You do wonder when it became acceptable to make shed loads of money by making hundreds of other people redundant and destitute. And call it capitalism.

Since the advent of social media and the willingness of brainwashed sheep to perpetuate lies and smear campaigns against the people who actually care.

It's almost as if it was designed and targeted that way by some kind of outside beneficiary.... nah, Kev from Rotherham made his own mind up, I'm sure.

"The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled,
public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be
tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be
curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt. People must again learn to
work instead of living on public assistance." --- Cicero, 55 BC

So, evidently we've learned bugger all over the past 2,074 years !!

Well if your lot get in and nationalise everything that moves they will be able to use the profits for the benefit of all until the business rapidly runs out of money and starts costing the taxpayer to prop it up.
However, by that time, the businesses that pay the tax will have moved elsewhere, previous taxpayers will be redundant, borrowing will have reached a point where the IMF will get involved until they too call a halt.
The country will grind to a halt and become bankrupt and social media will be in overload because everyone will be screaming and shouting for change, using their free broadband, whilst telling everyone and any one it wasn't their fault cos they only voted tactically to keep the tories out. At that point the tories will get back in as usual and then the whole merry go round will start again, like it has been doing since the second world war.
It comes under the heading WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN.
But you carry on old chum, i'm sure the wealth creators will knuckle down, pay for Corbyn's braindead schemes and allow themselves to be squeezed dry. Of course they will.
Do remember one thing when you are lambasting people for causing shed loads of redundancies that the shedloads of jobs you are referring to were created by these people in the first place.
You keep doing it time and time again which gets the tories back time and time again.
One day you people just might wake up and..............nah it need intelligence, vision and foresight to do that.
You really do make it easy for them.

I think it is a shame that Jo Swinson isn't allowed to take part in the leader's debates.

I'm glad you have some idea what she is on about, Phil but I think she is easier on the eye than Wouldn't and Couldn't.

What a depressing read this thread is I'm out.

I see the worlds biggest politic fraud has been interviewed on ITV tonight. What a nasty bit of work that fella is.

McDonnell?

Corbyn has also promised everyone a free box of jaffa cakes every day for the rest of their lives.

Well at least they are trying to equalise society. Unlike Johnson who yet agains only comment revolved around Brexit and his pathetic soundbites

And tonight it was revealed that the Tories have received £5m of funding from the rich and big business. I wonder how they can afford that. The other parties between then have received less than million between them.

Can you be trusted with money.The IFS have said the Labour party's manifesto is a piss take.

1776.

The answer to 1776 is it was the year the first St Leger was run at Doncaster.
In the Red Lion in Doncaster market place ( which is still there) a wager was struck between two of the nobility namely, The Earl St Leger and Lord Rockingham. It was effectively a match.
Lord Rockingham's horse won and it was decided to run it every year and that it should be called after Rockingham. He declined and suggested the race should be called The St Leger after his friend.
There was something happening in America as well but you can look that up for yourselves.

cannot remember lord rockingham but remember lord rockinghams 11. hoots mon.

Shame about the Red Lion becoming just another Wetherspoon/Yates clone. I hope the Castle and the Masons still haven't.

I don't go into town much, Monty. I'll check and let you know.

I don't go into town much, Monty. I'll check and let you know.

Looks like I'm going in twice.

Quick question for those who suggest Labour's spending promises will cripple the economy. What has happened to the national debt under the Tories. A quick clue, it hasn't gone down, despite austerity being, supposedly, about reducing the debt.

This is what gets me about a lot of Labour voters, they dont understand that debt will continue to rise while you are spending more than you bring in, in other words the difference between debt and deficit. Despite the cuts we still have a deficit in spending so the overall debt will continue to rise. Had we kept spending like the last Labour government were, our debt would be far greater than it currently is.

Anyone see that loon Hartlepool MP try to explain the Labour Brexit stance? Comical.

The Fat Man has just said, the debt has gone up under the tories, in fact Its tripled, yet I thought Austerity was supposed to claw back all the money Labour spent. At least Labour had something to show for their spending, what have the tories to show for tripling the debt?. The country was booming between 1997 and 2006, most people appeared happy, I don't see that now. Labour put money into peoples pockets the Tories put it into their own pockets I'm afraid the only loon on here mate is you.

Don't always agree with Horden but he's bang on here.

Just spotted Billy Liar (Johnson) on MSN in a photo with the workforce at Wilton Engineering during his tour of the North. The lads are displaying a placard with 'we love boris' on it. They are in the middle of probably the most deprived area of the country and they LOVE this idiot. I wish I was clever enough to cut and paste this photo, unbelievable

Turkeys voting for Christmas just how The Sun wants them to behave.

It beggers belief it really does. 5Live were in Norwich today and the amount of working class people that seemed to understand financial stuff was staggering. So an umemployed fella says hes voting tory because the Labour spending pledge will bankruot the country. This fella was unemployed. Seems tory austerity is better for him than public spending. You really cant make this stuff up. Yes yes I know I am on the dole and cant make ends meet but balancing the books is far more important.

Bang on wrong.
You get paid £100 a week and spend £200 you have a deficit of £100 and a debt of £100.
You make cut backs and get your spending down £10 a week until you are on a break even, your deficit is zero but your debt would be close on £600 by the time you get your spending in check.
If you cant understand basic budgeting like that then you shouldn't even be trusted with a vote.

OK so lets just leave most people in austerity and dont care about food banks nor the homeless. Its far more important to help google and amazon avoid tax. And allow Rees Mogg and the others to make fortunes betting against the pound. Whats the point in trying to make a better fairer and more equal society. Its not like they have to have a chance of making the country a fairer place and spending more money to do it. Oh no. I am going to assume you are one of the lucky well off ones loan star.

Maybe I'm thick, but after the first week you owe £100
After the second week you spend £10 and pay off £90 so you only owe £10
After the third week you spend £10, pay off £10 owing and have £80 profit.

Where have I gone wrong?

Ah you are a Blairite after all. I thought as much. A proper labour man.
So what sort of person abandons the 1997-2006 way of doing the job, which you have rightly praised, in favour of clowns like Corbyn and his marxist mates????
You can still advocate the policies of those golden years and tell these hi-jackers to fuck right off.
A word of warning..........you will have noticed the patronising sick comments by Yloop, just ignore them , mate.
I don't normally agree with Horden .................sheer arrogant claptrap.
You come back my friend and welcome.
You and me know how to get rid of tories, this lot on here haven't got a clue. We've done it before and we can do it again.
There is only one way of getting rid of the tories and austerity, so let's do it.

From your second sentence Ms Abbot.

So you are talking about numbers, maths.

Not about people, human beings, being happy.

Kids going to school hungry and searching through bins, homeless people dying in our streets, people dying because of austerity and the lack of basic services like a local A&E or Ambulance. Surely human life is worth more than saving a few bob?

If he wins next month our part of the World is completely fucked, and somehow 'Boris' is the most popular Tory ever with easily lead.

Plus the odious and embarrassing bloke who is somehow Prime Minister right now is on about building 40 hospitals. Is that basic lying or budgeting?

Governments can borrow money at very low interest rates.
Buy very profitable industries like rail, water and power.
The profits cover the interest payment and you still have a net profit.
Use this net profit to improve the service to the public and industry or use it to subside NHS etc.

With all due respect, apart from a throwaway comment about a black, female member of the shadow cabinet what do you have to say about the government that is in charge right now? What are they doing well, name one thing. How will them securing a majority in the General Election benefit a Town like Hartlepool? Give those questions a go. I bet you won't and can't.

Our part of the world? Thought you were sunning it up these days?
Ben Houchen has done more for this part of the world in a year or so than any labour politician in decades.

Yet again Corbyn spoke clearly and like a human. Yet again johnson talks in riddles and is obsessed with Brexit. Yet the commentators all claim none if it will harm Johnson. I honestly think a lit of people like food banks and living on the bread line and doffing their caps to their superiors.

I suppose people who queue outside churches etc waiting for a hot meal whilst smoking a tab, holding can of beer, wearing the latest trainers could maybe review their priorities, maybe get a job or just toss away their whole life being looked after by the state, I would tell the lot of the able bodied to get a job or don`t eat, like other countries do, no wonder every fucker wants to come here!

Can I make a suggestion.
Are you prepared to stand outside a food bank and observe who goes in and who comes out and then report on what you see........honestly, or are you prepared to work in a food bank for at least a fortnight non stop and report honestly on what you see.
If you have already done this and can give a report on your observations, you have my complete respect.
If you haven't then shut the fuck up.
Is there any part of that you don't understand.
For years now mate you have, through your various guises, clogged this board up purely for your own agenda and to be absolutely frank with you it is about time you grew up.
People have a go at Monkeybutt for what they describe as his various faces well he is an absolute novice compared to this poster who is no less a celebrity than Dibble.
Give us a break mate.
It's not clever what you do, we can all do it and I have been tempted but my respect for the guy who started the board and for the genuine posters who use it, I and others have resisted.

We all know the theory, the problem is that all this has been done before and ended in disaster.
Do you think any hard nosed businessman will invest in the uk, build up a profitable business only to watch corbyn take it off him.
To save your energy the answer is no he won't.
Also governments get preferential rates when their economy is sound, when it isn't they get ripprd off just like everybody else.
Ask Greece, Italy and Spain.

He has also done absolutely nothing about Stockton's Western Parish villages losing their only bus service. All he's promised is this "uber" bus scheme, which is a pipe dream at best.

But I will give him his credit, he has actually put lots of time and effort into the airport and the freeport thingy he keeps talking about is a cool idea.

I didn’t realise when you moved somewhere you stopped being from or caring about where you have lived for 98% of your life and where most of your family and friends still are..... how foolish of me!

The current government is a matter of months old. The previous May administration was woeful.

The current government is proposing sensible spending plans which won’t lead to recession and a huge increase in the cost of living for us all.

Corbyn and his pals proposals for nationalisation and corporation tax will lead to recession, increased unemployment and a rise in prices in the shops. You can’t tax business and not expect them to have to increase their prices to cover their costs unless you think that they are operating as a charity and prepared to go bust. And that’s before you consider their open borders policy which means that their proposed spending on the likes of health and education will only be enough to stand still at best due to increased demand on those services and further housing shortages.

You need to try and look at the bigger picture and the implications and beyond the slogans and hyperbole. Even those within the Labour Party who have an ounce of economic knowledge know that they cannot deliver everything that they’re promising but the leadership are working on the basis that they won’t have to because they know they won’t get the majority needed to implement their pie in the sky thinking and are instead relying on enough people to be daft enough to fall for their shit to be able to get into some kind of coalition where they can just concentrate on what their London and southern city supporters want such as stopping Brexit. If you believe that the current Labour Party have any interest in northern towns like Hartlepool then I’m afraid you’re falling for their shit along with many others in this part of the country.

PJ.....

It doesn’t stop you caring it just means that you are out of touch. I’m guilty of this myself. I grew up in a poor area and in a family where we had enough income to eat for probably 5/6 days a week. Now I live in a nice area and we are financially comfortable without being wealthy. I wouldn’t give any thought to paying 60/70/80 quid for a meal for me and the missus but there are families who have less than that a week to live on.

Consequently my views on poverty and the underclass are pretty worthless in terms of direct experience. I can have a general opinion but I am fortunate enough to have never needed to visit a food bank. This being the case my opinion has much less validity than someone who does.

You’re in the same boat. You might give a shit but you actually know very little about it.

Oi, You! Derwent , as I am having problems with the quote option for some unknown reason.

Not a Bliarite at all , hate the fooker. Just pointing out that life was much better for many then than it is now, even though it was fuelled by personal debt. That bloke nearly destroyed the Labour Party and Corbyn is having to pick up the pieces. Under Bliars tenure though, there were things to show for all the money spent, under the tories who have racked up even more debt there is nothing to show for it but cuts, strange in a country that's apparently booming, maybe the money went in millionaires pockets turning them into billionaires , just a theory. What Bliar and neo liberalism does wrong is try and provide services, keep everyone happy without taxing the rich and big business , it cant be done as Bliar/Brown eventually proved. Corbyn is going to tax the rich and big business to his manifesto, given a chance that will work, though there could be a downturn initially while the country re-adjusts( my thoughts not Labours ). Now that's proper Labour . I'm sorry but I'm not going to get all upset over some hard nosed businessman seeing his savings go down from a million to 900 thousand, for the sake of helping those less well off, a better society, where we can be all proud of our rail service and the fact that no one is sleeping on the streets or having to pop into the foodbank on the way home from work, that is so pre World War 2. From that period on up until Thatcher things improved for the vast majority and the rich had to sell their stately homes and downsize to a 10 bed in Belgravia. again my heart bleeds NOT.

Of course if it ever did work, and people were lifted out of poverty, became happier, then no doubt there would be some sort of military coup or military funded uprising by the greedy such as you see in South America.

Capitalism - Anybody can be rich
Communism -Nobody one can be rich
SOCIALISM - Anybody can be rich but nobody should be poor

I could be wrong Ronnie but are you struggling to decide which way to vote?

Nope, even a bad Labour party such as that under Bliar and Miliband would get my vote. This Labour Party is music to my ears, though I appreciate it may not appeal to enough people. I did vote to leave the EU though and I am disappointed in Labour wanting a second referendum, this could be a game changer IMO , that could cost them the election. I would rather they had taken the stance of just getting it done, but emphasising that Labour could get a better deal than the clown Johnson and that leaving the EU would be less painful under them than the tories. The tories never do anything for the working class and the North East, so its always a no brainer for me.

If in Hartlepool, here’s some advice
‘Bout a candidate named Richard Tice.
He’s one of those worms
Who buys up bankrupt firms.
You’ll be putting your balls in a vice.

Two excellent posts by Ripper and Mr I.
Two things my grannie used to say ( but not the only two )
Make putting food on the table an absolute priority and if you can't afford it you can't have it.(referring to "luxuries")
Absolutely true, not made up, not racist, not defending the elderly, not trying to educate anyone.
For absolute clarity it was thrown at us by my dad, who was quoting his mam. We were all clamouring for a tele, our first one and we couldn't afford it.
Eventually we got one, a 17 inch, black and white Ferguson, from Binns. I think it was £97 !!!!
A bit different to the one that is in our living room now.

Message to PJ and the two Y's.( I'd include Dibble but I don't who he is today)
Tv's were available, they were mostly black and white, you could buy then at Binns, my dad was real, so was his mam and she was my grannie, so no ageist remarks please.
I don't remember the first programme we watched on it but the first one I watched on my first colour tele was Thunderbirds.

My main memories of childhood tellies is how friggin unreliable they were. ‘Lennie the telly’ and his box of replacement valves was in our house more than I was!