Amber Rudd bins de Pfeffel

[RAY52]

Another one has bailed. How many more? Will there be anyone left by next weekend? Rats, sinking ship, spring to mind

[Blue Beard]

It’s brilliant, isn’t it? The Tory party is eating itself from the inside out! I’m loving it! Give Corbyn his due: he has seen off three PMs and has reduced the Tory austerity regime to a quivering wreck without a majority.

Excellent work!

[Clarence road kid]

I'm wondering if those Tory party members who recently elected Bojo as their leader are beginning to regret their actions?

[Pooly_Imp]

I dont think theres a level of Tory crapness low enough for Corbyn to ever get into power. Labour government....perhaps.

[PJPoolie]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/opi ... ssion=true

A little snapshot of how we are being viewed by the rest of the World right now.

[RAY52]

I'm wondering if those Tory party members who recently elected Bojo as their leader are beginning to regret their actions?

Rudd er less, perhaps?

[Bluestreak]

Its like watching Phil Tufnell bat...............sorry Phil.

[TalbotAvenger]

I dont think theres a level of Tory crapness low enough for Corbyn to ever get into power. Labour government....perhaps.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again and don’t give a fuck about the ones on here

Anyone who votes this current lot it again and hasn’t got a fucking load of money pugged away somewhere, or a brilliant pension plan and private health care provision wants their fucking head looking at

[Bluestreak]

"Anyone who votes this current lot it again and hasn’t got a fucking load of money pugged away somewhere, or a brilliant pension plan and private health care provision wants their fucking head looking at"

I find it difficult to disagree with your comments Mr Talbot and the full unedited paragraph would look great on a poster next to the big Tescos roundabout.

I often wonder why some ordinary people vote conservative. There would be no economic or social reasons for the decision and certainly those who i have spoken to never really put forward a positive reason why they do. Often they quote only negatives comments relating to the other parties.
I can only conclude that they do it to set themselves apart from the "rest" which gives them a feeling of superiority as they have a link with the rich and powerful. Bit like political sadomasochism.

[Clarence road kid]

I too wonder why people who ain't got a pot to pee in vote for the rich and powerful; p'raps they see themselves as doing "their" duty? and one day they might, they hopefully, just might, be introduced to their political masters ! ( I've believe it's at this point that they very humbly orgasm) Lol

[Pooly_Imp]

Let's hope the Labour party sees sense then and gets itself new leadership and gets into power. Only way its gonna happen.

[Mr Irrelevant]

Conservative Party members circular.... GO BORIS.



The Conservative Party

Dear Mr Mcque,

Four days ago Corbyn demanded an election. Two days ago, Corbyn told his MPs to block it. So the man who has called for an election more than 30 times since 2017, is now stopping the people from having it. Corbyn is trying to tie our hands and delay Brexit. So don’t let him.

The truth is I don’t want an election. I want to get on with the job – leaving the EU by October 31st and investing in the country’s priorities. Like hospitals, police and schools. But Labour MPs have left us no choice. They just passed a law that would force me to beg Brussels for an extension to the Brexit deadline.

This is something I will never do.

This would cause more delay and more chaos. And that means our economy would suffer and our priorities would be ignored. I won’t accept Labour’s delay. That’s why I’m calling for an election. We’ll deliver Brexit by October 31st. No ifs, no buts.

Then we’ll get on with making it work. That means investing in the priorities we all share – like hospitals, police and schools and the support of members like you will make all of it possible. Labour’s delay would leave us in limbo. So if you want to deliver Brexit by October 31st [followed by images of a call to arms for campaigning]



Yours sincerely,

Boris Johnson
Prime Minister

[Yossarian]

Well if he’s written a letter saying that’s what he’s going to do, then that’s as good as done...

Yours Sincerely

Some gadgie.

[Bluestreak]

Not quite the "we will fight them on the beaches" statement.
Maybe Nicholas Soames MP who is Churchill grandson might be able to confirm.
Oh he was booted out of the conservative party for voting against Boris.

[RAY52]

Conservative Party members circular.... GO BORIS.



The Conservative Party

Dear Mr Mcque,

Four days ago Corbyn demanded an election. Two days ago, Corbyn told his MPs to block it. So the man who has called for an election more than 30 times since 2017, is now stopping the people from having it. Corbyn is trying to tie our hands and delay Brexit. So don’t let him.

The truth is I don’t want an election. I want to get on with the job – leaving the EU by October 31st and investing in the country’s priorities. Like hospitals, police and schools. But Labour MPs have left us no choice. They just passed a law that would force me to beg Brussels for an extension to the Brexit deadline.

This is something I will never do.

This would cause more delay and more chaos. And that means our economy would suffer and our priorities would be ignored. I won’t accept Labour’s delay. That’s why I’m calling for an election. We’ll deliver Brexit by October 31st. No ifs, no buts.

Then we’ll get on with making it work. That means investing in the priorities we all share – like hospitals, police and schools and the support of members like you will make all of it possible. Labour’s delay would leave us in limbo. So if you want to deliver Brexit by October 31st [followed by images of a call to arms for campaigning]



Yours sincerely,

Boris Johnson
Prime Minister

There’s more carrots in that second paragraph to feed a third world country. I hope the voters see this veg stall if there is an election

[UnreliableSalopian]

"Anyone who votes this current lot it again and hasn’t got a fucking load of money pugged away somewhere, or a brilliant pension plan and private health care provision wants their fucking head looking at"

I find it difficult to disagree with your comments Mr Talbot and the full unedited paragraph would look great on a poster next to the big Tescos roundabout.

I often wonder why some ordinary people vote conservative. There would be no economic or social reasons for the decision and certainly those who i have spoken to never really put forward a positive reason why they do. Often they quote only negatives comments relating to the other parties.
I can only conclude that they do it to set themselves apart from the "rest" which gives them a feeling of superiority as they have a link with the rich and powerful. Bit like political sadomasochism.

Living in a predominately Conservative-voting area, I understand some of the reasons. Where I am is predominately rural, and the whole "Tory Shires" thing is very much a reality; they are seen as the party that best understands rural issues, and more protective of them. This is partly historical - the Labour movement effectively started in the industrial towns and cities, and even now rarely takes seats in the more rural areas, who if they aren't Tory (or possibly Plaid or SNP) are more likely Lib Dem than Labour.

This is also partly because (at least until now) Conservative has been not just a political position, but a social one. Where I am is very much socially conservative: a respect for historical institutions and ways of doing things, and a feeling that what's wanted is not progress, but stability. (I don't necessarily agree with this being the choice, but I think many round here do think like this.) In some of these areas, before the coming of the Welfare State, the rich landowners were also often great benefactors in the community - what you might call a "Social Contract" where money gave you rights, but there was also a sense of obligation - so someone who'd worked their whole life on a farm would expect - and receive - help from their employer once they retired or were ill, rather than from the state. (Incidentally, this was where Thatcher came from in many ways; she expected those doing well to be philanthropic, and was highly disappointed when mainly they weren't....) The rapacious capitalism of say the Manchester Mill-owners, who were much more likely to simply discard those unable to work, was much less of a reality in the shires - and even now there are still signs of that, for example a local former business owner recently built a new Medical Centre for his village - yes at a point that the still family-owned business were trying to play fast and loose with some planning restrictions so it got good publicity, but nevertheless a lot more than just a gesture. So in many areas, there was a feeling that it all worked so why change, and that lingers on.

One of the problems for Boris is that he's effectively hoping that a lot of people who would never consider voting Tory will do so purely because of Brexit - a single-issue election. The reality is that it's unlikely they will, or even if they do, five years later they will go back to their old voting pattern once the single issue is in the past. Farage could split the vote for them unless Boris actually stands up and says that he is not seeking to leave with a deal - that's what the Brexit Party's stated aim is; he can hope that the Brexit Party will take seats across Leave supporting constituencies in the North, but that's far from a foregone conculsion given that even the slightest examination of Farage's past statements reveal that if he gets a share of power, he will pursue the sort of right wing agenda that would have horrified even Thatcher.

[born toulouse]

"The truth is I don’t want an election. I want to get on with the job – leaving the EU by October 31st and investing in the country’s priorities. Like hospitals, police and schools. But Labour MPs have left us no choice. They just passed a law that would force me to beg Brussels for an extension to the Brexit deadline."

OK, that's the entire project Boris strategy summed up. Simple answer to the complicated problem of Brexit and pretend to be bothered about the carnage cused by austerity. Blame Labour/Corbyn for anything that doesn't seem to be working and use language that summons up the spirit of the blitz.

You can seethe thinking but the whole thing relies on Boris looking convincing as a Churchillian man of action. At the moment he seems to be a blundering bag of wind and piss who can't even get a simple scripted speech right. Winning a vote and controlling his own MPs are both completely beyond him.

Given the echo-chamber nature of contemporary political discussion and the way No. 10 seems to be communicating through memes the strategy might still work. Nevertheless, the more often things go wrong, his attempted actions fail, and he makes himself look like a total arsehole the less likely that becomes.

[Bluestreak]

Thanks Mr Salopian for your post.
Having lived in a predominately industrial area i can understand those differences outlined.

[Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father]

It’s brilliant, isn’t it? The Tory party is eating itself from the inside out! I’m loving it! Give Corbyn his due: he has seen off three PMs and has reduced the Tory austerity regime to a quivering wreck without a majority.

Excellent work!

I'm not sure it was a great week for Jeremy Corbyn either. Leaving aside the John Mann business and the fact that another Labour turncoat completed her hop over to the Tories recent partners-in-crime the Lib Dems, he's been inveigled into joining the 'Rebel Alliance' by Starmer and co.

Then there was Emily Thornberry's pathetic attempt to explain away the contradictions of Labour's Brexit policy on Question Time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOIK3h7SODc
Yes it's the Tories on the panel having a field day, but what are Labour voters supposed to think?

Assuming that Johnson calls a vote of no confidence against his own government after October 19th, the Rebel Alliance will fall apart rather than support a minority Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn - even if he's been bullied into coming out 100% in favour of Remain by that point.

The Lib Dems, Tory Independents and Scots Nats will never in a million years support a socialist in 10 Downing Street - or a socialist Chancellor. John McDonnell wants to give his head a shake for supporting Blairites like Starmer in undermining JC's authority as party leader.

[derwent]

I am struggling to give any of the parties any credibility and I haven't a clue who to vote for. The Tories have never had my vote, so that hasn't a chance of happening for the first time under the present shenanigans.
Labour under Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnel, Thornberry et al don't know what day it is and are simply unelectable and whilst I agree with some of the comments being made about people who prop up the Tories, the same applies to Labour supporters in my opinion.
The Liberal DEMOCRATS ( what a laugh) want another referendum but won't accept anything but a remain result.
I usually vote for Caroline Flint but not now, at least until the Labour Party ditch Momentum and the Marxists.
I was thinking of urging Her Majesty to send them all to the tower but it isn't big enough.
The Irish politicians have lost their devolved assembly because they can't agree on how to run it. The Scots are hell bent on destroying The Union and Parliament as we know it.
What a fucking mess.

[unruly poolie]

Yes it's the Scots who are hell bent on destroying the union, the tories have done more in the last 6 months to do it than the SNP ever have.

[Watching from afar]

Until one of them returns to the middle ground either left or right of centre chaos will remain. It seems none of them have the sense to do it. From what I can see it seems Johnson has lurched further to the extreme than Corbyn.

[Watching from afar]

Yes it's the Scots who are hell bent on destroying the union, the tories have done more in the last 6 months to do it than the SNP ever have.

It seems they all have different unions they belong to or want to destroy. Hypocrisy rules.

[dstanley]

I voted labour for well over 50 years but never again whilst the current leadership hold sway. Corbyn is anti EU but uses the situation for political advantage which I detest. My vote will go to a pro Brexit party and hope that Bojo can survive to eject the Hammonds, Rudds and Soames from the political arena forever. They were elected on a pro Brexit manefesto and voted for article 50 yet worked their socks off for Remain in the guise of no 'no deal'. Politics can do without such charletons.

[unruly poolie]

I voted labour for well over 50 years but never again whilst the current leadership hold sway. Corbyn is anti EU but uses the situation for political advantage which I detest. My vote will go to a pro Brexit party and hope that Bojo can survive to eject the Hammonds, Rudds and Soames from the political arena forever. They were elected on a pro Brexit manefesto and voted for article 50 yet worked their socks off for Remain in the guise of no 'no deal'. Politics can do without such charletons.

How do you think your life will improve outside of the EU?

[The Fat Man]

I voted labour for well over 50 years but never again whilst the current leadership hold sway. Corbyn is anti EU but uses the situation for political advantage which I detest. My vote will go to a pro Brexit party and hope that Bojo can survive to eject the Hammonds, Rudds and Soames from the political arena forever. They were elected on a pro Brexit manefesto and voted for article 50 yet worked their socks off for Remain in the guise of no 'no deal'. Politics can do without such charletons.

Remember the referendum campaign? They all said that getting a deal would be easy, that we had nothing to worry about. Are you seriously telling me, in that context, that anything other than no deal is a betrayal of the referendum? Your logic here makes no sense to me.

There's also the major irony of pointing out that Corbyn has used the situation for political capital (which he has) but not mentioned any of the others who have done the same. The Brexit party now seems to be suggesting that anything other than no deal is a betrayal. Again, this was miles away from what was said at the time of the referendum.

It seems to me that, whatever your political persuasion, many of us will have to go into the polling booth at the next election and make some pretty uncomfortable choices. I don't think too many politicians have come out of this with much credit. But choices will have to be made; just don't kid yourself that your vote is going to a candidate that has more 'integrity' than others. Politics is a messy business of ideals, opportunism, and pragmatism.

[Watching from afar]

I voted labour for well over 50 years but never again whilst the current leadership hold sway. Corbyn is anti EU but uses the situation for political advantage which I detest. My vote will go to a pro Brexit party and hope that Bojo can survive to eject the Hammonds, Rudds and Soames from the political arena forever. They were elected on a pro Brexit manefesto and voted for article 50 yet worked their socks off for Remain in the guise of no 'no deal'. Politics can do without such charletons.

Is that because life will be splendid once the UK is out of the EU? It is afterall the only issue that affects working class northern folk is it not? Hartlepool would have thrived if we had never joined the EU. I look forward to these salad days.

[born toulouse]

I'm never quite sure what the objection is to using political events to your political advantage is.

Isn't that what politicians are expected to do? Johnson used Brexit to further his own plans to seize the Tory leadership and now he's following that up by trying to out Brexiteer the Brexit Party and shore up the Tory core vote. Corbyn is using it to undermine the government even though he'd happily leave with a Customs Union type deal. The Lib Dems are using it to get everyone to forget that they spent years in bed with Cameron and the Tories and were so happy to do so that it would be better described as huge group romp under a giant duvet.

If they weren't indulging in all this skulduggery people would saying they were naive and not fit to lead their parties.

[Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father]

But don't let facts get in the way of things old boy.

Whoops, thought I was reading the comments section of a Guardian Opinion piece just then. As I'm 100% certain you know, patronizing put downs are a speciality there.

Reasoned argument is fine, but implying, insinuating or otherwise inferring that anyone who holds a contrary view to your own is purblind or thick never convinces and is best avoided altogether in pubs.

[Sussex UK]

How do you think your life will improve outside of the EU?[/quote]



Germany is heading for a recession..Is it all that rosy on the other side??

[PJPoolie]

Probably not the best idea from ‘Boris’ and his master strategist Cummings to lie to the Queen.

If he ends up in the Jail it could be just about the best thing to ever happen. The problem is fair things rarely happen in the real World but it would be poetic justice after the absolute disaster that whole leave campaign has caused our country over the last three and a bit years which the odious twat was one of the main protagonists of before shitting himself and sloping into the background when the unthinkable happened.

What an absolute shambles.

[Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father]

It's a shambles alright - Scottish Court saying one thing, the High Court in London the opposite.

It turns out the UK's legal system is as unfit for purpose as its unwritten constitution.

[Mr Irrelevant]

It's entirely a political statement from the Jocks. The original judge made a legal decision, the Scottish High Court a political one. The Supreme court next week will revert to a legal conclusion and it'll be yesterdays chip wrappers.

In the meantime don't let me stop the leavers suck each others dicks over this.

[The Fat Man]

The original judge made a legal decision, the Scottish High Court a political one.

Mind sharing your rationality on this one. Backed up by some reference to constitutional principles. Ta.

[born toulouse]

Regardless of whether the Leavers all suck each others dicks, which doesn't seem likely unless that tramp who used to visit you in Binns' window is a Leaver, this story won't become chip wrappers.

Everybody knows that the EU banned newspaper on chips as a first step towards intimidating plucky Brits with threats of prison if they don't call them french fries. Only a Nige and Boris non-aggression pact can save us now.

[Mr Irrelevant]

Mind sharing your rationality on this one. Backed up by some reference to constitutional principles. Ta.

I shall indeed but after Wednesday when I suspect the Supreme Court might do it for me.

[Mr Irrelevant]

Regardless of whether the Leavers all suck each others dicks, which doesn't seem likely unless that tramp who used to visit you in Binns' window is a Leaver, this story won't become chip wrappers.

Everybody knows that the EU banned newspaper on chips as a first step towards intimidating plucky Brits with threats of prison if they don't call them french fries. Only a Nige and Boris non-aggression pact can save us now.

Thank you for your support.

[born toulouse]

Always happy to support Boris, like a noose supports a hanging man.

[Bluestreak]

Perhaps more evidence has come to light since the earlier judgements and hence the Scottish judges statement.
Lets see what the Supreme Court says next week. If the government loses that they could always go to the European Court.

[Mr Irrelevant]

Always happy to support Boris.

You are a gentleman of fine integrity.

[born toulouse]

You could get a job on The Daily Mail with editing skills like that.

[The Fat Man]

I shall indeed but after Wednesday when I suspect the Supreme Court might do it for me.

In other words, your post was just hyperbole and based on a complete ignorance of the legal issues.

[TalbotAvenger]

Alex is now lying to the Queen

Lying

Lying to the Queen

Of Great Britain and N.Ireland

Lying to our Queen

The Queen of Hearts mother in law

The Queen

Imagine lying to the Queen

Fucking lying to Her Maj

Lying to Brenda

And Phil

But not the mixed raced one, they don’t like her, do they, I can’t think why?

Lying to Andrew the Nonces poor mother

The Queen

If I was a right wing racist, who didn’t like people who weren’t white, apart from ones they pretend to like, or want to shag, or are scared of, I’d be ashamed of Alex, lying to the Queen

[Mr Irrelevant]

In other words, your post was just hyperbole and based on a complete ignorance of the legal issues.

This is the Bunker, I am legally entitled to do that! Besides, all of my posts are hyperbolic. Surely you know that by now good Doctor?

[The Fat Man]

This is the Bunker, I am legally entitled to do that! Besides, all of my posts are hyperbolic. Surely you know that by now good Doctor?

Suppose it could have been worse and you could have described them as ‘enemies of the people’!

[dstanley]

The fundamental reason for the Brexit mess is the British 'first past the post, winner takes all' mentality. Compromise is alien to us all. No amount of logic, facts or reasoning will change the way I and most others will cast our votes at the next election or referendum. End of.

[PJPoolie]

It’s the elite trying to brainwash the gullible.

Certain people stand to make a lot of money from a no deal Brexit. These people couldn’t give a single fuck about the poorest in our country who will suffer most as a consequence.

The front page of today’s Sun features a story about Louis Tomlinson and a crash on Top Gear....

Farage and his contrived Brexit Party has actually got to a point where he is against any sort of deal. Funny that.....

Did anyone three years ago actually feel that strongly about the EU that they were prepared to risk being worse off to get out of it? Saying you are unprepared for us to leave the EU ‘at any cost’ isn’t undemocratic or traitorous or any other of the nonsense I have seen slung it’s just common sense.

Here is one of Johnson’s donors...

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/stat ... 66464?s=21

[RemotePoolie]

Whoops, thought I was reading the comments section of a Guardian Opinion piece just then. As I'm 100% certain you know, patronizing put downs are a speciality there.

Reasoned argument is fine, but implying, insinuating or otherwise inferring that anyone who holds a contrary view to your own is purblind or thick never convinces and is best avoided altogether in pubs.

Isn't that political debate in general? Passive aggression, snide comments and patronizing remarks?

[RemotePoolie]

For all the people saying what the Scottish are doing is wrong. If you had a way of getting independence of this shitshow, wouldn't you take it? I know I would! Nearly everyone admits this situation is a shambles.


I was open to Brexit. But since 2016 I have not seen one single positive. It won't save the NHS, which will be sold to price gouging American oligarchs. It won't kick the immigrants out, last time I checked Pakistan, China and India weren't in Europe, let alone the EU and It sure as shit won't bring jobs back. Some people genuinely believe that Brexit happening will be like a time machine and we'll go back to the good old days! Most Brexit voters probably don't even remember Britain pre EU.

Our own government, not the Guardian, not the Daily Mail, not the Sun is making a Brexit report detailing things like food shortages. Even government reports are now saying Brexit would be a disaster. Oh, we can trust the Americans to give us a nice trade deal? The same people who gave Guatemalan mental patients HIV.

The only freedom we get is freedom from not been a US puppet.

[derwent]

For all the people saying what the Scottish are doing is wrong. If you had a way of getting independence of this shitshow, wouldn't you take it? I know I would! Nearly everyone admits this situation is a shambles.


I was open to Brexit. But since 2016 I have not seen one single positive. It won't save the NHS, which will be sold to price gouging American oligarchs. It won't kick the immigrants out, last time I checked Pakistan, China and India weren't in Europe, let alone the EU and It sure as shit won't bring jobs back. Some people genuinely believe that Brexit happening will be like a time machine and we'll go back to the good old days! Most Brexit voters probably don't even remember Britain pre EU.

Our own government, not the Guardian, not the Daily Mail, not the Sun is making a Brexit report detailing things like food shortages. Even government reports are now saying Brexit would be a disaster. Oh, we can trust the Americans to give us a nice trade deal? The same people who gave Guatemalan mental patients HIV.

The only freedom we get is freedom from not been a US puppet.

I don't think people are saying the Scots are wrong as such. What people are finding difficult with the SNP position is.......they want to stay in Europe and they want independence from the UK.
So if they achieve their aim of destroying brexit and we stay in, which is a distinct possibility, and then they achieve their aim of leaving the UK, that would mean we would still be in Europe and they possibly wouldn't. They would then have to apply for membership of the EU in their own right. I wonder which way we would vote on that one.