Johnson negotiates and recommends a Theresa May type Brexit with minor tweaks. Parliament votes it through fearing no deal. He hails himself as deliver of Brexit and goes for a general election and wins.
Austerity continues.

I cannot for the life of me understand how working people can vote to help keep these mega rich right wing populists in power; odious, obnoxious Tories - everything that is wrong with our country.

So you really think that Jeremy Corbyn, Tony Blair & Gordon Brown are working class people without a pot to piss in??

You had my prediction over a month ago when Johnson was first elected - he wants his opponents to precipitate a general election so he can fight it as the defender of the people's will (to Leave). Everything he's done since then has been blatant electioneering and at the minute he's right on track to force Jeremy Corbyn into a no confidence vote.

We knew you were a bad tory when you told us you wanked to phantom of the opera no need to confirm

No chance in my opinion. Too many remainers in parliament. We'll be discussing brexit in the same way in 2030. Perhaps then people may realise how infeasible it is.

be talking about brexit even after pools get promoted to the championship and playing in a fa cup semi final at another new wembley.

Very little talk on the BBC about all the demos planned?

My political prediction is that if u think voting for a politician will change u life then u living in fantasy world'
They talk more shite than football managers.
Dident our Hangus do OK in the political world.
Still waiting for bananas aren't we.

If we do not leave on 31st October, the Tory party are finished and Johnson knows that only too well. The Brexit party are threatening to split the right wing vote. Being the most pragmatic power seakers in history, you can be assured that the UK will leave on 31st October and a general election will be called in the knowledge that Jeremy Corbyn could never win the keys to number 10. My main fear is that we may have to put up with coallition governments for the next few years.

Even on the BBC website it’s not headline, I think some where along the lines they were ‘instructed’ too keep the media coverage low key ?

Being utterly cynical, the so called demos will be 90% of the usual demonstrate against whatever’s being demonstrated against at this point in time. One week Parliament being closed for four days, next week votes for farm animals all backed up by a much trumpeted one million on line vote, which apparently negates the other million who weren’t bothered enough to give a toss.
The country is a soap opera.

Don't think there will be any demos in Hartlepool as the Apathy Party rules supreme.

The mass tantrum organised by deranged and sour losers??

I think Jeremy Corbyn is from working class background; he represents and advocates all sorts of issues on behalf working class people.
I don't think Tony Blair or Gordon Brown are/were working class; probably categorise them as very middle class, Christian Socialist Democrats?

Corbyn isn’t from a working class background, far from it. Upper middle class and went to a posh school I think.

I wouldn’t class Corbyn as working class. He may have some romantic ideal about the idea, but was brought up comfortably in a nice property in the sticks in Shropshire.
Brown was the son of the manse and Blair would fit seamlessly into any Party you care to choose.

Corbyn had a maths teacher and an electrical engineer for parents both working people, Labour Party members for many years.
Jezza went to an independent prep school and then onto a grammar school followed by a short spell at a London University. He's been a Trade Union official and a councillor before becoming an MP.

Sound quite ordinary to me just a couple who would probably had degrees etc. No Eaton or bullingdon club their chaps.
Jolly good carry on!

Did he drop out of uni if so why haven't we had the express headline "long haired lefty drop out wants to be primeminiater"?

Not true though is it maybe a it could be said in London but thousands on the streets of Leeds, Norwich, Newcastle, Sheffield and Durham.

Best comment I heard about him was on the ferry to Dublin in 2015 when someone said one of his wives said his idea of a good night out was popping down the Labour Party office to print out election leaflets.
He’s nothing special, none of them are.

What an odd second hand comment to report, I often find the people who know nothing about politics and want to seem intellectual like to say both sides are as bad as each other.

Best comment I heard about him was on the ferry to Dublin in 2015 when someone said one of his wives said his idea of a good night out was popping down the Labour Party office to print out election leaflets.
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That's not the Jez i know.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/0 ... o-impress/

Another career politician who has never had a real job and would have no idea about waking up every morning having to go to work too actually earn a living ?

Is that you Mr Horden!?

He was brought up in a big house and went to a posh school he fits no definition of working class in spite of his political principles. I’m not really one to buy the terrorist sympathiser and other claims from the gutter press but the real problem for our country is that he’s clearly unelectable and is clearly never going to be Prime Minister.

It’s fairly unbelievable that it’s still the case after the disaster that this appalling government have presided over that if a general election took place now they would still be expected to win it, Labour have to change direction and have to appeal to the masses again. Corbyn clearly isn’t the man to do that.

Who do you think they should have instead? People keep saying Thornberry but I'm not too sure.

As a Tory I hope they keep Corbynski for many a long year. He shows the loony left in it's full glory and they've been let of out the cage that John Smith and Neil Kinnock put them in back in the eighties. This means that they can never been elected while the halfwits with their Socialist Worker banners are in charge.

If Labour really wanted to win an election they need to put up a face that the general public find acceptable. I think Hillary Benn would make a good leader or David Miliband if they could entice him out of his high paying job and find him a safe seat. The others like Starmer, Long Bailey, Thornberry et al are tainted in the country by association with the dear leader. Even Tom Watson has appeared spineless because he has not come out and publicly opposed Corbyn even though the world and his wife knows he'd happily assassinate him.

Boris is nailed on for the forthcoming election. He'll win and he'll win big. The opposition is fragmented and the Brexit party will stand down in marginals.

I quite like Corbyn and a lot of the criticism aimed at him is utter bollocks. One point that does seem to stand up to scrutiny is that he gives the faithful exactly what they want and disregards the wider public. Johnson is now doing the same, his whole strategy is based on mobilising the Leave camp to campaign and vote for the Tories. It looks impressive compared to May's directionless floundering but it isn't appealing to anybody but the Leave zealots.

If there is an election soon I think it could be close - the size of Labour's membership and their consequent capacity to campaign on the doorsteps and get the vote out shouldn't be underestimated.

Labour have by far the largest membership and it is they who are keeping Corbyn as leader and not the Parliamentary party, who would get rid of him in the twinkling of an eye.
I wonder if the massive increase in the Labour party membership which happened a few years ago are actually Tories who are preventing the party from establishing a credible challenge.
Labour keeping Corbyn is Labour keeping out of power unless the Country actually finishes the job and goes completely mad.
That is the point where the lunatics really have taken over the asylum.

Not trying to convince you about Corbyn Mr Derwent - I know that won't happen. But I do think there are lesson sto be learned from the last election. All the poll suggested that the campaign against Corbyn had worked, May was certainly convinced, but then the real voters behaved differently. Politics is a bit mad just now so a mass membership campaigning about putting right the damage caused by years of Tory austerity might deliver a big Labour vote. I'm also not convinced most people favour crashing out of the EU.

Can't see them getting a majority because of the strength of the SNP but maybe enough seats to lead a coalition?

Oh give over, Corbyn ran a terrible campaign against a Conservative leader who didn’t run a campaign at all. This after years of austerity. He still got beat. Against a formidable campaigner like Boris, Labour will be trounced and Corbyn destroyed.

A bit mad? Stark staring fucking bonkers in closer to it. We've got a government trying to decide the country's future with reference to parliament and a parliament trying to make laws without reference to the government. The opposition parties want an extension to Article 50 but couldn't begin to explain to the EU what kicking the can even further down the road is meant to achieve other than stop 'no deal.'

Most Remain MPs don't want more time to negotiate a deal, they want to revoke Article 50 and stay in, but they can't muster a majority to do that that either. They don't want Johnson in charge, they don't want Jezza to replace him, and they don't really want a General Election either. Bring it on - it's past time for a clear out.

Speaking as someone who would be traditionally a Labour voter, I think BoJo would more than likely win in part because the more moderate Labour supporters are rapidly reaching the point of feeling politically homeless, and there just isn't a clear option in the centre at the moment. Johnson's threat to effectively purge the Tory party of anyone who disagrees with him is pretty scary to be honest - parties in this country have typically been a coalition of differing voices and he's about to stomp on that with a vengeance - but electorally it effectively means he can be sure of no real opposition from the Brexit Party, as it shoots their fox well and truly, in the way that Cameron's putting a Referendum in his Manifesto meant UKIP failed to be a factor in 2015. Meanwhile there's a heck of a lot of disaffected Labour voters who look at the mess that they are currently in (Anti-Semitism row, action by what looks a lot like the old Militant Tendency against anyone more moderate) and thinks "How can I vote for them?" At the same time they remember the Lib Dems propping up the early years of Austerity and don't trust them either, and with the Independant Group currently looking a busted flush, where do they go?

Ironically BoJo is risking making a challenger party in the centre more likely if he ejects a large number of Tory moderates, who might have enough clout to form a viable force and especially if they have someone like Rory Stewart - a Tory that I think I could actually vote for - leading them.

Formidable campaigner? A bullying, lying, racist snob doing a third rate Churchill impression might appeal to the Tory's core support but it is hard to see it working well on a wider basis.

The only evidence of him campaigning successfully is when he stood for Mayor of London and he pretended to be a modern, moderate Tory when he was doing that.

I don't think Corbyn will be a particularly effective campaigner either but actually having a nation wide organisation of enthusiastic activists might prove to be important anyway. Maybe one of the things that people are sick of is US style personality politics?

You missed the bit about him winning every election he has ever stood in apart from a 1997 training run in South Wales as a young wannabe MP which was never serious but done for experience.

A Tory winning Henley and the carefully created Uxbridge and Ruislip seat doesn't mean much so I didn't think it was worth mentioning. Although he did manage to lose half of his majority in 2017, quite a formidable feat in a safe seat.

What about London twice? Filled with Labour councils and immigrant voters who tend to vote left.

Think the public have learnt a lot about Johnson since his time as London mayor.
Lies, political gymnastics, spilling a good bottle of red etc.

That was cuddly buffoon Boris who was pretending to be a Cameron-style modern Tory and everybody's mate. Now that he's posing as the Europe baiting scourge of bum-boys and picaninnies he'll be a bit harder to sell to the wider public.

Do you think he even knows what he really believes in apart from his own entitlement?

Your grasping at straws guys if you think that Corbyn has a chance against Boris and super strategist Cummings.

The other issues that Corbyn has are that he’s got serious problems with the Brexit party in the North and his total unelectability in the South. (north London aside)

I think the art of predicting election result has passed due to the fragmentation of politics and i am not sure there is much in the way of strategy its more make it up as you go.
Snap election?

Hopefully the engagement of the under 25s will see Johnson lose. The kids cost the country brexit so hopefully they wont allow that to happen again.

I would very much welcome younger voters to get involved in politics whatever their voting preferences........ its their futures that are being decided.
The apathy of ordinary people staggers me which allows the likes of Johnson and Mogg into power.

Latest opinion poll - you gov 29th Aug.

Con 34%,
Lab 22%,
Lib Dem 17%
Brexit 13%

So a Boris / Nigel coalition.

Oh they will. Trust me. My generation simply do not care (they use the traditional "they're all as bad as each other" shtick), or at least I've seen absolutely nothing to say otherwise. Maybe ones in there later 20s might, but early 20s probably wouldn't even be able to tell you one thing about Labour or Conservatives. Honestly ashamed of my generation's apathy, I find them to be shallow people in general.

Maybe down south it's different (it certainly is in the US), but I'm very sure it's like that where I live.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/co ... 63011.html 2015 but I'd wager it still holds true.

That 13% wouldn't win farage many if any seats, unless they agree to not stand candidates in certain seats

Which is exactly how it will be played. No Conservative candidate in Hartlepool for instance would guarantee a Brexit win.

It wouldn't guarantee anything the numbers don't add up from the 2017 election and ukip would still stand a candidate

As you know, there was no Brexit party in 2017 but in the Euro election the result in Hartlepool was:

The Brexit Party 9,446
Labour 2,465
Liberal Democrats 1,729
Conservative 910
UKIP 1,586
Green Party 980
Change UK 793

Hartlepool was a massive Brexit voting area and in a GE you cannot discount the above votes. Given the position of Labour in terms of the referendum, it would be a Brexit MP in the town by some margin.