Anyone still in favour of it like they were at the outset when people said it would ruin football?

Is anyone prepared to defend the indefensible? Any fans of offside armpits and big toes?

Clubs including Pools outside of its ridiculous remit should build a whole marketing strategy on games being a VAR free zone!!

Who’d have thought this didn’t lend itself to a sport in which many
of the applications of the laws are subjective decisions? What anyone you say with a modicum of common sense and a about 30 seconds thought.....

It's the best thing that could ever of happened for the lower leagues, no wonder teams like pools are pulling in 3000 plus, in our lowest ever position, south shields getting 2000 for games in the evo stick, let's hope this farce continues.

You can’t see how it can continue to be honest, it will damage the Premier Leagues brand ultimately and the top clubs aren’t going to even risk being hit financially.

Watching Jeff Stelling on Saturday I can’t remember which game it was but the player who scored didn’t even celebrate because it looked like a tight offside and the goal stood. Absolutely sucking the joy out of and complicating a very simple game. As predicted....

Its destroyed the game. It wouldnt even be so bad if it just got decisions correct. That Sheffield united non goal on saturday was scandalous. There were two more phases of play after that so called toe offside. Yesterday Manchester City were robbed blind by someone using VAR who clearly wanted Liverpool to benefit. He had to otherwise he is incompetent beyond belief. Last season Manchester city had a goal disallowed for what VAR claimed to be a clear hand ball yet yesterday they claimed it wasnt clear enough. Its just farcical and seemingly corrupt.

I'm not one to normally agree with you but spot on, it is grade A shit.

The Sheffield United one was a clear case of VAR searching desperately for a reason to disallow the goal. Why would they do that unless someone was trying too hard to find things? It took over 3 minutes to find something and even then it was debatable. There must be a margion of error in the technology as well but they act like its perfect.

There seems to an attitude in football circles that they must re-invent the wheel have there own system rather than adopt the way the egg chasers use the technology. If the referee in rugby awards a try there has to be manifest error before that decision is overturned. If there is doubt the try remains. The images are shown at the ground on the big screen and the referee decides, in conjunction with the TMO, if he has to overturn his decision. Its daft that someone in a hut hundreds of miles away can tell the referee what the decision is without his input and with the crowd having no idea what's being looked at.

its typical football authority arrogance.

What about the blatant foul on the Leicester centre-half that was ignored by the Ref and then VAR? I have never seen a more obvious penalty, yet it was ignored by VAR, I guess because they didn't want to disagree with the Referee...

The worst part is the tweets from the EPL after saying looker looker we were right he was offside by half a toe nail


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There was a handball immediately beforehand so it's irrelevant.

Back to the original subject, if it was used in the right way it would be a brilliant thing. It's not being used properly

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There was a handball immediately beforehand so it's irrelevant.

Back to the original subject, if it was used in the right way it would be a brilliant thing. It's not being used properly

What is using it properly? What would be brilliant about it?

I only see it fit for purpose in two areas, goal line technology which we already had and it works and instances of violent conduct or serious foul play missed by the referee, your outright howler if you wish. You don’t need anyone in shed miles away for either.

Other than that it just doesn’t lend itself to the game and isn’t effective like it can be in other sports. Football was fine for a long time without this nonsense.

With regards to the Man City forwards handball, it’s irrelevant if you go by the FAs own rules, which say that an attacking players hand ball would only become a relevant issue for VAR if the attacking team scored.

I’ll be honest l think VAR is horrendous in football and just as bad in rugby. For example neither of England’s two disallowed tries against New Zealand were clear or obvious, certainly not as clear or obvious as the forward passes in South Africa’s first try in the final. Maybe I’m slightly biased.....

I have got used to it but I still don’t like it in cricket to be honest, at least they have got the process right and the crowd are allowed to be involved in what is actually going on though. But the game stops after every ball and they actually have suitable technology for decisions which are a matter of fact. I would prefer instant decisions being permanent though all the time it’s what watching sport is all about, this years Ashes might have been a bit different though!!

It’s just got no place in Football I am struggling with a single way it enhances the sport.

No there wasnt. It should have been a penalty despite what the VAR liars are trying to peddle. Accidental hand ball is not an offence.

Bobby Madley
@BobbyMadley2
Point of law...as Silva handled the ball (albeit accidental) before TAA did this would have been penalised even if a penalty had been awarded. Attacking handball doesn't have to be deliberate. So, a penalty would never have been possible due to it touching Silva hand in build up

Mark Clattenburg for the Daily Mail
Manchester City should NOT have had a penalty before Fabinho's goal for Liverpool

Dermot Gallagher
Ref Watch: VAR correct to stick with on-field decision for Trent Alexander-Arnold handball, says Dermot Gallagher

So that is 3 former Premier League referees opinions all saying it was the correct decision. I suspect they know more about the matter than you guys.

If you want to admit you hate Liverpool or "The Premiershit" why don't you just say so. You'll feel loads better for it.

I hate the Tories. There, I said it!

Bobby Madley
@BobbyMadley2
Point of law...as Silva handled the ball (albeit accidental) before TAA did this would have been penalised even if a penalty had been awarded. Attacking handball doesn't have to be deliberate. So, a penalty would never have been possible due to it touching Silva hand in build up

Mark Clattenburg for the Daily Mail
Manchester City should NOT have had a penalty before Fabinho's goal for Liverpool

Dermot Gallagher
Ref Watch: VAR correct to stick with on-field decision for Trent Alexander-Arnold handball, says Dermot Gallagher

So that is 3 former Premier League referees opinions all saying it was the correct decision. I suspect they know more about the matter than you guys.

If you want to admit you hate Liverpool or "The Premiershit" why don't you just say so. You'll feel loads better for it.

I hate the Tories. There, I said it!

Ah so referees stick togther and that makes them correct? Every footballer that has commented has said penalty, and I know who knows football more.

Its not about hating Liverpool, its about hating VAR. Although Liverpool do seem to be benefiting quite a bit. Isnt there also a debate about the second being offside but it wasnt scrutinised in quite the same graphic detail that sheff utds was? Wonder why that was?

The refs also claimed that the decision against Jack Grelish from aston villa was also correct a few weeks back. Which was also ridiculous.

That hasn't addressed any of the issues raised or questions I asked.

I certainly don't hate the Premier League or any club in it either, I love the game and don't wish to see something that spoils my enjoyment of it.

At the Spurs Champions League game last week they spent nearly seven minutes trying to pick fault with a goal that ended up standing. Clear and obvious!? This while nobody in the stadium knows whats going on and nobody at home is party to what is going on apart from pictures and silence.

I have no problem with either of the decisions with those handballs the referees made on the pitch, neither were clear and obvious errors. VAR has taken the handball law to the level of farce.

One of the worst things is this whole fallout from every match, tweets from ex referees going into specific wording of laws, people drawing stupid lines of still pictures with arrows pointing at peoples arm pits as an example. How can you prove or disprove an offside with a still photo that isn't even in line? It's tedious and so far away from what football should be about, raw, passionate, organic it's untrue. Wasn't this meant meant to end controversy? Wasn't it meant to remove human error? You can't do it when many of the calls are subjective. It doesn't work, it is spoiling the game it will never be brilliant. It needs scrapping.

Good to see Bobby Madley tweeting after those allegations last year though, I hope he's rover it, it must have been a woof time for him.

Ah so referees stick togther and that makes them correct? Every footballer that has commented has said penalty, and I know who knows football more.

Its not about hating Liverpool, its about hating VAR. Although Liverpool do seem to be benefiting quite a bit. Isnt there also a debate about the second being offside but it wasnt scrutinised in quite the same graphic detail that sheff utds was? Wonder why that was?

The refs also claimed that the decision against Jack Grelish from aston villa was also correct a few weeks back. Which was also ridiculous.[/quote]

I reckon my fact-based post trumps your speculation based one so for me, conversation over

just need another VAR to check if the one being used is correct.

You haven’t posted any facts Jish, they are subjective interpretations of an ever changing and very confused law of the game that has been heightened by the introduction of VAR. we are seeing some ridiculous handball decisions, how about the Manchester City disallowed goal against Tottenham earlier in the season? Last minute winner, crowd and players going wild. Along comes the joy hoovering, game destroying VAR to find a spurious reason that it won’t count.

I think only you and Matt Le Tissier are left I think and he only does it to get bites on Twitter. I see all the clubs are writing to the Premier League raising concerns with one already proposing it is scrapped altogether. Anyone who loves the game needs to unite and end this bollocks.

So all 3 above coincidentally agree. The way I see it is they have all colluded to avoid making what is already a farce and even bigger farce. I think those who modified the laws of the game to accommodate VAR are the culprits of slowly destroying the game we have all grown up with and played. THE LAW IS AN ASS!!!

Madley says attacking handball doesn't have to be deliberate so goal at the other end stands as the hand ball against Silva would have been a free kick.

Strangely though the hand ball by the Newcastle player two weeks ago was analysed by var and deemed to accidental and the goal stood.

So the refs are making it up as they go along.

I'll tell you what the main downside of TMO in rugby is.
There's a big fuck-off screen in the stadium, let's say in the Aviva (ex-Lansdowne Road) in Dublin, showing the exact same images the TMO and the viewers at home are watching.
A possibly dodgy event by a Toulouse player in a European match against Leinster goes unnoticed by the ref and the touch judges, but you hear the crowd howling.
The Irish television crew picks up on it and plays it over and over, with the crowd hollering louder and louder each time.
The referee finally succumbs and asks for a TMO replay.
A little later, there's a possibly dodgy event this time by a Leinster player. But this one doesn't get replayed over and over in the park, only back in Toulouse on French TV, where nobody can hear les personnes howling.

Coming back those TMO interventions in Eng vs NZ, both picked up by the TMO rather than Nigel Owens, the decisions were proven to be right (albeit nitpicky in the second case).
In the previous game against the Aussies, the ref overrruled the TMO who had answered no to "was there a forward pass" in that last minute consolation try. He said something akin to "even Stevie Wonder could see it was forward".

If the replay can't clearly show an outcome, the outcome didn't happen. But the ref always has the last word.

They've spent umpteen years running the system in. Was association football even aware that other sports were a rich source of tips on how not to completely balls it up?