In the name of balance

born toulouse · **Posted:** Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:39 pm

Sounds like an orthodox Trotskyist to me...

yloop · **Posted:** Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:42 pm

Had this conversation with the missus the other night. Yes, our life is currently that exciting. We believe that May or Brown would have been the best of the recent PM's and the Corbyn would have been useless. Like Boris is.

Boris was expecting an easy ride into the Brexit sunset and let someone else pick up the pieces, he didn't envisage actually having to deal with a crisis like this, who would? Frankly he's been found to be educated beyond his intelligence.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:51 pm

With Boris you at least know up front it's all about Boris.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:09 pm

If Treeza had been in command we would have had Trump saying "She didn't listen to my advice."
So that would have been a positive.

Watching from afar · **Posted:** Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:33 pm

Every press conference question would have been answered "Brexit means Brexit"

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2810

Great post.

yloop · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:36 am

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Great post.

Why?

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:22 am

In the interest of completeness how would Raymond Baxter have handled it?
What about Shep, Genghis Khan, Joan of Arc, that American President with the tall hat, Pol Pot, Mary Millington, Edwina Curry, Tupac Shacur, Tinky Winky or Boaty Macboatface's Captain?

Compo · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:34 am

The guy Dustin Hoffman plays in outbreak would have been the best. He had good PPE and a vaccine.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:30 am

Ghostbusters would have done an excellent job.

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Splod · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:06 am

I don't think Brown would have done a good job of the crisis. He would have been driven by economic factors and at best been prudent with his spending and support measures. Blair would have spun his way out of criticism. He didn't do a good job on PPE for the army in Afghanistan and Iraq so why would he have been any good at PPE for the NHS?

May may well have imposed lockdown sooner as she had a track record on infringing on civil liberties without compunction or compassion. She certainly wouldn't have cancelled the cricket season. Cameron would have probably been the worst of the lot as a total incompetent especially if Osborne was in charge of the purse strings. Jeremy Hunt was in charge of the NHS and didn't stockpile PPE and would have had half the staff out on strike.

So all in all its a good job we've got Boris

horden · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:18 am

phil wrote:

I'm getting pretty tired of people accusing others of being a leftie or the Leftwaffe that's bitter that Owen Jones and Jeremy Corbyn aren't in Downing Street.

For the sake of balance, I actually agree with many that Jezza would have probably done a fairly bad job or responding to the Coronavirus too. He didn't have the competency to lead a government either and many of his policies seemed dreamt up in the columns of the Morning Star.

On the other hand, I think Brown would have probably done a decent job managing it. And Blair. Miliband would have probably done an all right job, but in the least convincing way.

I reckon William Haig would have managed this crisis well. I think Jeremy Hunt would have done a better job than the current government, he seems quite switched on his interviews that I've seen. Bizarrely, I think Theresa May would have probably been all right too. Can't decide on David Cameron, he'd have probably done the opposite to Miliband; an incompetent job whilst looking convincing.

Crises aren't averted through ideology. They can only be handled with competent government.

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Crises are averted by ideology , Socialists believe in peace, Capitalists condone war , if it is required to accumulate capital. Harold Wilson averted a crisis in the UK by refusing to let the UK enter the Vietnam war , do you think a Tory leader would've taken the same stance?.

Corbyn would've handled this current crisis better than all of the names you have mentioned.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:22 am

horden wrote:

Harold Wilson averted a crisis in the UK by refusing to let the UK enter the Vietnam war , do you think a Tory leader would've taken the same stance?

Do you think all labour leaders would have taken HW's stance? At least one stands out as unlikely to have.

Monkeybutt · **Joined:** Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:22 pm **Posts:** 2428

Corbyn never came across as being assertive or decisive, I think he would have sat on the fence.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:29 am

ed-t-ball wrote:

In the interest of completeness how would Raymond Baxter have handled it?
What about Shep, Genghis Khan, Joan of Arc, that American President with the tall hat, Pol Pot, Mary Millington, Edwina Curry, Tupac Shacur, Tinky Winky or Boaty Macboatface's Captain?

For issues of motor racing, dog breeding, empire building, testing the efficiency of stakes, appearing on posters, shagging, rapping, wearing furry costumes, or inspiring a new generation of memes, they'd have got it spot on.

For public health issues, Pol Pot and Edwina Currie might have struggled to keep the population alive.

horden · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:35 am

Montpoolier wrote:

horden wrote:

Harold Wilson averted a crisis in the UK by refusing to let the UK enter the Vietnam war , do you think a Tory leader would've taken the same stance?

Do you think all labour leaders would have taken HW's stance? At least one stands out as unlikely to have.

Difficult to say , we haven't had that many , historically or since, possibly not. The one I think you allude to, definitely wouldn't have , but then he wasn't a Socialist , he was sent by the gods to end Socialism within the Labour Party , therefore ending the peace over war philosophy of the party.

horden · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:08 pm

I can say all Socialists believe in peace , they wouldn't be Socialists otherwise, that is a fact , war is always our last resort. As for Capitalists , I think the history speaks for itself. It was your initial statement about ideology not being able to prevent crises that was ridiculous. For a start an organised Socialist government would've had more PPE in place in readiness for the unknown , its called being prepared.

Watching from afar · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:20 pm

I reckon I could have handled this better from my hotel bedroom in cardiff.

horden · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:28 pm

phil wrote:

What about a disorganised socialist movement? Would they have managed this better?

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I cant possibly say , given that we have never had a true Socialist government in power in Britain , the nearest we came was the period after the war and the Wilson years in power. I do know that Socialists are usually very organised so can't envisage what a disorganised movement would look like. It goes without saying any party that is disorganise would struggle with managing anything well , we see it now before our very eyes with the current government.

horden · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:43 pm

No I don't agree, I've told you that already, don't change the subject by bringing up that old chestnut about Stalin and Pol Pot etc, they werent Socialists and they having nothing to do with British politics , besides I could mention 10 Capitalist dictators who killed and tortured people for every Pol Pot. That is my final word on this topic.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3556

phil wrote:

What about a disorganised socialist movement? Would they have managed this better?

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You got some balls to ask a question like that on here ?

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:00 pm

Monkeybutt wrote:

Corbyn never came across as being assertive or decisive, I think he would have sat on the fence.

Unlike our gloris leader of many decades and sunshines, glorious leader of many children and flaxon hair, who hid behind a fucking big fence in his other house, whilst breaking quarantine , oh glorious leader with two hearts

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2810

yloop wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Great post.

Why?

Cos it was balanced.

Splod · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:31 pm

I'm not sure Corbyn would have done anything without backing from the National Executive and an approved motion at Conference, he certainly couldn't for Brexit. Plus at his age he would have had to self isolate.

Javed Miandad Stance · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:39 pm

Merkel is centre right but has policies many would regard as being left of centre. Also happy to work with other parties and compromise.
She is in a different league to the politicians of the right here and in the USA. Nobody can really be surprised by how impressive the German handling of this virus has been, or that they are reaping the rewards of ploughing money into health care.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:50 pm

We aren't surprised we are fucking jealous but God forbid anyone admits it in a post exit Britain.

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:11 pm

Montpoolier wrote:

ed-t-ball wrote:

In the interest of completeness how would Raymond Baxter have handled it?
What about Shep, Genghis Khan, Joan of Arc, that American President with the tall hat, Pol Pot, Mary Millington, Edwina Curry, Tupac Shacur, Tinky Winky or Boaty Macboatface's Captain?

For issues of motor racing, dog breeding, empire building, testing the efficiency of stakes, appearing on posters, shagging, rapping, wearing furry costumes, or inspiring a new generation of memes, they'd have got it spot on.

For public health issues, Pol Pot and Edwina Currie might have struggled to keep the population alive.

What had Raymond Baxter got to do with motor racing?

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:14 pm

You must be from the wrong generation.
RB was Mr Motorcar when I was a kid. Look up his bio.

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:20 pm

Montpoolier wrote:

You must be from the wrong generation.
RB was Mr Motorcar when I was a kid. Look up his bio.

I didn't know that. I knew his TV career, tomorrow's world, and that he was a WW2 RAF pilot.

Fuck you must be old!!

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:24 pm

ed-t-ball wrote:

Fuck you must be old!!

You got it in one.

In the name of balance

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