can compete but take 2/3 out of it and we are sadly lacking.

From a Torquay point of view we were indeed excellent tonight. Your defence were poor tonight for sure. Its early season so hopefully a kick up the ass for you. I've been coming up for years for weekend away up there and had a few 4 -1 s and 3 nil drubbing and a draw always been a good result. This is certainly a more average division and stockport, Notts will be there and . Chesterfield are a basket case and yeovil are average this season. Playoffs is a possibility for you.

A very measured response from Dave Chalinor after the game considering he must have been totally embarrassed by that display. Made mention of the fact that the defence weren't man enough to put their heads in where it hurt. If only we had a couple of players with the will of the likes of Raynes & Anderson. OK , I don't think anyone was surprised that they were let go, but we could certainly have used that sort of attitude tonight.

Really hope your lads are the best team in the division - otherwise we're screwed

Those of us who questioned our defensive performance in a 6-0 win against 8th tier opposition have been proved right. There is a difference between watching and seeing.

Did I hear DC right in his post match interview that ‘we have a full week next week and the week after that to work on things’ when in fact we have the rearranged game at Barnet on Tuesday? Does he not know?

Been postponed

Why does our keeper dive backwards instead of 90 degrees to his left or right. .
A Halloween horror show by pools.

We certainly played well for 90mins which made a change. Tuesday at Aldershot we were poor first half. Manager made a change in formation and it worked a treat. The manager wants 90 minute performances but apart from Bromley mosthave had one half. Consistently now is what we want.

Ya posting on the wrong message board.
Yours is 368 miles away.

About the best thing now is to hope for a better performance v Salford.

Missed Liddle massively

spot on. didn,t expect a win but neither did i expect that scoreline. did not see the game thanks to BT sports but i imagine i would have done todays version of leaving early, switching the live stream off. by the sound of it we cannot even find consolation for other odd results yesterday in solihull and stockport getting beat. need some experianced new faces in quickly with an injury list getting bigger but where is the money coming from. a week certainly is a long time in football.

Torquay cleared their lines quickly and efficiently. No chancy passing amongst the back five, kept their passing simple but efficient without continuously giving it away, moved the ball quickly through the midfield and had players who can take chances.
When we return to the training ground to "work on things" before our next league game, I would respectfully request the Mr Challinor and his staff concentrate on the areas I have just mentioned.
Skills like passing the ball accurately, shooting in a composed manner and on target, defending as a unit and not individually, closing space down when not in possession and finding the movement to create space when we have possession and last but not least concentrate on the job you have been given.
When the coaching starts to produce results in the areas I have mentioned, come back to me and I'll give you the next level of coaching I require.

I didn’t realise that Challoner and staff would not of noticed these faults. Good on you Derwent for passing your knowledge on. None of us noticed this. Let’s get some experienced coaches in.

I'm sure Challinor and his staff have noticed these faults as you called them.
Do you think, having noticed them, he might address them. Noticing them is one thing and doing something about it is another thing.
However you can rest assured I'll keep nudging them in the right direction, so you needn't worry.

I would like to hear what Brian Clough has to say.

Derwent do you think he didn’t try before the match. In his interview after the cup tie he pointed out that it could have bee 15 - 5. Obviously noting the defence frailties and I’m sure he would have tried something out in training but there’s that saying ‘once they cross the white line’.

In his post-match interview on the OS Dave Challinor says he's expecting to get a few players in next week. Fantastic, as long as one of them is a Michael Raynes type - an experienced centre back who's not getting his game at his current club. While we're at it, can we have a Billy Painter type of centre forward on loan as well?

I have no idea what he is trying. He doesn't confide in me. Whatever he is trying however is not seeming to be working, therefore the problem still needs addressing because it hasn't gone away or improved.
He appears to be hinting that something has to be done which effectively means he is basically agreeing with me, because that is all I am saying.
On your point referencing "once they cross the white line". Yes I have heard that excuse made on several occasions. What it means to me is the players are not doing as they were told or they don't agree with the instructions in the first place. It's his job to manage the players to follow instructions. Do you actually think the players are ignoring him??? Now that is a very serious accusation which incidently I don't think is the case but you may be right in suggesting it.

Yeah he appears to be frustrated with what is going on and I dare say he isn't the only one.
We do need a bit more experience and leadership in the squad and he has to bust a gut to get Raj to open the till.
It is a fact that he signed our defenders. It is a fact that he signed our attackers and a couple of midfielders. Raj backed his recommendations. He has a big task asking Raj for further funds to shore them up.
I wish him well.

[quote="derwent"]Torquay cleared their lines quickly and efficiently. No chancy passing amongst the back five,
why teams do this is beyond me. you get this chuckle brothers routine without much movement up front and then you just get a hoof downfield eventually. the keeper might just have done this in the first place. like all football. one team trys something and quickly the majority follow.

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Yeah he appears to be frustrated with what is going on and I dare say he isn't the only one.
We do need a bit more experience and leadership in the squad and he has to bust a gut to get Raj to open the till.

if he cannot get past the moths in the till and a few more non performances as saturday seemed to be it will be taxi for dave challinor. he,d have booked it himself.

Challinor will be backing himself 100% to not let one diabolically poor performance ruin the season. Last Saturday was horrible and Pools will be on a hiding to nothing at Salford, depending what happens with injured players and any new signings through the week. That doesn't change the fact that Pools' results since January are still among the best in this league

You were warned , it was coming.

We finished last season on a high and with a couple of pretty decent players. It was critical we got Southam Hales, the budget put paid to that then lost a forward that looked like a goal poacher due to supposed homesickness. We have gone into this season with someone from royston an under 21 and a lad that's has a dreadful record of scoring as our forward line. Challinor hasnt a hope in hell of making that forward line a success over 46 games.

Add a rather dodgy keeper who doesnt appear capable of saving anything with his hands other than the odd penalty and the usual suspects of Donaldson and Featherstone, one is invisible most of the season, the other one disappears when the opposition are actually half decent, but is the only one who seems can pass a ball from a to b, but how many times have we been overrun in midfield for the last 5 years?

It's a minor miracle we have produced the results we have this season and some of those performances we got off very lightly. We are crying out for a couple of quality conference lads who have done it week in week out in this league. A good keeper, central defender and a lad who knows where the 6 yard box is let alone the goal would be a start for this forward line. I'd take last years front 3 in a heartbeat over these untested lads. This season could turn very quickly if were not careful, we haven't played any of the fancied teams yet.

See Tranmere sacked their manager, I wonder if Mark Palios has noticed how good our results have been since January

See Tranmere sacked their manager, I wonder if Mark Palios has noticed how good our results have been since January [/quote]

If you carry on like this much longer Horden we'll have to get a room

Can't see these new signings targets been much better than what we've already got.

Doesn't matter who is manager the recruitment is piss poor and has been for a while now.
A swing door of replacing shit with shit and hopeing we get lucky is not the answer for upward progress.

Can't see both DC and Singy been here next season.

I know it was only one bad result but my usual optimism is dwindling rapidly.

I think we’re in danger of overreacting. It was a very poor performance of course but the team is better than that and still fifth. It was a game of their best performance against our worst.

I am inclined to agree Mr I. This league is unbelievably erratic , akin to a horse race more than a football season, with teams coming from nowhere and other teams going into freefall for no particular reason. This defeat could be a blessing, though it needs to be managed well , otherwise as good as some think we are, if things are nipped in the bud , we are that good to be beyond going into freefall ourselves. Already I detect a bit of dressing room unrest, and IMO Challinor faces his first big Hartlepool management test. Although I am a big fan of DC , it is largely his team and his signings so he can have no complaints if things dont work out. I can't for the life of me, figure out why he isn't starting Grey, giving Williams a run out or re-caled Cunningham from Blyth so that we have a defender on the bench.

Maybe our win at Maidenhead was our Torquay moment, Maidenhead could've been 4 up in that game, but couldn't convert their chances, they are converting them now. And what of Chesterfield and their donkey striker Tom Denton ?. He may be a one-trick pony, but he knows where the goal is , imagine if we had him in our team, or maybe we already have in Parkhouse, who managed properly , playing alongside a good strike partner in a formation that suits, has the look of a young Steve Fletcher , and could be the answer. If he isnt, whats the betting he will be banging in the goals for someone else next season?.

There will be many twists and turns along the way, with us winning 5-0 away and maybe again getting hammered at home, its football , but not as we know it. I have always said between 7th and 10th for us, nothing I have seen so far has changed my mind. What we need, and what we have needed for a few seasons now, is to hammer someone 5-0 at home , rather than doing it away at the likes of Aldershot , Maidenhead and Chesterfield. We have to find some way to win our home games, even without fans.

without a full squad to pick from a performance like that was coming. defensivly it actually showed at ilkeston , went on to the altrincham game and ended up with last saturdays shit fest. with every player available pools are a top 5 club. when they are not they are a bottom 5 one. no real strength in depth at all especiaaly at the back where the side picks itself.

Let’s be realistic did you ever think we had an owner who was going to plough large sums of money into getting players. I have no idea what Raj’s intentions were when he bought the club but whilst he may be rich by our standards I don’t think he is a ‘sugar daddy’ owner willing to plough large amounts of money at it. On those lines I believe we are middle to top half of the league with our budget.
As for the players brought in I have always been of the opinion that if you bring in 5 or 6 free transfers you’ll be lucky to get 2 or 3 successes.

Slightly off topic but this Muslim/terrorism is bound to come to England again bfor Xmas.


France yet again.
Austria.


They infiltrate around the world then interbreed until they have took over.

Plus not much rebellion against China for introducing covid19.

God help our future generations if Sir Donald Trump gets voted out.

But don't worry be happy.

UTP.

China has done a better job on us than all terrorists could wish for, Bastards!

OK Donald, Hows the voting going anyway.

Bit like saying Covid is slightly inconvenient

Welcome to the doom mongers club Johnjo

It certainly is Daz, did you enjoy today's game ?

Can I claim the ‘stay calm’ prize?

Big naughty of you resurrecting this thread Barrie. These are thin times for the Doom Mongers Club, but you know their motto: "Behind every silver lining there's a cloud." Got to keep it going till May now. UTP.

I can only apologize

Thanks mate !

Ooh, I feel a little smug about my posts on this thread

So do I, mate. DC took notice of my quotes from my basic coaching manual and, as a result, we got promoted. DC is a shrewd laddie who knows good advice when he sees it.