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 Post subject: Danny Rose
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:14 am 
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At 28 he’s sick of the lack of protection for black players that he can’t wait to see the back of football and will pack in in 5 or 6 years. I am not saying there isn’t racism in football but why wait 5 or 6 years to pack in, incidentally I am totally against any form of racism. But for the last few years he has constantly winged about money and wanting more. I think the wait for 5 or 6 years will be very lucrative to him. What does he feel stronger about racism or money and the lifestyle that brings. In my opinion if he felt that strongly about it he would jack it in now. As he says ‘countries only get fined what I’d probably spend on a night out in London, what do you expect?’ How much could you spend on a night out in London?
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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:41 am 
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It's past time that FIFA took a really hard line with racist behaviour - make teams play behind closed doors for 3-4 home games at a time and they'll soon get the message. I don't agree with the idea of taking sides off in the middle of games - that risks the football authorities punishing the victims of abuse, not the perpetrators.

Gareth Southgate had some interesting things to say about Danny Rose in the build up to last year's world cup. He's a player who suffers from depression and has his own demons to struggle with. It seems that there are lots of days when he is completely fed up with the pressures of his life as a professional footballer.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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Whehter you agree or not with Danny Rose I think you should give him credit for speaking his mind. Most footballers follow advice to be bland and just concentrate on building their brand with kids who have some pocket money to spend. He's taken a brave stance on mental health, is always very open about the impact racism has, criticises the people who run the sport, and even told the truth about playing at Wembley all season.

I find it hard to see how all that honest comment can just be dismissed as whingeing unless you argue that he gets well paid so he should shut up and put up with whatever shit gets thrown at him. Might apply to moaning about playing at Wembley or Spurs buying playes that he has to google but surely not to racism, mental health or the FA and FIFA being crap.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:28 am 
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seems a lot of the problems of racial abuse is happening abroad now and very little in this country. there must be a different mind in these countries but danny rose has got to remember that its not too many years ago that his grandparents had to suffer much more than he has had to. no dogs, niggers or irish shown when looking for accomodation. then move on to the cyril regis era with bananans trown on, monkey chants and the black word thrown at players at every opportunity. my own recollection from the early 60,s when i started work on the buses with plenty of black and asians working along side me it was far from racial harmony with a number of white conductresses doing anything to avoid working with these groups.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:30 am 
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Fair play to him for standing up and saying this.

He knows making a statement like this will guarantee a backlash from loads of dinosaur racists, but he's brave enough to do it.

If FIFA did properly punish the FAs of countries financially you can guarantee they would get their shit together.

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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:33 am 
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seems a lot of the problems of racial abuse is happening abroad now and very little in this country. there must be a different mind in these countries but danny rose has got to remember that its not too many years ago that his grandparents had to suffer much more than he has had to. no dogs, niggers or irish shown when looking for accomodation. then move on to the cyril regis era with bananans trown on, monkey chants and the black word thrown at players at every opportunity. my own recollection from the early 60,s when i started work on the buses with plenty of black and asians working along side me it was far from racial harmony with a number of white conductresses doing anything to avoid working with these groups.


Eh? Are you saying he should just suck it up because future generations got more shit than him?

As for the bit about very little racism happening in this country, do you live somewhere that has non-white people in the community?

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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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There has been a lot of progress Mr Accrington but you can't expect a bloke Rose's age to accept abuse just because a couple of generations ago his grandparents probably got worse. By that reasoning anybody who is black with roots in the Caribbean should tolerate pretty much anything on the grounds that it is generally a step up from slavery.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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i do not expect him to accept it just in the same way i do not expect the really poor in this country to accept their lot either just because their grandparents and great grandparents were shafted even worse by governments pre WW2 and before. its just he has and not just him to get to realise how things have changed in this country for the better as far as racism is concerned amd he and no one else who live here can do much about other countries treatment of anyone that they seem as different to them being it race, religeon or sexuality. if a problem can be seen playing in these places then a refusal to play by the whole team should take place plus attitudes of trade with these nations should be looked at. we all no the latter will not happen because it will affect someone,s pockets.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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The authorities go on about kicking racism out of football but then fail when it comes to punishing perpetrators. That is what Danny is saying and I agree with him 100%. He is at his place of work, earning his living. Why should he be subjected to abuse??? There is absolutely no place in football for this sort of behaviour.
Dish out some serious punishments and stop pretending.

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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:
It's past time that FIFA took a really hard line with racist behaviour - make teams play behind closed doors for 3-4 home games at a time and they'll soon get the message. I don't agree with the idea of taking sides off in the middle of games - that risks the football authorities punishing the victims of abuse, not the perpetrators.

Gareth Southgate had some interesting things to say about Danny Rose in the build up to last year's world cup. He's a player who suffers from depression and has his own demons to struggle with. It seems that there are lots of days when he is completely fed up with the pressures of his life as a professional footballer.


I don't think just playing behind closed doors is the answer any more. All that really does is punish the fans that can manage to go to a game and not hurl racist abuse at players. The culprits need to be identified and banned for life but FIFA/UEFA/The FA need to dock points and issue massive fines if racist abuse is heard at a match under their jurisdiction.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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derwent wrote:
The authorities go on about kicking racism out of football but then fail when it comes to punishing perpetrators. That is what Danny is saying and I agree with him 100%. He is at his place of work, earning his living. Why should he be subjected to abuse??? There is absolutely no place in football for this sort of behaviour.
Dish out some serious punishments and stop pretending.

the authorities have had the so called Respect programme then the Kick it out one. think both have been a complete waste of time unless someone is actually punished severely by breaking the rules. its like drink driving where its not as prevelent as it once was. i doubt any campaign has changed things but peoples attitudes in general have. we,ll get mates who,ll turn their backs on you if you abuse a black player or tell em you drove home after 6 pints. just quietly say nowt and report em to a steward quickly as you can and hope they and the authorities do their part.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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Danny rose should just accept it Cos people used to have it worse?

Fuckin hell


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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[quote="Yubep"]Danny rose should just accept it Cos people used to have it worse?

Fuckin hell


does not have to like it but should also remember he could have been born in the cyril regis era then he would really have something greater to go on about. in this country as i have said its nothing like it was in those days. knew i,d get some stick about my comments but i doubt his comments will make it any easier for him on or off the pitch.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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His comments are spot on, why the fuck should any human being have to put up with shite like that in 2019?

It’s little Englander pig ignorance like this that’s part of the reason our country in so much of a state.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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accrington fan wrote:
[quote="Yubep"]Danny rose should just accept it Cos people used to have it worse?

Fuckin hell


does not have to like it but should also remember he could have been born in the cyril regis era then he would really have something greater to go on about. in this country as i have said its nothing like it was in those days. knew i,d get some stick about my comments but i doubt his comments will make it any easier for him on or off the pitch.


He shouldn’t have to put up with it just because Cyril Regis got worse

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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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Bonucci made me laugh, apparently it was 50/50 when a team mate of his was racially abused.

So if I went and twat him could I claim he was half to blame?


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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Bonucci made me laugh, apparently it was 50/50 when a team mate of his was racially abused.

So if I went and twat him could I claim he was half to blame?


Those comments were awful.

Kean was racially abused all game, the ref asked the fans to stop, the players did, a tannoy announcement did...

But it was partially Keanes fault for celebrating infront of them in the 91st minute.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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[quote="phil"]Can we just be clear that this definitely still happens in England too? This is not an Eastern European problem.

where does it happen with crowds outside the premier league nowadays. my football watching is only confined to league 1,2 and conference and i honestly cannot remember hearing anything racial for years. mind you if it happened at the vic or walsall the authorities would be quick to sanction teams and fans at this level.


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It's more common in non league than people think https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.c ... emi-final/


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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Yes racist abuse happens in this country still, but its nothing like the levels that can be found abroad. Pees me off that we can't just give ourselves a little credit that these dinosaur attitudes have died out massively and efforts remain in place to continue to make sure it continues to be on the wan.

I agree that the punishments are just pathetic though. That's why, time other time, year after year, we continue to hear horror stories of racial abuse suffered by players whose sides are visiting certain counties. There is no incentive for them to change anything or do anything about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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[quote="phil"]Can we just be clear that this definitely still happens in England too? This is not an Eastern European problem.

where does it happen with crowds outside the premier league nowadays. my football watching is only confined to league 1,2 and conference and i honestly cannot remember hearing anything racial for years. mind you if it happened at the vic or walsall the authorities would be quick to sanction teams and fans at this level.


You need to stop positing on this subject.




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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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Have heard two or 3 bits this season at Pools games, each time someone has either told them to shut the fuck up or one of there mates has had a word.

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 Post subject: Re: Danny Rose
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phil wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/47840890?__twitter_impression=true

No, we can't sit and feel proud of ourselves because there is less abuse now. Any abuse is too much.

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Yes you can Phil. You just can't sit on your Laurels and stop clamping down on this crap. Why should all the people who have made great efforts over the years to fight racism not be proud of how much they have transformed attitudes to race in football? Why shouldn't we be proud that we have nothing like the problems found elsewhere in the world and are still pressing the case for total eradication in the UK?


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