What a joke. I thought VAR was the worst thing about the game these days.

Incompetent ref
Cheating opposition
Fans on the pitch, fucking idiots doing their best to shatter the clubs reputation just as the club were recovering.

Alledged racist incident again at Pools, which I really hope hasn't happened.

Really makes me wonder if it's really entertainment anymore.

That today sums up this league utter garbage.
Ebbsfleet played every trick and to round it off with the racist card.

I can only speak for the small section of the Neale Cooper terrace where I was but I think he was pointing further down so I wouldn't of heard anything anyway.

Still booing an announcement against racism is horrific and an awful look for the club especially based on what has already happened.

It was horrendous at the end there and I couldn't wait to get out. Players Hitting the ball at fans some idiot on the pitch trying to square up to players.

Players then standing and taunting the crowd after the final whistle. Then our manager fighting with opposition players. And amongst it all we lost a game of football which by that point seemed completely irrelevant.

Just another dark day

Also why was the ref so desperate to give them a penalty in the 2nd half. See him run with a skip in step to give one against Killip before realising it was offside?

Another team of cheats get the better of us. We really should have put the game to bed long before Toures stupid challenge. Was fairly close but never heard anything but possibly too far away.

I presume their player with the beard goading our fans at the end was shown that red card along with Challinor?

Oh and another ref who completely lost control of the game.

A few people I have spoken to who stand at that part of the ground are adamant that nothing racist was said and the only thing being shouted was "cheat".
However the pitch invader has provided the FA with some ammunition - they may want to make an example of a little club deduct points.
If they do, could it be sufficient to put us in danger of relegation ?

A few people I have spoken to who stand at that part of the ground are adamant that nothing racist was said and the only thing being shouted was "cheat".
However the pitch invader has provided the FA with some ammunition - they may want to make an example of a little club deduct points.
If they do, could it be sufficient to put us in danger of relegation ?

Against Dover, Pools players supported the opposition players in their reaction against the crowd.
Today no one seemed to have a clue what happened or was happening when the ref tried to remind the crowd it's all about him, which is why I'm doubtful. However, Pools are now tarred with that brush so even if it didn't happen I can see a punishment resulting.

Glad I didn't go today. Heard from a good mate that he heard nothing, perhaps the announcement was a pre-emptive measure? I don't know...I'd like to hope so.

If people get that angry by this (don't blame them at all, I was at another game today and I saw a fucking atrocious ref) they should just walk away without saying anything. Actions speak louder than words. This vitriolic racism is helping no one.

Was a strange one today, Ebbsfleet wasting time and feigning injury from the off. Referee unable to keep a grip of the game. We should have scored at least a couple and were punished for a stupid challenge by Toure.

As for the incident, I was in a different stand so no idea what’s gone on but the reaction of all around; fans, player, physio and linesman didn’t exactly appear to be a serious incident but I guess we will only know if others come forward to confirm or deny the accusation. A disgrace if true but if not I’d like to hope it was a case of the player mishearing what was said rather than a false accusation.


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Do I believe that there are still racists on the terraces at Pools? Sadly yes. Do I believe that the level of cynicism in this division has reached the level where a player could possibly make up racist abuse to waste time? Sadly yes.

The goalkeeper allegation is particularly strange. It didn’t serve them any kind of advantage to do it, if anything it was putting more pressure on the penalty taker given when he reported it. Which does make me think something must have been said.

Our crowd are a particularly angry lot. As soon as things start going against us the toys get thrown out the pram and the place becomes vicious in no time. The booing of the tannoy announcement was not a good look at all. If you don’t know the circumstances which have led to that for sure then keep quiet.

These incidents never seem to be far away for us at the minute. It’s off putting in the extreme.

Not at the game today, so only listening in but bbc were pretty clear this was very different to Dover. Liar and cheat I think were the words used. The reaction of fans around the "incident" was seemingly very evidently different. It was also abundantly clear from all reports the yet again awful refereeing at this level had a huge part to play

This, exactly - their Keeper obviously felt very strongly about something judging by the way he behaved - very odd considering they had the pen and he was risking completely putting off his team mate who was waiting to take it.

That apart I have to say I was absolutely disgusted by the behaviour of some of our fans. The referee was a complete joke and his management of the game appalling but that can’t be used to justify the behaviour of some people in the terraces. When it gets to the point you are having to rush your kids out of the ground because they are in tears due to the level of aggression/abuse etc around them - and getting bashed into by idiots desperate to get to the side of the pitch to scream abuse at the players - then it’s a pretty dark day all round.

Iv already seen someone on social media saying 'why is no one mentioning the ear cupping?'

They were ear cupping?! Deserve everything they got then, forward any footage of said ear cupping to the authorities to throw the book at them.

There were no racist comments from the centre of the town end in the second half from what I heard.

Someone got into bother with the purple stewards / security for calling the keeper or one of their players a phuqing mug shortly before the penalty.

Sickening to hear reports of ear cupping inside the ground, thoughts and prayers with those affected.

I was stood where the alleged incident happened and I can 100% that no racist comment was made. He was called a cheating 'lovely lovely person' and booed.... also as he was talking to the lineman about it he was looking at us in the corner smirking.

Surely a Pools fan out there somewhere heard something then if true. What is alleged to have been said?

Maybe you know best Madjohn? You haven’t heard anything yourself but you saw how the players reacted so we will just presume that the your analysis is spot on and everyone stood around those areas is cloth eared and complicit in racism shall we?

Didn't hear any racist comments. I was in Townend. To left of goal.

McGlashan (the player making the racism allegation) was a disgrace. After the incident the ball went out of play, bounced off the advertising hoarding & he headed the rebound - then briefly decided to feign a head injury. He'd previously pratted about & procrastinated when having to leave the field following an earlier "injury". There's no place for racism, but bell-ends like him deserve everything that they get directed at them which is non-racist. His total behaviour makes me question whether he invented the racism allegations

How many times did the ref speak to their captain about his team's "behaviour" ( I use the term behaviour very loosely) ? Payne managed to get himself subbed before he was sent-off, & at that stage I don't think the ref had even booked him.

I can tho, i was literally 2 foot from the player calling him a cheating c@nt and heard everything. So basically i heard everything he did oh and when he was talking to the linesmen their physio was asking what he was doing which tells me that he didn’t hear out and when he was telling the linesman he was looking over to us smirking........ there’s also a video of the incident


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I think people need to keep an open mind here about what happened. Is it possible in this hideous league that someone would stoop to making false claims ? You bet it is. For me the circumstances sound very different to the Dover game. Suspiciously different. The witness accounts I've read are pretty consistent too. The aftermath of Dover had very little denial and plenty of shame, if a little deflected blame (the ref). This time there's just anger.

Problem is the FA have set a precedent now with some player bans for alleged racist comments, introducing the word "probability". They had no concrete evidence yet players have been banned because there was the probability racist language was used. As you have already been fined for an incident this season then whats the betting they'll say there was the "probability" someone in the crowd said something they shouldn't?

Anyway, looking it from the outside, you cant complain about players acting on winding the crowd up. It happens at all levels and yeh it makes them look twats, but you just have to lump it especially when you have players who do the same.

I was in the Neale Cooper stand and the tannoy is so bad you could not hear the racism warning.
Hideous game and it was a relief to get in the pub and watch proper sport of England v Wales. West, Rovers, Tech BBOB, Old Boys and Seaton might be my viewing next year.

I was not there however as soon as I heard the name Maglashan it gang a bell in 2017 when playing for Southend v Millwall he made similar allegations and they were found to be not to be true and also at another club made allegations against a team mate shortly after he left said club after it was found to be untrue.

It appears that there is a bit of a struggle to make these racist allegations stick. We three were at the match and never heard any racist abuse.

If it is true that this McGlashan character has a record of falsely accusing people of racial abuse and this case proves to follow the same route then he should be banned from playing football at any level, banned from attending any matches and prosecuted to the level of a prison sentence to warn him and others that playing the race card, without good reason and substantial evidence is just as bad as those who promote racial abuse and should without fear or favour be dealt with as vigorously as those who do promote racism.

The club is asking for Pools fans, wherever they where in the ground, to produce evidence to back up or refute McGlashan's accusations of racist abuse. I refute them. Let those who are doing the accusing, provide the evidence and then the perpetrators can be dealt with, if such perpetrators actually exist.

We need to stamp on people who dish out racist abuse and, at the same time, protect good honest fans of having the race card thrown at them willy nilly.

I am not going to comment on the performance or behaviour of the referee or a number of Ebbsfleet players because doing so is a total waste of time. The decision i have to make is whether I continue paying to watch it.

I will say though that their goalie played a blinder.

The allegation from Southend 2017 is on the Internet

It doesnt it's just the report

There is not a chance in hell that the FA will say it was made up and punish him etc. The best we can hope for is that the FA say they cannot find any evidence (similar to what happened at Spurs recently and what I seem to remember happened when a Brighton player (Bong maybe?) claimed he was racially abused.) Even if they say they cannot find any evidence then they may use that line they used in our recent report where they said "it probably happened" or words to that effect and that may well result in us getting that fine that was suspended?

If the FA were to punish him then Kick It Out etc and probably every other organisation would be up in arms saying that it would encourage players not to report racism in fear of being punished themselves etc.

I imagine whether the linesman heard it or not will be the main factor and from standing near him when the incident apparently happened then he certainly didnt react or appear to have heard it.

ps I see Challinor and their player are apparently appealing their red cards.

Presuming the red card was for squaring upto each other then I hope the club will be letting the FA know that their player felt the need to run over to our fans at full time screaming and shouting and asking our fans to come at him.

The utter bellend should have been red carded for that.

It was a deeply depressing end to what had been a very frustrating afternoon.

The football barely seems to matter in the wake of what happened. We didn't deserve to lose but it's debatable whether we deserved to win. The ref's inability to deal with Ebbsfleet's cynical tactics, from what seemed like from 10 minutes in, was disappointing but ultimately you have to take it out of his hands and we created three excellent chances to score. Being in the town end I couldn't see if the penalty was fair enough but no one seems to be complaining too loudly on here.

I guess we'll just have to see what the investigation concludes.

The penalty was one of those where the forward wasn’t going anywhere in the corner of the box close to the by line, facing the corner flag, the slightest contact and he falls on the ball. Toure was suckered in and fell for it.

Spireite here (Sorry)
We played Ebbsfleet last season, just after a peaceful pitch invasion (nothing to do with opposition, against our so called board) and with a cloud hanging over the club and authorities scrutinizing crowd control. Ebbsfleet adopted tactics to antagonize the crowd from the first minute. To catalogue their exploits in the black arts of the game which was vigorously encourage by their coaching staff ( I sit behind their dugout) would take an iternity. However one example, their keeper (ashmore now Borehamwood) having spent the entire game being an absolute a..hole, in the final minutes (3-2 to them) stood outside the field of play (6 yard boxish) holding the ball just in play with one hand, taunting a CFC player to come and get it whilst gestering to the already incensed crowd some 2 feet away with his other hand . This didn't end well (from a crowd control point of view)as we equalised in the last minute and passion took over 20 or so spectators got onto the pitch some seeking retribution with ashmore.

In the aftermath of the events ashmore played the race card supporting his claims on Twitter with a clip of a fan clearly shouting abuse. However this was quickly removed when he realised it was an ebbsfleet fan.

A despicable club from top to bottom who engineered events, manipulating a pathetically weak referee to get a result at all costs, putting another club under threat of points deduction and financial penalties.

didn,t see any of the post match action but looking at this incident and the dover one most seemed to know something happened at the dover game but nothing about saturday. doubt all fans have gone blind or deaf in a few months. said before on here that i see all men and women the same no matter what colour but i,m afraid actions by non white players is not helping them or any kick it our compaign unless they themselves learn to moderate their behaviour regarding opposition fans. you cannot act like a dick and then just hide behind a big race card when it suits them.

I remember that game very well. Regardless of peoples behavior (which is by all accounts often appalling) that game, the Dover game and Saturday's match really make you question if fixing is an issue at this level.

[quote="Bramstein"]It was a deeply depressing end to what had been a very frustrating afternoon.

The football barely seems to matter in the wake of what happened. We didn't deserve to lose but it's debatable whether we deserved to win. The ref's inability to deal with Ebbsfleet's cynical tactics, from what seemed like from 10 minutes in,
its no way near of this being the first time it has happened this season. sub standard officials, opposition especially southern ones time wasting from their first goal kick. could be a situation where enough is enough and the league in the end need to do something about it before it does get really out of control.

One of the most sensible posts on here for many a year.

Can I suggest that talk of people 'playing the race card' ends now? As soon as you talk in those terms you suggest that falsely claiming to have been racially abused is widespread when it clearly isn't. It is perfectly possible for a player to genuinely, but mistakenly, believe he heard racial abuse when there is lots of abuse flying about. That wouldn't make him a cheat or a liar. It is also possible for people standing or sitting in the same part of the ground to hear and not hear the abuse if it was shouted. It is very easy to miss things when you're in a 'lively' crowd.

Best thing is to wait and see if the investigation sheds any light on the matter. Talking about 'race cards' being played when none of us know exactly what happened really isn't helpful. Although it isn't half as bad as the long-standing Pools fan I saw on Facebook claiming that he'd lived in the town all his life and had never heard the N word used as a term of abuse. Obviously didn't go to any matches at the Vic until the late 80s even though he is older than me.

It's like these chewy players know we have a passionate fan base with a bit of history and choose to wind the crowd up with there antics whilst getting the officials on there side.

Most probably happen again.
It works. A sad scenario.

Let's lead more games comfortably to stop it being repeated.

Just watched the highlights, unbelievable how many efforts went straight at their keeper.

Looks like camera was on managers at fulltime so I imagine it missed their number 5 almost causing a riot.

That's fine Phil but what if he is making it up?????

He was either racially abused or he wasn't. Do you and others really believe that it is inconceivable that any black man would play the race card to his advantage?? Your blind faith astounds me.
If there has been racism then it has to be stamped upon, no one disputes that but there is a question mark or two regarding Ebbsfleet and the behaviour of their players.

I also find it disgraceful that you should be allowed to accuse Mr Accrington of racism just because he has a different take on the playing of the race card than you have. Are you actually suggesting that playing the race card doesn't exist????

If we are to involve bias and opinion in this matter then it is my opinion that certain players and teams deliberately wind up the opposition's fans in the hope that they will react. That is what happened on Saturday and Ebbsfleet have an obvious habit and intention of doing this. People who operate in this manner certainly must be capable of misuse of the race card. You or anybody else who can't accept the possibility of this scenario are naive to the extreme.

So are you saying that there is no such thing as "playing the race card"????

think we will just have to wait and see what the outcome of the whole affair from start to finish will be. think a lot of the trouble is that many players only play in front of 1500 crowds where there is an atmosphere of a library on closing day. they turn up at pools and places like stockport and get wound up by the noisy more football league like atmosphere. funny how in games against chesterfield, stockport and notts county there was no shit on the pitch unlike these no mark southerners playing at their highest level in their history.

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I did not call Accrington racist. I said his post enabled racism. It does, I stand by it. As does all your tripe about black people "playing the race card." Life isn't Uno, stop being so ignorant.

what does worry me is that i do not want to get into a situation where i have to think twice before i give some shit to an opponent who is winding the crowd and players up. will the club get a big fine, will i get banned from the vic if the guy happens to be black and i do not mention it. when i look at players their skin colour never comes into it with opponents or pools players. if i do not like em its because i do not rate them. any special priveledge given to any group of players is totally wrong and will give the real racists something else to bang on about.

If only you were as clever as you think you are, you would realise you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of.
You are citing what you consider to be historical facts about me and I am citing what is emerging regarding McGlashan's historical behaviour, not to mention the behaviour of Ebbsfleet and their current record.
Not only that you have said "maybe he made the whole thing up". That is in total agreement with what I am saying. All I did was ask the question " what if he is making it up?"

I agree that we should let the process take it's course but this thread is inviting comments and I have given mine.

I don't defend racism and, once again, on this thread have quite clearly stated it has to be stamped out.

My take is that we need to understand why people, mostly in moments of agitation, resort to it. Understanding it is the first step towards curing it.

If the best course to take is to wait and see then the thread should be closed down, otherwise let everyone give their opinion as they see it.

The race card, just like the rape card, is played regularly and in each area lies a lot of grey. Neither is as black and white as some would have it. Making that observation neither makes me a racist or a rapist.