HS2 is essentially a way to move the London Commuter Belt further away, so that the middle management and lower can actually afford somewhere to live. The same has happened with HS1 - places like Ashford (where my in-laws live, so I know it) are now about 40 minutes from Central London, and suddenly there's all these flats appearing for London commuters - converted offices for the serfs, smarter ones for the management. Problem is that it's turning the place into essentially a Dormitory Town, the only bit that's growing is the McArthur Glen Outlet... The same is likely to happen with HS2 - there are some who can already do that, it's well under two hours from Crewe to Euston and I know of some people in this area who have a big country place and then commute down to a pied a terre during the week and then come back. HS2 will just make that easier, I can't see that it would have much other economic impact - they'd be far better improving the transpennine routes for that...

As does every project any government or council undertakes, the initial figure is never the one they end up paying and it never seems to come in cheaper!
You can lay that at the door of all the parties.

From what I can gather EDF also have finincial issues and are not in that great a position just now. I gree with you though re-nationalising it would be hugely problematic but not one the French would be against if EDF were to be properly compensated for doing so.

Use a bit of reverse psychology. Ask yourself if Corbyn is so incompetent and unfit to be PM, why are those , who will have to pay more in tax, throwing everything but the kitchen sink, actually include the kitchen sink, at him?. I'll tell you why ! because they know he is right, because they know he has support, because they are shit scared that he will win and make them pay what they rightly should in order to make society that much better. These bastards don't want to change anything, why would they ? when it currently serves them so well. Thwart Corbyn and his mad plans to make the world a better fairer place and they can carry on making even more money, whilst the rest of us fight amongst ourselves whilst seeing our standard of living and quality of life get worse year on year

Cant argue with that.

So it's now came out that Tories have had meetings with US Pharma companies with a view to trading with them. The NHS is for sale, but Corbyn is old and talked to Gerry Adams before. Completely sensible.

He’s a dangerous man Corbyn and a racist. I have no evidence to support this claim or examples I will keep saying it though.

These next thoughts are totally unrelated just take them as words. How does Arron Banks make his money? The Brexit Party. Democracy. Mugs. Get Brexit done and we’ll be absolutely minted!! Corbyn = dangerous.

If there was any doubt in Corbyn's lack of capability, he well and truly put that to bed last night in his interview with Andrew Neil.

Couldn't agree more.

Nothing else to add. Hope you lot can afford healthcare in your old age. I know I can't so know which way I'm voting.

I can enlarge upon that.
And after the meetings they concluded that the NHS is not for sale. Therefore trumping the americans trump.
I don't believe nice Mr Corbyn would have meetings with terrorists.
Fake news story of the year that is.

It’s in front of your face. If you wish to be blinkered then feel free.

Let me guess, I'll do it by elimination.
You are totally anti racist so that rules out the big two
I don't think you live in scotland so that rules out the snp.

It could be libdem because the leader has got a nice pair of tits
It could be brexit party cos they're a load of tits (allegedly)

Eenie meanie.........Brexit party cos birds of a feather flock together.

I'm really good at crosswords as well.

If you can't get one across, get one down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd say being anti racist rules out the Brexit party first and foremost if I'm honest.

Ah Mr Yloop, I'm afraid you are wrong. It's not in front of my face.
Surely Mr Corbyn doesn't have meetings with terrorists, you'll be saying he has terrorist friends next.
Someone who aspires to being a leader (I use the term loosely)of our beloved country wouldn't cavort with terrorists.
It would be like you supporting racists.................can't happen, you're fantasising.

I've looked again.............nah its not there.

Stop being silly.

Stop looking at the man and look at the bigger picture. It's not hard, get your neighbour to help.

If US drugs companies can supply generic drugs to the NHS cheaper than their EU counterparts then why shouldn't any government explore the option?

Do give over, Corbyn handled probably the most ferocious interviewer very well ( considering he wasn't allowed to get a word in ) and when I say ferocious I don't mean in the sense that Neil is a good journalist, far from it, he is a bully, a fat arrogant prick who eats a Christmas dinner every day whilst begrudging others one a year. Neil is an ex tory MP and probably a millionaire, hardly a platform for an honest open discussion about politics.

This morning in Bishop Cuthbert I saw a person delivering Conservative Party leaflets. When he saw me he hastily said “I’m not a Tory honest, they’re paying me to deliver them!” Staggering beyond belief

Check the prices currently charged by US drugs companies.

Maybe that's what the government were doing.
My buyers would be checking out prices regularly and so would yours if you had any sense.
You're not trying to tell us that corbyn wouldn't do that surely ?????
I know he's daft and dithery but.............

Funny that Mr H, you weren't doing a bit of momentum like intimidation I hope.

Daft and dithery eh? You have had the Johnson memo I see. Next you will be telling us we need to take back control and just get brexit done.

Funny that Mr H, you weren't doing a bit of momentum like intimidation I hope. [/quote]

Momentum ? intimidation ? another myth made up by the right wing press and their either brain dead or nasty readership.

No I haven't had the Johnson memo, Dibbs .Can you post your copy?
I have already told you we need to take back control, especially control of the labour party.
Can't see brexit ever getting done.
I wouldn't want it done if Corbyn was negotiating it.
The EU negotiators would suck him in and blow him out for toffee paper.
Can just imagine it.
EU right is that it then, do we all agree
Corbyn I can't say, I'm neutral.

Daft and dithery sums it up perfectly.

Did someone else post this ages ago? Cant remember where it came from, old age I suspect



https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/stat ... 66464?s=21

Or This

https://badboysofbrexit.com/2018/01/16/richard-tice/

Ah Mr Yloop, I'm afraid you are wrong. It's not in front of my face.
Surely Mr Corbyn doesn't have meetings with terrorists, you'll be saying he has terrorist friends next.
Someone who aspires to being a leader (I use the term loosely)of our beloved country wouldn't cavort with terrorists.
It would be like you supporting racists..............can't happen, you're fantasising.

I've looked again...........nah its not there.

Stop being silly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... IC4H2F9C-D

It seems a lot of people believe that you can never make peace with terrorists, and make the countries involved safer and better places. Not sure how anything ever gets resolved with that way of thinking. And of course a large number still believe Brittania rules the waves.

Ah I wonder how many times that's been quoted around the country.
I'm not suprised. Obviously momentum.

Of course Britannia rules the waves, there's a song about it.
Silly billy.

You're just doing it to be a bell end now. Another one for the block list.

Courtesy of pictures of politicians and the royalty being photographed with the IRA have been posted on this forum.
These pictures were taken after the peace process was agreed.
A peace process that has prevented the probable slaughter of hundreds,if not thousands, of our fellow citizens.
I don't know what Mr hopes to gain from this obvious attempt to mislead people. There has been a lot of this sort of deception from all sides but this cheap shot really takes the biscuit.
I suggest that Mr has a rethink if only out of respect for the guy who started this site and who put his life on the line in Northern Ireland.
The idiots who compiled this montage, I would guess momentum, can't even recognise that Prince Charles isn't a politician.
I would guess that incident stuck in the Prince's throat but he allowed himself to be photographed, deflected his thoughts and did it for the sake of the nation.
If we are stooping to these depths, I suggest this thread is closed.

Edited, thanks

My mistake. I apologise. Edited it.

If you meet with your enemies to bring peace, where are the pictures of Corbyn with the UVF?

I wonder what boris Johnson was doing in his younger days. Probably having sex with a pig at the bullingdon club.

Aye its called a gammon.

Doesn’t suit the agenda for those to be shared by the sun and the daily mail sheep.

To highlight the imbalance, search as long as you like for evidence of Corbyn being directly racist or using racist language. Then do the same with Boris Johnson. Here’s one quote (of a huge list);

“It is only “natural” for people to be scared of Islam
"the problem is Islam. Islam is the problem.”
"when is someone going to get 18th century on Islam's medieval ass?””

This goes unchecked whilst Corbyn is being called racist on a daily basis on an industrial scale, and it’s completely unfounded. Transfer the words Islam and replace them with any other religion or race. Just to reiterate that was not written by Tommy Robinson or Katy Hopkins it was by the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

The UVF didn't want a united Ireland, they were happy with the status quo, so why would anyone want to meet with them?. Regardless they , unlike the IRA were just a bunch of vicious thick as , glorified football thugs, who couldn't have organised a piss up in a brewery had they not sadly been backed up by the British Armed Forces.

Corbyn is whiter than white, a good Socialist has to be, and you can see why. Anyone who vows to fund the making of a better world through taxing the rich and big corporations is going to be in for a rough ride. Fair play to him for riding the storm , so much for being unfit to be PM. Its not the first time this has happened, it happens with all the Robin Hood type characters in British History, though I have to say the bullying of Corbyn is unprecedented , hopefully people will see through all this. Look at South America, Venezuela , Bolivia, any politician who wants to make things better for the majority at the expense of the rich paying just a little bit more, is soon subject to an American backed coup. I find it hard to believe people are so thick as to not be able to see through this.

So if some the Corbyn interview was car crash, what the hell does that make this?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... o-20978043

I don't agree with Johnson's comments on islam or any other religion and he is a racist and he doesn't get my support and everybody can make their own mind up whether they think his apology is sincere.

The tories are claiming they're going to have an enquiry starting at Christmas with the intent of eliminating islamaphobia, like labour did with anti semitism. I'll wait and see on that one because both parties have now recognised their respective problems and vow to eliminate them. That is a good start but the cynic in me recommends that I hold back and await the results.

This got me thinking ( yes it sometimes happens) and i asked myself if I come into the category of being "naturally frightened of anything" Apart from a hungry crocodile hurtling towards me
Shortly after the lockerbie airplane crash I was in that area and decided to have a look. That had an effect on me. Ever since then, when travelling by air, I wonder if the plane is going to be safe and have the security gadgies done their job properly. And since lockerbie i never whinge about the sometimes long delays in airports,. reminding myself that they are doing it for my safety.

Added to that, we went on a motoring holiday to ireland and every morning i looked underneath the car.
The wife asked me what i was doing that for. Just checking, says me.

And the third example is when i am on the london underground the thought crosses my mind as to whether some bastard has planted a bomb or not.

I don't think I'm mind bogglingly scared but just cautious, I suppose "naturally" cautious. The security people advise us to be cautious. Report anything that looks suspicious they say. Well I've yet to do that but i've seen plenty of dodgy looking characters, not you PJ, especially carrying rucksacks.
I don't naturally think Islam or Christian but Isis and IRA have crossed my mind. That's only one step away from mentioning a religion.

is anybody else as cautious as me ????

If people want to see Corbyn's interview as a car crash then' that's what will happen.
There is bias on all sides and you are no different.
We all favour our own side and are biased towards it.
Once you grasp that, you've got your answer.
There is nobody on this planet who is more biased against referees than I am but only when Pools are playing. I watch other games and often say " not a bad ref today"
It is exactly the same on here.
I am on safe ground at the moment cos no party appeals to me.

He'll be gonner than gone once he gets labour into power, and it is possible, because he will then become superfluous to momentum's requirements and replaced in a flash, after due consultation with the Kremlin, unless they remain happy leaving their puppet in the hot seat whilst the commissars beaver away destroying the country.

Just had a walk round to get me hair cut. It is chucking it down and if it continues we could get flooding again.
There was a lib dem leaflet on the mat.
It started......Dear friend, What a mess the country the country seems to be.........
They can't even get their leaflet worded right. It obviously hasn't been proof read.
The barber asked me "What's you choice then ?" I said that's the problem there is no choice.
He said that he hasn't had one person in his shop who said they were voting for corbyn.
He said he thought some people are just saying that because they are following the majority and don't want to be the odd one out.
I asked him who he was voting for and he said "I can't make up my mind but one thing is for certain, it won't be Corbyn"
I said, same as me.
This area has a lot of ex miners who backed Scargill to the hilt but given their time over again wouldn't give him the time of day.
They don't want another communist is the stock answer. They all sound good but feather their own nest and fuck everybody else.
And to be fair Scargill had all the trimmings that would suggest tory. Worth quite a bit if brass our Arthur.
The miners didn't used to talk like that but, as they've got older, they realise they were played for mugs.
Looks like it's happening again but with different mugs.

Surely the only thing preventing him being ousted in a flash is the huge grass roots support he has, all party members with a vote.
Maybe you think he's susceptible to do one at the first sign of trouble, but he doesn't come across as a quitter to me.

I'm not saying he'll quit Monty. i'm saying he'll be ousted.
On the doorsteps canvassers are saying the biggest objection is the leadership, which I've always said.
It wouldn't take much to water that huge grass roots majority down if momentum withdraw their support.
If he loses, he'll get the blame.
We'll see.
I've been into town and the castle and masons arms are still there, didn't go in though

I read that like a poem.