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He’s still helping out during the handover period. Interesting few days ahead....


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Covering his tracks I wouldn`t wonder, shredding a plenty :wink:

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Wasn't Richard Money kept on to help out as well ? that never happened either.

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Wasn't Richard Money kept on to help out as well ? that never happened either.


He cashed out ages ago after being abused at the chippy in Seaton.

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All a bit sudden , why wasn't this mentioned in Rajs cost cutting statement of a couple of weeks ago? Two ways of looking at this, Maguire is jumping ship or Raj is doing something about the lack of revenue not coming into the club. Either way Raj is getting through plenty of bullets as we move another step closer to suffering the same fate as Darlo.

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Can see this happening at many clubs at our level as the owners start to realise the old model of running such clubs is going to have to significantly change.
Have the National league said anything about the future?

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Pools are badly ran , whatever model , pandemic or not , that was always the case. Like in any other business , if you are making a pigs ear of it, you sell up and or get out while you can. Raj is using staff costs as an excuse , he is hiding behind the pandemic , when he should be looking at ways of improving revenue streams and cutting down on waste. Can he be trusted to recruit a better CEO or volunteer CEO , probably not given his record so far , wonder if Hignett fancies it? as a way of paying him what we owe him , he can then replace Challinor as manager when he gets sacked 4 months into the season :roll: We are in a mess , have been since IOR left . When a club is in our position its difficult to arrest the slide , you attract the wrong people , you recruit a snake , sack them and replace them with a scorpion , every person usually always worse than the person they replaced. There is only one way this is going to end up. The sooner people wake up to this the better.

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I cant see fans being allowed to watch matches at our level until January 2021. ok you might let a few in before that but not the 3000 needed.
By 2021 clubs like us will be broke without a rich sugar daddy or a Premier league bail out.
It also depends how RS care business performs. Will the govt pump cash into the sector to support and improve or do nothing. Cant see many families now being happy to put relatives in a home unless its the only option.

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The care sector needs money pumping into it , especially the few still under the local authority umbrella , why that should benefit Raj Singh though ….??? :roll:

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The care sector needs money pumping into it , especially the few still under the local authority umbrella , why that should benefit Raj Singh though ….??? :roll:


Always remember that whenever the govt invests into something only so much gets to the front line.

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The government money is going via the councils. Good luck with seeing any of that!


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:clap: :clap: :clap:

Ripped the heart out of the club and this is a final Pi$$take what he said

“ I’ve worked with some fantastic staff and players and will miss them all“


did he forget he’s sacked them all sctatchinghead sctatchinghead sctatchinghead

Was it MM doing Raj dirty work or MM own work to try and keep his job?

other than getting Challinor in What has he done?


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I think Mark Simpson is a much bigger loss.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I think Mark Simpson is a much bigger loss.


This.

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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I think Mark Simpson is a much bigger loss.

It’s ironic there’s more sadness at Maguire leaving than there was with Simmo. Agree he will be a bigger loss


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The government money is going via the councils. Good luck with seeing any of that!


Only money they have taken away from the councils. Once upon a time , early 90s 75% of care homes were council owned and 25 & private , now its 75% private and 25 % council

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That's 3 managers and 1 chief exec picked and then sacked by Mr Singh. It's enough to make you think he doesn't trust his own judgement!


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I don't trust his judgement. Sacking his not just employees but so called mates as well. Stelling had better watch out , Singh turning into our very own Jack Torrance :laugh:

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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I think Mark Simpson is a much bigger loss.



Correct and The Club Secretary who had also been there just as long!


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Who will now dish out all the prizes on the go fund me page ?

There’s gunna be some pretty pissed off fans waiting for a tour of the ground.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I think Mark Simpson is a much bigger loss.


Without a doubt.
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Fans who sponsored players shirts last season , still haven't received said shirts and probably never will. if they don't receive them I cant imagine they will be to keen to sponsor a shirt again. These cuts whether you agree with them or not, are too much too soon. Raj is ripping the heart out of the club. If he thinks you can run a club overnight with volunteers and kids fresh out of Uni , then he is sadly mistaken.

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I think Mark Simpson is a much bigger loss.

acounts he was really disliked at the latter club.greed. think fans at chester and stockport will have a smile on their faces this morning. by all accounts he was really disliked at the latter club. the question is, do pools need a CEO at the level they are playing at anyway. not all clubs have one.


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[quote="horden"] We are in a mess , have been since IOR left . When a club is in our position its difficult to arrest the slide , you attract the wrong people , you recruit a snake , sack them and replace them with a scorpion , every person usually always worse than the person they replaced.
one thing that has been pretty constant since the mid 50,s apart from the IOR era was that pools have surged from one financial mess to another. poor players and managers replaced by poorer ones. owners that people did not trust and rightfully. just why cannot pools find an owner again to bring us out of the position the club is in. teams with far less support than pools have managed it. is there something that we all do not know where people may enquire but quickly turn away.


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I think Mark Simpson is a much bigger loss.

acounts he was really disliked at the latter club.greed. think fans at chester and stockport will have a smile on their faces this morning. by all accounts he was really disliked at the latter club. the question is, do pools need a CEO at the level they are playing at anyway. not all clubs have one.


Why, after having a CEO all these years, do we suddenly not need one? If we have a good one and other clubs don't have one, then that puts us at an advantage , the problem is MM wasn't a good one and didn't IMO justify his salary. If we don't have a CEO in future okay that puts us alongside many other clubs at this level , but the potential advantage gained by having one is gone.

My real worry is clubs at this level have very good amateurs doing the work of a CEO , and unless we can get someone equally as capable then we will be at a disadvantage. As I predicted when we went out of the league , our supporters are now beginning to accept the declining standards , as a result we could fall even further from grace. This coming season will be our 4th at this level , some said we must get back in one season , others two , a few sensible ones said three seasons , but we are still here , with a fanbase increasingly accepting or resigned to our plight , totally devoid of any ambition or aspirations , its tragic.

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Why is it that a business with a turnover in excess of a million pounds thinks it's ok for essential tasks to be carried out by volunteers?


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Good point and one to which I have alluded to myself. My view is that he is clearing the decks in readiness for the inevitable happening. I think we all know what that is.

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Looking forward to Simmo's take on Maguire's departure on the next podcast. Should be interesting, unless he's about to get a new job at the Vic!


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Why is it that a business with a turnover in excess of a million pounds thinks it's ok for essential tasks to be carried out by volunteers?

imagine out of say 4 or 5 thousand people who call themselves pools fans i doubt there is no job off the pitch where there is someone who has no experiance of doing it.


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Someone mentioned a turnover of £1M ...........is that the figure if that is true then what real effect a CEO have considering most of the income is tickets. Surely you just need a marketing manager type part or full time.
I worked for an organisation with a £5m T/O and the place operated well in spite of the dick head CEO......he was simply a walking cost improvement target.

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Someone mentioned a turnover of £1M ...........is that the figure if that is true then what real effect a CEO have considering most of the income is tickets. Surely you just need a marketing manager type part or full time.
I worked for an organisation with a £5m T/O and the place operated well in spite of the dick head CEO......he was simply a walking cost improvement target.


As we all know the actual turnover of pools is top secret I have just taken what I've read I.E. £400,000 from season ticket sales and that the money lost from the games this season was £25,000 per match multiply by 23 home matches equals £575,000, gives us nearly a million without counting any sponsorship deals. I have also read that another club's chairman in the national league was saying that the idea of a salary cap was being floated, the level he suggested was £750,000 per season for the national league and 1.2 million for league two. He also said that some clubs exceeded this budget massively in the national league and stated that Salford and Leyton were two clubs who exceeded this level last season, no mention of pools. So if this is the kind of playing budget that pools are adhering to why is anybody putting a million pounds per season into the club.


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Someone mentioned a turnover of £1M ...........is that the figure if that is true then what real effect a CEO have considering most of the income is tickets. Surely you just need a marketing manager type part or full time.
I worked for an organisation with a £5m T/O and the place operated well in spite of the dick head CEO......he was simply a walking cost improvement target.


As we all know the actual turnover of pools is top secret I have just taken what I've read I.E. £400,000 from season ticket sales and that the money lost from the games this season was £25,000 per match multiply by 23 home matches equals £575,000, gives us nearly a million without counting any sponsorship deals. I have also read that another club's chairman in the national league was saying that the idea of a salary cap was being floated, the level he suggested was £750,000 per season for the national league and 1.2 million for league two. He also said that some clubs exceeded this budget massively in the national league and stated that Salford and Leyton were two clubs who exceeded this level last season, no mention of pools. So if this is the kind of playing budget that pools are adhering to why is anybody putting a million pounds per season into the club.


Thanks for that and that kind of figure struggles to justify a CEO. Maybe a multiskilled manager but not a CEO.
I wouldnt argue with a salary cap for 2/3 years at our level to get us all over the problems that Covid19 has caused and perhaps other measures to stabilise clubs in D2/NL/NLN/NLS.
The finances of football are a dark art. I would question what makes up the £2m.

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I believe i read we only have 8 players under contract, two who have had new contracts offered and 4 under 24 yo options = 14 so perhaps RS is right keeping it tight until we see a way forward.
Clubs at all levels will be shedding players and there will be some good ones around who will have to take big wage cuts.
Its going to be very different i think when it starts again.

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CEO is only a name , as is Marketing manager , CEO is just a more modern name for the job Frankie Baggs used to do. The name is not important , what the person does and what they are paid to do it is all that matters. If a CEO or whatever they are called does a good job and doubles revenue , then they justify their wage , if a volunteer doing the job could double the revenue , then I would imagine they would want and deserve some sort of remuneration as well. This position when working well brings all the other strands of the operation together , there are some jobs a self respecting football club needs to be paid positions , this IMO is definitely one of them.

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Heard some time ago, about 4/5 months back, Hignett would be back once he had sorted some personal problems out. I thought that was unlikely/never going to happen however maybes not, knows the club, was the one who persuaded Raj to takeover etc.
As a few have said do we need a CEO at this level? Yes is the answer, would rather see somebody come in who knows & understands the club, Chris Turner for instance


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Heard some time ago, about 4/5 months back, Hignett would be back once he had sorted some personal problems out. I thought that was unlikely/never going to happen however maybes not, knows the club, was the one who persuaded Raj to takeover etc.
As a few have said do we need a CEO at this level? Yes is the answer, would rather see somebody come in who knows & understands the club, Chris Turner for instance


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Heard some time ago, about 4/5 months back, Hignett would be back once he had sorted some personal problems out. I thought that was unlikely/never going to happen however maybes not, knows the club, was the one who persuaded Raj to takeover etc.
As a few have said do we need a CEO at this level? Yes is the answer, would rather see somebody come in who knows & understands the club, Chris Turner for instance


Hignett doesn't know and understand the club. If he recommended Raj , its only because he wanted a job out of it. A job he made a right pigs ear of.

Turner was ideal at the time in 1999, but too old now. There must be a younger version of CT out there somewhere though

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To say Frankie Baggs did the same job as Maguire is ridiculous. Frank was classed as Commercial Manager and along with his good friend John Brewer ran the Pools on the Move and a few other things. Frank was a popular person in Hartlepool and used it to get sponsorships,sell advertising around the ground and boxes on match days.
He had nothing to do with administration such as finance, players contracts and dozens of other things what I call the Club Secretary does. God love him but I doubt Frank didn’t know the difference between a spread sheet and a bedsheet.


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Probably because there was no such thing as a spreadsheet in those days. The world has changed and so has the game, Its a different name for basically the same job , raising revenue streams, so I don't think it is ridiculous to compare the two.

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Of course it’s ridiculous Frank had no input in the running of the club he had no authority in any way over staffing, contracts and every aspect of running the club other than the commercial side that I outlined. My spread sheet quip was just an example of Franks limited ability as an administrator


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if its a dog then call it a dog. this CEO thing is only a name for another job or jobs done by someone in the past. sounds a bit more 21st century thats all. at the end of the day pools need someone on the financial side to run the off field stuff. years and years ago the club secretary seemed to do all this until that position grew and grew over the years.


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Of course it’s ridiculous Frank had no input in the running of the club he had no authority in any way over staffing, contracts and every aspect of running the club other than the commercial side that I outlined. My spread sheet quip was just an example of Franks limited ability as an administrator


Of course he had no official input as per his job title , but I'm sure he would've had some unofficially. As I said the game has changed , but basically the need to raise funds remains the same , was Maguire a CEO in the Mark Zuckerberg sense of the word? probably not, its just another change of name, that is the way with the modern world , CEO will be called something else in 5 years time.

Your quip about Frankie and spreadsheets is out of order as spreadsheets weren't available to men like him at the time, had they been I'm sure he would've been the first to embrace them.

Anyway , that's my final word on the mater , we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

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We’ve had no decent commercial manager since Russ Left, leaving the commercial side to a couple of ladies in the offices who where alway pleasant to talk too but they couldn’t exactly go out and get business into the club like Russ and Frankie did!

The New Boxes really took off as well didn’t they! What a waste of time that was think only two fans bought into it!

Raj needs to go out and get Simmo and the secretary back ASAP before things really go to rat shit and hire a good Commercial manager with an affinity to the Town.


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In theory the CEO should be Singh himself , but in reality the CEO positions has been created with the sole purpose of been the eyes and the ears of Singh , as Hignett said himself " I'm hear to look after the Chairman's money". Its a though they had something to hide and were scared of someone at the club exposing it, It was though they didn't trust anyone working at the club. In future Raj needs to be more visible and lead from the front , same with Stelling , up till now they have been like absent landlords , only surfacing when the obligatory yearly gas boiler service is due. The CEO needs scrapping and replaced with a Marketing manager or whatever new name it might have today. Raising revenue , cutting down on waste and giving supporters and sponsors value for money are the only things that matter.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:17 pm 
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horden wrote:
In theory the CEO should be Singh himself , but in reality the CEO positions has been created with the sole purpose of been the eyes and the ears of Singh , as Hignett said himself " I'm hear to look after the Chairman's money". Its a though they had something to hide and were scared of someone at the club exposing it, It was though they didn't trust anyone working at the club. In future Raj needs to be more visible and lead from the front , same with Stelling , up till now they have been like absent landlords , only surfacing when the obligatory yearly gas boiler service is due. The CEO needs scrapping and replaced with a Marketing manager or whatever new name it might have today. Raising revenue , cutting down on waste and giving supporters and sponsors value for money are the only things that matter.

Do this well and success on the field will soon follow.


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