has anybody seen this? it looks like the club has agreed something with the nwc where they help manage the club in return for donations

https://www.thehartofourclub1908.co.uk/

Links (although not working) to Heads of Terms and a Memorandum of Understanding. Sounds a bit serious! Gives their address at Victoria Park too.

Which is 100% just nicked off the trust website

They started fundraising for the club last season:

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/more-to-come-from-north-west-corner/

If they want to do more now on the volunteering side and keep their own identity, why not? There's a 60+ year age difference among some fans, we're not all going to go in exactly the same direction. Being Poolies is what counts, especially in these mad times.

The NWC can do as it wishes, but it has slagged the trust off for years then pretty much copied off it word for word with its objectives and aims. Funny that

If the links ain’t working how do you know it’s the same

The website address isn’t even working?

I read it too, John. It’s pretty much word for word the same.

Having objected angrily and vocally to having a trust, it seems having two trusts is now ok? Spectacularly divisive move unless there’s something I’m missing?

Reading the site before it went down. It’s objectives are exactly the same as a trust, like I said irony, only it appears to want to just hand over money to the club, wanting nothing in return.

I’m sure raj is ecstatic, I would be too.

Like I said people can do what they like, 100% up to them, but to slag a trust off then pretty much lift it’s mission statement is bizarre.

I suspect the sites been pulled as it offered training ground tours and the chance to sit in with Dave challinor for a team talk, he will have been buzzing with that, having a few 17 year old lads in the corner looking rare as fuck whilst he discusses the weekend tactics.

This is what I mean about the club being poorly run. The Chairman and CEO job should involve pulling everyone together, going in the same directon , singing from the same hymn sheet. What we have had is CEO who either have thrown their lot in with one side or the other, or playing devils advocate and courting two groups at once. The Chairman, Directors and CEO should be running the club, thats what they are paid to do, not leaving it to the supporters, especially a fanbase that is fractured and groups and indiviiduals within those groups that appear to openly despise each other.

Never mind Hart of the club , Raj , Maguire and now Jesper have ripped the heart out of the club.

And we’ve also seen some fans use that same situation for their own game. Too many individuals in it for their own glory rather than knuckling down and looking at what’s best for our club.

I’m very surprised you came out and said this. You normally stay in the background and rely on your mouthpieces to spread the division.

So while you’re making a public appearance, are we missing anything about this 2nd trust, given your previous anti-trust stance?

Is having a trust a good idea after all?

I’m very surprised you came out and said this. You normally stay in the background and rely on your mouthpieces to spread the division.

So while you’re making a public appearance, are we missing anything about this 2nd trust, given your previous anti-trust stance?

Is having a trust a good idea after all?

I wish it was like the pre internet days when us poolies were UNITED as one.
Like has been said the fans are divided and some groups think they are better than others.
Wudent be surprised if Raj n Co allow a few of the super fans in the Vic v Aldershot.
United.

[quote="kevin pooles gloves"]I wish it was like the pre internet days when us poolies were UNITED as one.
Like has been said the fans are divided and some groups think they are better than others.

football fans at every club have never been united. the internet has not helped as you get more views from fans you do not know. as for groups its always best to stay clear. have had my hands burned in the past being on a classic car club commitee where the in fighting peed me off so much i resigned and sold my cars. same could happen with support for pools if you get too close.

Singh and his CEO should lead from the front. Accept help from the groups, but let them know who runs the show. As it is , it seems Singh and his CEO are using these groups to claw back as much money as possible before his departure , through donations and volunteers doing what where previously paid roles.

I don't think any group, even though they are well intentioned , should be subsidising Raj's incompetence.

Hes had the Goldline Lottery money off fans since March even tho the draws were stopped
Hes had £30 k off fans towards the playing budget
Hes had season ticket money off fans for games played behind closed doors
He wants £100k of the 1st Trust
Hes now asked Walter Mitty Shithead to set up a 2nd Trust using the club address and phone number where members pay monthly by direct debit and all the money goes directly to Raj

But when genuine American buyers want to put £2 million into the club he sends them packing to Wrexham
Time to turn the money tap off

Not forgetting of course the wages being paid out I have no idea but £15k. - K20K per week would not surprise me for players,manager,coaches etc.

Two Different Groups One wants to own the Club the other wants to Help the Club!

What i find strange is the OP joined up to start this thread and not replied to any comment....probably just to light the blue touch paper never to be seen again!

Utter nonsense and you know it. I’ve read nothing to suggest HUST wants to ‘own the club.’ Yes, they talk about having a stake but that is very different to owning outright, which is what you suggest.

You say you want to help but you’re just getting played by Raj handing over endless money. It’s just a bottomless pit. He’ll keep taking until he leaves and where does that leave us fans?

If you really want to help and not just want to look like some sort of short term saviour you should roll your sleeves up and concentrate on working with others. You’ll get a lot of respect for that from all fans.

Heard a rumour that the £30k had vanished with someone else.

Seagull, I’ve got nothing to do with either group so I don’t know how I’ll become some sort of short term saviour, I’ll leave that to the gofunders.

In defence of Raj Singh, he said from the start that in his view it was a partnership and that he expected fans to contribute financially to costs of the club. He’s certainly kept his part of the bargain and so is accepting those who come bearing gifts. I think in his position I’d do the same.

Oh, right, it’s just ‘The Corvus’... long time since I studied Latin but do remember a bit.

Its a Trojan Horse Trust. Clause 4.4 on their own website states they have the right to buy shares in the Club.
The same small group of people who have been telling people for years we don't need a Trust are now setting one up, run from the clubs offices using the clubs telephone number. If we don't need one Trust we definitely don't need two.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:w9aYPgkod8QJ:https://www.thehartofourclub1908.co.uk/heads-of-terms/+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

To be honest I don't care personally. If some people want to spend their time in the clubs offices then let them get on with it.

Hmm, a webpage asking for a £10 direct pledge, claiming several fan groups such are affiliates when they have no knowledge of the site and claiming to be based at the Vic.

Totally doesn't sound like a scam.

Unless I’m being thick, very possible, this group intends to work with the Trust in this project? So where is the hate for it coming from?

Probably because the person behind it has done nothing but slag the trust off from Day 1.

See his post above, he can’t help it.

Pools to stream home games which will be FREE to ST holders. Details to follow later

Reading that website, it basically sets itself out to be a trust, even borrowing directly from the HUST website. It’s a really odd move given the fundamental objection to have a trust at this club by the same people. It now seems a second trust is ready to launch. I think everyone can imagine what that means for the club, fan base and anyone looking to invest in future.

There is obviously no issue in people wanting to fund raise in whatever way they like but being deliberately divisive is not putting the interests of the club first.

Free to season tickets holders and starting with the Aldershot game if it goes ahead. But £9.99 to the virtual walk ups. Ouch!

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/behind-the-scenes-update-29th-september/

But it isn't a live website is it, somebody found an archived doc that sounds as if it was up for a very short time. Presumably second thoughts are being had. Might be better to leave further comment till something goes and and stays up?

Before pledging anything I'd want to know an awful lot more about the governance of this organisation. Therein lies the difference; a supporters trust is FCA registered and the financial comings and goings are tightly controlled and audited. For those reasons, getting a trust registered is no easy matter believe me.

It was a live website for weeks. got pulled today because the telephone number they were using was the telephone number for the football club.
The rewards they offering for Membership same as the rewards offered for the Budget Booster which the club said we couldn't have 3 weeks before the appeal ended and after most of us had already stuck our £50 in.
The whole thing looked like it was a club run version of the Trust, but instead of the money raised going into a safety net run by fans it all went into the pocket of a millionaire . That's why people have been calling it Singhs Trust and why he got someone like The Crow to run it for him.

Singh wants total control of the football club and is not prepared to let anyone else have any say over how it is run . Stelling seems to have no clue bout whats going on there and the Wrexham guys couldn't even get a foot in the door .

If he has total control he should be provided 100 per cent of the funds not constantly asking fans for more money. Seems to want to have his cake and eat it. Bet Stelling was fuming over the Wrexham thing.

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Singh wants total control of the football club and is not prepared to let anyone else have any say over how it is run .
think that sums it up more or less from day1. he,d love someone to turn up at the vic with more money than him but only to put up and then shut up. he,s got to remember that people with big long pockets do not think like that. would any pools fan who came into big money just hand it over without any say whatsoever.

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. It now seems a second trust is ready to launch. I think everyone can imagine what that means for the club, fan base and anyone looking to invest in future.

so a second trust starts. they will get stick then a third one starts off. for me its one club one trust. any group not happy would be better off attempting to change the present one and lessen the split of fans.

So it looks like pools and jeff are going for this then After seeing what was announced

Announced where? if it's only on Twatter would somebody mind providing a translation?

Totally agree.