I read that at a meeting of labour MPs in the commons yesterday they blamed the defeat, sorry annihilation, on an ‘economically illiterate manifesto’
That’s why the thick,stupid,gullible people voted against it.

I read that at a meeting of labour MPs in the commons yesterday they blamed the defeat, sorry annihilation, on an ‘economically illiterate manifesto’
That’s why the thick,stupid,gullible people voted against it.

I read that at a meeting of labour MPs in the commons yesterday they blamed the defeat, sorry annihilation, on an ‘economically illiterate manifesto’
That’s why the thick,stupid,gullible people voted against it.

sorry. Could you repeat that?

Like has been said a million times the tories won. The only manifesto that needs to be fulfilled is theirs. Surely if you voted for it you will be demanding it happens?

Well if even they don’t comply fully with it surely it’s better than an economically illiterate one(labours words not mine)

we will never know will we? The tory one on the otherhand.

nah....we will never know, whereas you never knew.

Tony Blair - The Labour Party was incapable of being a credible government.
That’s what the gullible voters thought too.

The only gullible voters are the young ones who were conned by labour's daft promises. Like they were when Clegg promised to abolish tuition fees.
That's why the labour party wanted to reduce the voting age to 16, so they could con a few more by promising them £10 per hour.
The thing that makes you shudder is if the lefties had got away with their daft plans, not only would they have bankrupt the country, but also it would have taken years to recover, which would have had a devastating effect on the young people.
Us stupid, gullible, selfish old timers saved them from such a fate.

A. Im not a tory
B. So you didn’t actually mean what you said, you just said it for shits, giggles and dramatic effect?
C. I don’t own any shares.

Not doing very well here are you.

I see that Emily Thornberry has now announced, as Sky News just put it, that she intends to run in the race to be the next Labour leader.

She wants to hope that there’s not much actual running involved if she hopes to win the race, and I’d also suggest that she might want to get some real good running shoes to cushion the impact of trying to carry her weight at any kind of pace that is more than waddling the fat mess.

She doesn’t put odd shoes on like Diane Abbott so that’s an improvement.

This is good. You accuse me of saying stuff for effect then produce this. But lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say you meant it. I take it being fat only applies to female MPs? Your Boris is hardly slim now is he? And I assume you are some fitness freak in the gym every day?

Well no as long as you are telling the truth. Its a common trait of a tory to lie. Its also a common trait for a tory voter to deny it as they are embarrassed to admit it.

Both genders can be fat. Examples of both exist way too frequently.

It just so happens that she is the one who has apparently claimed she is going to run in a race.

Hope that helps.

Abbot with 2 left shoes on, that’s a race in which Thornberry might have a fair chance- what do you reckon, a slack 5k Parkrun to see who wins?

They can both run as far and as fast as they like, as long as it is in a straight line, non stop, for about six months.

A "Glorified protest group with cult trimmings " says Blair...You were right all along mr derwent.

let them have their bit of glory and gloating whilst denying they voted tory. Its like the last 10 years of tory austerity never happened.

The young are gullible? Yet most of them were just children for the majority of those 10 years. Those that were adults and saw the hospital ward closures and the many homeless on the streets and the food banks etc seem to think it was all Corbyns fault. The nerve of these blue rinse old men.

Oh do give over. The one thing that will annoy you to death is if and when those promises are fulfilled.
We all know you're bitter and disappointed and you have our sympathy but that's as far as it goes.
You've been rejected in the most dramatic of rejections. No sane person in this country of ours wants communism.
Get used to it.

Just imagine it was Dianne Abbott coming out with this preposterous shite;

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I stopped reading at the lifelong tory and racist jibes which are both lies. You are obviously very bitter and buried in sour grapes. Any valid points that you may have had in your bitter rant have been lost by your point scoring opening gambit. When you can't get any truth in at the beginning it waters down any other points you are trying to make later on.
But hey, who cares. You hard left communists are doing the job of keeping johnson and the tories in power without the help of anyone else so there is no need for lifelong tories to break sweat, so carry on with your left wing, anti semitic racist behaviour and I'm sure boris et al will be forever in your debt.
Meanwhile i'll keep campaigning to rid the labour party of this hard left disease.

I think the lifelong Tory and racist jibes are out of order here but the rest of the post is very valid.

Plus you have spent weeks implying racism, hypocrisy, marxism and more which I also though were out of order. Those claims were baseless or as you like to call it a ‘lie’.

So again, two wrongs don’t make a right.

It is that long since i heard Dianne Abbott come out with anything I am struggling to formulate any opinion on your post, PJ.
All I can refer to recently is her debut into the fashion stakes when she was promoting her support for the latest two left feet style.
Maybe she has adopted boris's fridge migration technique.

I doubt you would even try to listen anything other than narrative you have decided to conform to.

He cant even bring himself to comment on that idiot Hancock. Valiant makes some great points that derwent wont read.

Yes mr derwent we are stuck with the tories. I voted labour. That's all I could do. Your constant comments that people like me are responsible just make you sound ridiculous

I know they are out of order PJ and I am grateful to you for pointing that out.
As i have said earlier those jibes stopped me from going any further so i don't know if the rest of the post is valid or not.
Anti semitism in the labour party is not baseless and is not a lie. Jeremy Corbyn the other day admitted he had failed to crack the problem. If you want to give me another word than marxist to describe momentum and the hard left then fine but when i say marxist that's what i mean. Hypocrisy is a matter of opinion and interpretation and i stand by those comments.
And I agree two wrongs don't make a right but i think you ought to widen that lable to more than just me.
We have all been guilty of going over the top and like i said right at the very beginning, we might as well all join in.
And that is exactly what has happened,
We can put a line under it but I will say this here and now, we all have to make the effort, not just one side.

Stop this point scoring copy and paste business and I'll try.

Blah Blah
The current labour party gave boris power and you supported them but you can't see it. That's what is ridiculous.

Ok. Keep making stupid points.

Ok. Keep making stupid points.

Pardon?

Point scoring copy and paste business? Whet does that even mean!?

Are you suggesting I should stop using evidence to support some of the points I’m making in this conversation?

That’s a bit bizarre you are effectively saying stop posting stuff I’m not willing to acknowledge or even attempt to take on board which make your contributions fairly pointless going forward. How is it ‘point scoring’.

You might as well just shout ‘Get Brexit done’ I have heard it’s a legitimate technique when you are backed into a corner.

Probably got other things on her mind atm mr derwent.


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You started it.

Twice

Valiant. I think you will find the tories winning the election was all my fault. And it was also my fault the Labour Party didnt get rid of Corbyn. This of course despite being told a million times that I am not a member of the Labour party so dont get a vote. And the fact that I voted Labour in the only constituency i could Hartlepool that still constitutes me being responsible for the tory victory. Oh to live in Derwents world.

I am still waiting for his comments on the that utter buffoon Hancocks latest comments. Other than his saying something about Dianne Abbott instead.

I don't know who you are trying to convince but it certainly isn't me.
Read ALL of my posts and you will see that I actually called johnson a racist, I actually associated the tory party to islamophobia.
I also said I couldn't and wouldn't vote for either of them but was beating myself up over deserting Caroline Flint. I don't know and have never met the tory candidate.
We have had nine years of tory rule and we are all aware of what has happened during that rule, the austerity, the cutbacks, the food banks, the NHS etc etc and everybody was hurling all that at the tories, quite rightly, and nowhere will you find me defending any of that.
I didn't want a tory government whoever was in charge, johnson or otherwise. Caroline Flint was voted in, in 1997, I voted for her, I did the same right through the labour governments, then when the con/lib-con austerity years arrived she retained my vote.
I have said that ad nauseam but you have chosen to ignore that because it doesn't suit your argument. I don't prefer johnson to corbyn and have never said that. I don't want either of them and I've said that ad nauseam but, once again you have chose to ignore that.
Rabid support of hard brexits you say. All I have said about brexit since 2016 is I accept the result and that we should all work together to achieve what the people voted for. If you trawl back far enough you will find that is what I said as soon as the result was announced. I have never said I want a hard brexit or a no deal brexit but I believed it was an important negotiating tool and it was.
I don't know what you are implying by bringing fascism into the fray but I'll just remind you that members of my family put their lives on the line defending us against fascism.
I have no obvious joy in the tories winning the election but i am ecstatic that labour were annihilated. I am not alone in that. Hundreds of thousands of traditional labour voters up and down the country are of the same mind. You may not have realised that the labour party, my party, has been taken over by the hard left ( you can put the title of whatever suits you in there but call I them marxists.) Are you actually suggesting that all the miners and former miners, labour stalwarts to a man, are far right supporters, racists, tory supporters even fascists????????? Traditional labour supporters are taking a stance over the state the party has become, it's as simple as that. It's not in support of fascism or any other sinister ideal. It is against communism which is equally as sinister.
I am not on any platform with extremists and to suggest such is another cheap shot.
On wishing me luck on getting brexit done, building hospitals etc etc, it's not me who has promised that old boy. I am not responsible for delivering the tory manifesto. I haven't even read it.
I have quoted what people have said in pubs because that's where these conversations take place. I also quoted what was said in the barber's shop but I wasn't on the train with the two ladies. There are quite a lot of assumptions in your post and very few actual facts about me.
Now then you may have noticed that I bleat on about the labour party being unelectable and that means that we are stuck with the tories for what currently looks like forever.
That is what I'm trying to get across. If we don't have an electable labour party. WHO is going to oust the tories????You....Me???. If I was a tory supporter why would i be bleating on about making labour electable. I would just sit back and enjoy a right wing government knowing we were safe for years to come. Put yer thinking cap on that one.

What you have been told a million times is that until the labour party, the one YOU voted for and I didn't, becomes electable you will be stuck with (insert one or all the names you have called the tories and johnson) for as far as the eye can see and IF( as you would like us all to think) you are passionate about ridding us all of toryism then you SHOULD join the labour party asap and fight to make them electable because that is the only way you will have any hope of getting rid of the tories. So put up or shut up.

On Hancock I agree... utter buffoonery. Sorry for the delay in answering, he's a tory isn't he, you know one of the ones we are stuck with. I would imagine we'll be seeing more buffoonery until all the hot air you supporters of the hard left actually subscribe to, is replaced by a genuine desire to make the labour party electable. Sound familiar. Probably not but I'll keep trying because I love my country whereas you have just voted for a party that would destroy it. Sorry if the truth hurts but you did ask.

But after those two posts your not a tory right?

Oh and I wont be joining any political party. Ever. I have never encountered anyone with such selective memory as you. I will remind you. You should remember because you tried to make hay with it a few pages back. I have only voted Labour twice in the last 5 elections I think. I didnt want a labour majority. I wanted a hung parliament. I wanted PR to stop the lobsided governments we get. I wanted people to vote tactically to stop a tory majority. Now hopefully you have digested that again in the hope it jogs your memory.

Is that the best you can do? Really?
Or are you lost for words?
Now that would be amazing.
You could be stalling for time though whilst your script writers scratch their heads.
Tell them to watch out for splinters.

[quote="Watching from afar"]Oh and I wont be joining any political party. Ever. I have never encountered anyone with such selective memory as you. I will remind you. You should remember because you tried to make hay with it a few pages back. I have only voted Labour twice in the last 5 elections I think. I didnt want a labour majority. I wanted a hung parliament. I wanted PR to stop the lobsided governments we get. I wanted people to vote tactically to stop a tory majority. Now hopefully you have digested that again in the hope it jogs your memory.[/quote

I'm not selective at all but you talk that much shite that it really is a task separating the valid from the crap but I'll get better at it.
So you didn't get anything you wished for, I wonder why?
Hope you have better luck on the 25th.

Whether I talk crap or not as you put it is irrelevant. I give my view so its entirley valid. I suggest you read whats written more carefully and respond to that rather what you want it to say.

For example:

I say I want a hung parliament, you interpret that as I want a Labour Majority. And have done so page after page.

Is this derwent or his next door neighbour?

Not sure. It may well have been the old blue rinse dear he was on the train with on his Conservative club day out to London.