Seems like the trade off to open schools is to shut pubs or so is being reported.
Tough decision this one.

You can catch up with drinking but trying to catch up with a kids education is very different albeit Boris money friends in his circle won’t want the pubs to close again.
By all accounts social distancing and the criteria for going into a pub are being ignored but how can you police it ?

get em back to school as quick as possible. sick to death of all the little buggers hanging about all day now. longer they are off its going to be harder for quite a lot to get em going back anyway. there must be plenty of kids like me and my lad who would do anything to avoid school unless there was a games afternoon.

I agree get the moaning fooking teachers back to school.

We are at school, you bellend.

What amazing service have you been providing during lockdown on your furlough?

I apologise, I shouldn't be so aggressive about it, but I've been putting my young family's life at risk to spend every day apart from the weekends in with pupils since late March.

The narrative that the media tell you that we're all workshy, lazy gets simply isn't true.

I'm worried my young kids might be infected with something I bring home from 30 kids in an enclosed room the size of most people's back gardens.

To see it simply as us being lazy isn't fair or taking the whole picture onboard.

But I apologise, because I've had other people belting on about it for so long.

My sentance was at worst tongue in cheek.

Probably wrong in the circumstances we all find ourselves in, but definately no malice intended.
I hope you and yours stay fit and healthy, i,m sure you will.
Not bought or read a paper in years, don,t need to be influenced by people with thier own agenda.

As a former teacher I agree on your comments, in picked up loads of things from kids in the classroom, usually coughs, colds & in my case bronchitis, pneumonia & best of all viral Keritis which is a nasty eye infection in the herpes family.
I taught probably 300 different kids a week as a Secondary teacher. I’d be worried about picking up Covid 19 aswell. I still can’t see how schools, especially secondary ones are going to make this work? Some of the kids I’ve taught in the past would take great delight in spitting on others, or scaring weaker kids with taunts of I’ve got it, so have you etc. This is the extreme but could happen.

Mr Turner what age group are you currently teaching. Its mine and a lot of others opinion that schools and FE colleges are more or less closed with just a few pupils/students in who have key worker parents or have other needs.
Again is only what i have heard but didnt most parents give the two fingered salute to our PM when he asked them to put the kids back in school.
Clarification would be appreciated.

sorry i meant Mr Bluebeard not Turner.

Doh!

Good to see Labour's David Blunkett having a go at the teacher's union.

Some pubs don't allow pool or darts.
Are ya gunna die like playing these sports.
What a loads shite.

More people in UK died in June 2019 than June 2020.

[quote="kevin pooles gloves"]Some pubs don't allow pool or darts.
Are ya gunna die like playing these sports.
What a loads shite.

especially as playing em isn,t compulsory. must be a stronger word than shite to use about balls like that.

I'm on about the pubs/clubs that have pool tables n dart boards but won't allow it to be played.
I played darts last week in the club and I'm still alive.

i know and am in complete agreement with you. went into my local chippy unmasked last saturday and the owner and assistant there are also still alive.

Can I vote schools please.

To be honest at my school the two were interchangeable.

just cannot see any connection between schools or pubs anyway.

Word would go around our school if any pubs served under-age drinkers back in the late 70's.drink in back lounge and don't annoy regulars were the only rules for a 15 year old back then.

Is bingo still on ??

I missed out on drinking for the first 15 years of my life. I've been trying hard to catch up ever since ...

or go to some city centre pubs or blackpool where being over 18 made you look old. mind you where me and my mates used to go i found out years later when the landlord retired that he knew we were all underage. he continued to serve us as we gave no grief to him unlike a few older guys did.

Had my first drink in the back room of Market Hotel in Lynn Street after getting my Giro (Nash) after first signing on at 16.
I have learnt more in pubs than i did at school so i think the government should heed my words and dispense with the education system altogether.

might not have learned more in pubs, but what i did learn proved more useful in later life and at the time to be honest. mind you i didn,t like the homework the pubs set. never a one for drinking at home.

What do schools actually contribute in there current form?
Yes i know its easy to snipe from the sidelines but how have they evolved since 1974?
Teaching subjects which are the same as 1974 but with fancy titles?
Do they have dedicated lessons on social responsibility/the importance of voting in democracy/being involved in the decision making process or personal financial management etc etc.
I have never heard much of these.
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What do schools actually contribute in there current form?
Yes i know its easy to snipe from the sidelines but how have they evolved since 1974?
Teaching subjects which are the same as 1974 but with fancy titles?
Do they have dedicated lessons on social responsibility/the importance of voting in democracy/being involved in the decision making process or personal financial management etc etc.
I have never heard much of these.
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What do schools actually contribute in there current form?
Yes i know its easy to snipe from the sidelines but how have they evolved since 1974?
Teaching subjects which are the same as 1974 but with fancy titles?
Do they have dedicated lessons on social responsibility/the importance of voting in democracy/being involved in the decision making process or personal financial management etc etc.
I have never heard much of these.
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opps to continue.

Why do the students seem to go nowhere except the classroom.
Trips to see the geography/history of the area?
Showing them the work environment to form their future career paths.
Learn about recent history that forms the world we live in not ancient history which has no relevance but justifies some academics existence.

Having worked firstly in the private sector i was shocked to see the the lack of world experiences in the public sector where people had been recruited and indoctrinated as to "how we do it" which bears no relation to the dynamic real world outside.(lifers)

Or does the government see this as dangerous for the "great unwashed" to learn such things?

Your last sentence hits the nail on the head. Of course it is dangerous to them , that's why they don't teach working class history and try and weed out leftfield teachers in the recruitment process.

Education is geared up to getting all kids into University, whereas once upon a time only one person in your class went to Uni , now its probably only one person who doesnt , its a money making machine. Most kids arent academic and would be better off being taught some of the things you mention in order to be a good citizen and be able to look after themselves in the minefiled that is the modern world.

Education is geared up to getting that one person at the top of the class into some highfalutin well paid job , the rest just have to try their best to keep up , rather than concentrating on making sure those in the middle and bottom have good core skills/ life skills

"National curriculum"
Think China, North Korea and Russia have one too.

[quote="horden"]

Education is geared up to getting all kids into University, whereas once upon a time only one person in your class went to Uni ,
blair and co brought these extra university places in. not for the kids but to lower youth unemployment figures that were massive at the time.

Well it certainly did that. If it wasn't for Uni , god knows how many young people would be out of work. Also the age at which you could claim the dole went up from 16 to 18 to skew the figures.

Bliar wanted 50% of kids to go to Uni, to educate the working class , in some respects this could be said to have worked, with many kids having a more worldly, outward looking intelligence, however this seems to have been gained at the expense of losing some social/life skills. Those that never went to Uni though and are out of work and or stuck in a meaningless job are probably dimmer than ever.

all his talk about education, education, education was no help to many who were really unsuitable for anything other than a meaningless and mundane job. it just made some reluctant to take these types of jobs after being stuck at school and obtaining a couple of low grade GCSE passes. made some,not all, think they were above some types of work.

You just have to love some of the recent phrases eg economically inactive/ NEET / Furlough etc.
I have recent reclassified my employment status to "long term furlough"
Which means i cease to be on it when i die.