I've just watched last night's Question Time....
Laurence Fox....who and why????
What a complete and utter dick he is!!!!

The member of the audience who called him a white privileged male .. left wing twitter has gone crazy over it.

Seemed a pretty sensible bloke to me.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on Fox v Boyle on Question time ??

Never watch question time now. Once unmissable, now just irritating.

What do you define as ‘posh’?

Trouble is, I don't recognise a class system as such, so posh means jack shit to me. I’m not impressed by wealth or ‘breeding’ and while I bow to no one, I expect no one to bow to me.
That said I think everyone has an opinion and the opinion should be judged on it’s merits alone and not on the persons background, because it then becomes tribal. The question isn’t analysed, but dismissed because of the messenger, wether the messenger is right or wrong.
If Adolf Hitler told me 2+2 =4, he’d be right, but some people would argue he’s wrong because of who he is.
Fox may well be posh (in your eyes) and indeed a nob, but that has no relevance to his point.
You can tell It’s Saturday morning and I’m killing time waiting for my lift out into the sticks with my faithful ratter who is far ftom posh but can be a nob at times

More leftie bolloxs above.

He said that people are quick to shout racism simply because someone disagrees with you. Absolutely right.

He said that the Meghan Markle stories is about someone wanting the good bits but but not keen on the bits that surround being a royal.

Now we have the oh so predictable‘ he’s white middle class’ which of course means he can’t have an opinion.

It’s pathetic.

I actually agree with you on this.

I was born and bred in Wagga and we called people in Westbrook’s Ave posh. Did that mean I should have disliked them?

Of course he has, and.....?
Privilege is never going to disappear no matter who’s in charge, that’s the big joke. Everything changes and everything stays the same. I’ve experienced plenty of shit, but do I care, it’s life, it’s what we make of it. I once asked my dad about the inequality of life in my my gormless year’s. He said you just get on with it, no one's gonna help you, especially not god botherers or politicians because they’d be out of a job if everyone was content.
You take life too seriously, you appear to be travelling on a single track line, yet what have you done about it.....?

Is that Samantha Fox vs Susan Boyle? I'd like to see that.

If Samantha Fox put her leather catsuit on now, she’d look like a black pudding.

Is that Samantha Fox vs Susan Boyle? I'd like to see that.[/quote]



A big fan of Sam's Sun Page 3 days eh ? ..or was the Sport your paper back then ?

I watched it. He has a point. One can have negative views in another person for reasons other than ethnicity but there are certain elements who don't believe that's possible. Detracts from real race issues.

agree with both your posts snowy. think we all know folk in pubs and work with similar views to fox. plus pools fans.

Well yes, that's kind of the point. I wasn't going to pit Susan against Megan Fox; that wouldn't be fair on either of them.

Lawrence Fox is an absolute twat. He’s the latest in a line of people trying to make a living out of being one after the success of team captain of all the arseholes Piers Morgan. Professional pricks who shout about stuff they actually don’t really give a shite about a on social media and it goes into meltdown.

He went bankrupt after his divorce to Billie Piper and a failed music career, google his music and then tell me this bloke isn’t a deluded, entitled arsehole.

The thing is lots of people fall for this bollocks and paint them as men of the people who dare to speak the truth. Katy Hopkins light.

But you don’t put up a reasoned debating point. To blurt out a torrent of furious insults like ‘twat, arsehole, pricks,arsehole (2) bollocks’ hardly validates whatever point you’re making.
I read the message, you appear to read the messenger, put them into a pigeon hole of your own class system.

I think you miss the point, I am not furious far from it. I am not going to put any energy into being furious about someone who has no impact on my life whatsoever. They claim to be speaking on behalf of normal people but it’s usually stuff normal people don’t actually care about.

The sole purpose of this new phenomena is to make people furious though. They are professional arseholes. Piers Morgan is the expert of this, it’s on some level admirable what he’s managed to achieve. Fox was a nobody a week ago now he’s reeling people in on social media using classic Morgan tactics. It’s all about being in the limelight. The people who get angry are the people they crave. It’s all a bit depressing to be honest. I’m off to start shouting about a Vegan steak bake and people’s genders.

I dont like the fella either. And I think my political leanings are fairly clear.

Yet I was in agreement with him over the comments about Meghan markal. And I was equally angry by that woman who accused him of being a middle class white privileged racist because he dared to suggest the coverage of the pampered princess was not racist.

I cant stand the royal family and anything that disrupts them is funny to me. But I cant be having that everyone is racist for criticising her. Moreover we are all white racists for saying it.

It's ridiculous.

Other than that Fox is a Moron.

I can't be arsed to check, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember the woman in the audience saying Fox was a racist, or that she started the argument. After he'd decided to announce that there was nothing racist about how Markle has been treated, she said the newspaper coverage of Markle was racist, which seems like a pretty reasonable point to me, at least as far as some papers go. She then added that as a priveleged white bloke he wasn't in the best position to judge these things. Again that seems reasonable to me.

Fox then came out with the frankly ludicrous claim that she was being racist by challenging his right to decide whether things are racist or not. He certainly gave the impression that he thinks making contentious remarks about racism is funny because it winds people up. He's confirmed that since with a string of comments that indicate a desire to be the new Katie Hopkins. Probably a wise career move as acting and music don't seem to suit him. I'll be ignoring the knobhead as far as possible but it looks like he'll keep popping up sharing his pearls of wisdom for a while yet.

How was it ludicrous? She said that because he is a white middle class bloke he can’t have an opinion. How is that not racist by definition? If I said that a black bloke can’t have an opinion for no other reason than the colour of his skin this board would shake with statements castigating me as a full blown member of the ku klux klan.

As for Meghan Markle, there is no race angle other than from apologists for her behaviour.

I don’t think she said that he can’t have an opinion she said he’s not in the best position to comment. That is factually correct as it’s something he has no experience of. This is almost funny as Gammons trying to turn the term gammon into a racist slur.

As for your last line it’s the thing that makes me laugh most about this Harry and Meghan thing. ‘Apologists for her behaviour’ what behaviour is that exactly!!? People going mental about a family deciding they want to live somewhere else. How dare they that’s outrageous. Scum of the Earth.

I read a very good comment the other day, this is someone who was born into his ‘job’ As a child he was made to walk behind a hearse containing his dead mother and stay composed while lunatics who didn’t even know her wailed in inconsolable grief. If he’s decided now I don’t want this anymore and that he’s going to Canada to live with his really fit wife then good luck to him.

This decision has no impact whatsoever on anyone’s life apart from those around them. Anyone getting bothered or angry about this needs to asses their priorities in life and get a grip on reality. Also I can quite quickly think of another member of The Royal Family to get angry about. Posh white noncing must be alright.

All very reasonable. My point was more about the pamapered actress and her fake tears. Shes an actress. I dont read the papers, or very rarely do, so I may be wrong but what exactly has been racist about the coverage of her, except her referencing colour at every opportunity?

And I come from a position that anything that screws up that family is sport to me.

And the nonce in the family should be in jail.

That ‘woman in the audience’ is a lecturer whom I believe has appeared on the show before and got a lot more time than most members of the public to push her point.

I’m not sure myself about the racism angle, excuse the pun but what I do know it’s not black and white. I’d imagine like most things in these divisive times we live in elements of truth can be found on both sides of the argument but the days of being rational and reasoned seem to be long gone. This is far more deep rooted than the press are making out though, both of them are suing various media platforms for different reasons, the press have declared war it’s no surprise they want out. I think this is the biggest part of all of this but most things are culmination of several factors.

On the racism accusations specifically I’m not even close to qualified to dismiss it out of hand, it’s obviously not overt racism like our Prime Minister came out with but you do wonder on some level if she has a point. Take some of ridiculous coverage one of our most talented footballers in a long time has been on the end of in Raheem Stirling? It’s at best very odd and it makes you think. If had to go one way or the other I would side on it not being down to the colour of her skin, I didn’t even realise she was mixed race until I saw her Mam at the wedding!

You are again missing the point Snowy and what I am actually talking about.

I don’t hate Piers Morgan, he doesn’t make me angry. I think he’s a bit of a knob but I also think he’s a very intelligent bloke who knows exactly what he’s doing and its made him very successful. I like most people who use Twitter follow Piers Morgan.

He’s used Twitter as his platform and he takes a very contrived and thought out stance on a lot of issues. It’s been quite a success for someone of quite limited talent. Someone like Lawrence Fox is attempting to go down the same route. None of it is particularly honest or genuine and shouldn’t be taken particularly seriously.

Piers morgan now is very different from the piers morgan of a few years ago. The old newspaper hack who was right in the middle of the phone hacking scandal.

So as much as I can take the bloke now he has zero credibility because of his past behaviours that indont think he has ever apologised for.

It interesting that Prince Harry is suing the Mirror group for phone hacking from the time that Morgan was editor.

As I said theirs a lot more to all of this!

Interesting comparison here:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... ards-royal

I wonder what the difference is?

These comparisons are absolutely spot on and show that she has been unfairly treated by the media. What's not ok is to instantly say that is racism, which some people have and where all this has all come from. For me, it's ok to dislike someone who's black, gay or disabled if they are complete knobs or just unlikeable, especially if you play in the media and want to use it for your own profile as well, kind of comes with the territory. That's not a judgement based on their skin colour or ability, it's just a dislike of them, exactly the same of anyone who is white and male. But you can't instantly jump to calling that racist, homophobic or against people with disabilities. I don't think it's anything racist, i think the media just don't like her. It's a whole separate issue but not racism, but people have got hyper-sensitive and played on that. Then the like of Piers Moron then speak the other way fanning the flames of the equally outraged on the other side causing a whole cloud of nonsense.

In this case i do think Fox was right about the lecturer who launched into one saying he was white privileged, yep, that is a racist statement as you're judging someone's opinion on their skin colour and background. If she'd have simply said you're not in the best place to comment having not been subject to the media articles, it would have been better, but then again neither is she. But now he's completely playing on the issue now he's got his time in the spotlight and making more statement that he know will appeal to the average pissed of white male too. Just more faux outrage over an issue that probably doesn't exist yet people would like to find a link to and they're all as bad as each other. Although, the real winner of the night Shami Chakrabarti must be relieved that after the Labour defeat and the way she supported Corbyn that nobody is talking about her appearance on question time. Absolutely got away with one there...

isn,t it about time we just stopped looking at peoples skin colour and started looking at the person themselves. there are knobs of all colours, always have been and always will be.

I didn't think i expressed an opinion on her either way. i'm not really that fussed what she does.

Plenty of people have not had dealings with Boris, Nigel and Jezza the red. Opinions nevertheless are widespread.

Well she is a yank Tick. She is an actress Tick. She married into the most privileged family in the western world Tick. Then moaned about it, despite knowing exactly what she was letting herself in for. Tick.

Just a few reasons there.

The only mention of race I've heard is from left wingers crying that any criticism of the woman must be race driven when in reality its clear that people are pissed off that she's not willing to do a job she's been paid very handsomely for. I'm not bothered what colour she is, I am bothered that she's had it away on her toes with over £2m. Of course Charles is now paying it back from the Duchy of Cornwall which is ultimately our money anyway so she's done well for a couple of years non-work.

It’s NOT me who’s missing the point again, but I repeat myself. You classify people by what you perceive to be their political/social status. You are not interested in anybody’s message unless the messenger is perceived to share your political/ social values. Therefore you will only ever keep getting the same message.
I make my judgements purely on the message, I will listen/debate with anyone with an equally open attitude. I have no preconceptions and will vote for a candidate who provides me with what I think is best in the long run, regardless of politics but draw the line at extremes of viewpoint.
Thankfully my parents where at opposite ends of the political spectrum and had some belting arguments on the subject, so I avoided the curse of saying “Me mam and dad voted for the bullshit Party, me granda did as far back as the Flintstones so I’ll be voting for the bullshit party too.”

I got a bit suspicious when the kids face was partially masked and it was kept hidden away..... odd behaviour in that job.
The Royal Family in many respects is a Circus. When you join the Circus you’re paid to entertain the public. A large section of the public expect certain things back in return for their ‘fee’. Non performing, self indulgent Royals soon become a threat to the brand and a liability.
I never thought of it as about race. The marriage seemed a great stroke of luck to open up the royal family to reflect the country in general. I suspect ambition and naivety have more of a bearing on their decision than the ramblings of a few minor bigots.

Snowy, I’m not sure you have even read my posts in this thread so you aren’t even missing my point you are just making assumptions and being slightly condescending.

I have said very little about Fox’s social class or upbringing I’m talking about social media and how certain people use the wider media these days in an attempt to be relevant.

We all know about the social meeeeeeja bollocks, there’s no way on this earth I want to discuss that jibber jabber.
Equally silly is saying ‘ Lawrence Fox is an absolute twat’ as your opening salvo does tend to indicate you aren’t a fan regardless of his upbringing but undoubtedly puts him into the despised section of your profiling system.
Condescending come off it. Merely vigorous debate and common sense.

Its the Royal Family. Its funny. Lock em all up in the tower.

I have barely heard of him to be honest.

Google his ‘musical’ performance on Jeremy Vine and tell me I’m wrong on my gut instinct that the bloke is a twat. I’m not bothered about his class status or social standing you get good and bad in all walks of life you have got me completely wrong I don’t despise or hate anyone, it’s not real life and has no bearing on me. But if you were designing a knobhead you could pretty much use all of the this bloke.

back to lawrence fox. thought he had sod all to say on any subject really. if you want non politicians on the show you could find a few on here with more stuff to say about anything. no disrecpect meant either to anyone, but its a fact.