The Wilkinsons.

Part 2 started well

And is it surrounded by take away shops and real life zombies

Good ideas are all well and good, but the bottom line is there is no money in the town and no one prepared to heavily invest in it, any Hartlepool United supporter should know that only too well. Its a low wage economy , that's for those lucky enough to have a job at all and the people generally have little in the way of spending power.The best periods for the town must have been the early 70s when there was a lot of slum clearance and progressive building such as the Mill House Leisure Centre, Civic Centre , Middleton Grange , Bowls club etc, jesus, even Pools built the Mill House stand. Although this was done whilst the tories were in power, I would imagine the seed was sown under the Labour government of the late 60s.


Even the Marina was pushed through by a Labour MP ( I can't even bring myself to type his name ) which if it werent for that, the town really would be a shithole. Unfortunately the town is again starting to look like it would of done in the late 60s, and is due another dose of significant development. I can't see this ever happening under the tory austertiy that is here to stay, or being at the arsehhole end of the Tees Valley.

I remember hearing a couple of years ago that Hartlepool has the most millionaires per capita in the North East so it clear has some money in it without being able to verify the accuracy of that claim!

I wouldn't of thought so, but obviously there will be some. If it were true you would imagine their wealth would trickle down to those below, bringing some prosperity to the town, I don't see this myself.

Your view seems to be focused on the worst and poorest areas how much of the other side have you seen, West Park for example? Lots of wealthy people live in it, serious wealth as well. It has lots of nice areas. The Town is growing around the perimeter with new, not cheap houses going up all the time.

Hartlepool is representative of countless other similar sized places all over the country, it has potential to be better but the picture painted in a TV show like this is exaggerated. All the roughest areas across the UK, are blighted by similar problems that seem to be getting worse. A lot of traditional ‘Town Centres’ are run down and slowly being deserted again a national trend not just Hartlepool.

I know Hartlepool like the back of my hand. I could paint an equally good picture of it as I could bad. That is the problem though with Britain, new 3-5 bedroom houses are being built , but cheap housing as you call it, isn't . More social housing would do away with the scourge that is the private landlord.I agree there are other towns like Hartlepool but Hartlepool is unique, it had problems even during the good times. The town centres issue again is a result of poor economic policies of past governments. The programme is exaggerated but I would expect that, nevertheless it clearly exposes some serious problems within the town and obviously the policies of the tory government and Universal Credit. What are we going to do about it? The only person who seems to care about these people is Jeremy Corbyn, yet few have a good word to say about him. Or we could just continue to bury our heads in the sand and pretend things aren't as bad as they are.

if thats the case then its only a mirror image of the north of england in general. millionaires v strugglers.

Yes but who needs more police, shelter for the homeless and better amenities when we can have a hotel which will attract absolutely nobody and be desolate within 5 years?

Stockton is a shithole of epic proportions. Even now as they've wasted money on that hotel they still want to do up the Stockton globe. I'd rather my council spend no money than waste it on bollocks no one wants.

my lad lives in rugby and earned 40 grand last year. was thinking of getting a transfer up to hartlepool {he,s a mechanic at stagecoach} till he found he,d be 4 pound a hour worse off for doing the same job. yes house prices are cheaper in hartlepool but as he said everything else is about the same.

Having a lot of millionaires obviously makes things okay then . There are a lot of millionaires in India and America as well, in fact I'm thinking almost everywhere there is poverty and inequality there are also lots of millionaires. Now lets just think of that for a moment , and ask ourselves why that may be?

I agree, but it is on the up though and under the Tees Valley has more chance in future of improving itself. Hartlepool just seems fooked.

Why haven’t you ever painted a good picture of it then? Even once?? Everywhere has problems, even during the good times, it’s called real life.

Who’s bury there heads in the sand it’s time for change for me. The last two years have proven our able political set up is outdated and not fit for purpose and both main parties have failed the British people. You have got as much chance as Corbyn as being next Prime Minister until things do change we are stuck with Tories.

The issue though is the fillum makers only fillum the shit bit with the smack heads and thieves which makes out the whole town is like that to the viewer.

Because on here I never get the chance. I'm all for improvement, that's why I spend a lot of my energy identifying what's wrong then trying to change it. I'm not really motivated by changing what doesn't need to be changed. Hartlepool has some good parts, but I'm not going to tell you what I think they are, just so you can pretend its a Utopia. I think Corbyn and Socialism are the answer to our problems, nationally , locally and those of the world. If Socialism is that crazy, why do those who know how successful it could be , if given a chance, spend billions making sure it doesn't take hold?. I do however accept there isn't enough people feel this way. Even if there was a small chance Corbyn got into power, it wouldn't be by enough of a majority to radically change things for the better. It does look like PR is the only decent option for this country going forward.

Why do most of your posts have to include some sort of childish skit, that is completely made up and unfair?

Who has ever or ever would suggest or pretend Hartlepool is Utopia? I’ll save you time, nobody and errr nobody. It’s lets down an otherwise reasoned balanced post.

Why do you never get the chance by way? Nobody asks you to constantly paint the Town as a dystopian backwater but you find plenty of opportunity to do that.

Give slagging the town of a rest. It’s just getting repetitive now and obsessive to boot. The town, the team all pathetic, don’t even know why you bother unless God sent you down to save us.
If you actually think Stockton is a town on the up, you’re on the Biffo gas.

I'm the only fooker on here who wants to improve the town and its football club for godsake. Its people like you who seem happy with things the way they are that are the problem, not me. IF you want me to stop bothering, and believe me I'm close to it, then it can be arranged. Then you can all be happy and have the bubble to yourselves, pissing up each others backs.

You are totally deluded.

Surely improvement and desire for it involves even a slight suggestion of constructive thought? Those are absent from your posts. It’s easy to point out the obvious and what’s wrong it doesn’t make you the oracle. You have just done again what you did in your previous post and just made something up. Who is ‘happy’ with the football club? Bonkers.

Stop using the quote button.

Yeah yeah ! you keep saying

All the problems in the World are down to the people who don’t constantly point out all the bad bits.

The bastards.

Yes PJ, remember we all agreed in that PM I sent out, we are all supposed to ignore Horden , because his views are different to ours.

More delusion right there including my third person posting. I have just got a line on horden bingo

They are ‘different’ though I’ll give you that

Borderline insulting, but different.

Blame your Hamster mate , he let the cat out of the bag.

You are not the messiah.

I know. But your point is?. I am just a man who has a few ideas that might improve things.

Horden would get my vote for the new Mayor

First job to improve Pools from non league to championship in his 5 year tenure.

I've always liked you KPG. 5 years? you are far too generous

PLEASE!

Thanks for the advice. I assume it is well intentioned. I have no desire to be an MP, or a councillor for that matter, both are thankless tasks and the lack of being able to really enforce change for the good would frustrate me. I am a foot soldier not a leader, besides who would vote for me, given my popularity on this board as an example. As for investing in local projects, I haven't the money but if I had I most definitely would be the first up to the plate. What I do though is pump money into the local economy through my interests , trying to keep it as local as possible, in order to help those local projects run by local people that sometimes create jobs for local people. I have and continue to help people everyday of my life , so I think that is constructive. What do the others on here do? do they help others or just themselves? Maybe you should ask them the same question.

Well I give up my time for the benefit of others to the tune of around 400 hours per annum plus I do volunteer gardening for the elderly on a weekly basis during ten months of the year. At Christmas I help with the Lions float which goes round the neighbouring villages and usually raises around £10k every year. I have been doing that for forty years.
My wife is Division Commissioner for the Girl Guiding movement and runs two Brownie packs helped by my daughter who also runs a Guide pack. My wife in turn helps with that. I help where needed, usually go, fetch and carry and have never claimed a penny in expenses.
They both have full time jobs.
I think we do our bit.
Oh and, up to now, all three of us have voted for Caroline Flint and all three of us are Season Ticket holders at Pools, which is a 200 hundred mile round trip for home games and God knows how many miles to away matches.
Who should I pass the trumpet to???????????????

Good for you, a quintessential Englishman. And then you go and spoil by voting for people who will continue to wage war on other innocent people in foreign lands and condemn some of your fellow Englishmen to a lifetime of poverty and lack of opportunity, nice one Derwent. #misplaced values.

Owway lads, give it a rest eh?

Once Brexit is called off, the Tories are out of power, Trump is impeached and Pools are 30 points clear at the top of the league, we can all argue about which is the best midfield formation or something.

Fair play derwent

Your wish is my command, young John.

Cheers, mate.
It's quite satisfying actually.
I am a past President of the local Lions club and we used to organise and run the St Leger half marathon, which raised a phenomenol amount of money. One year we bought phonic ears for local deaf children and at the presentation of these aids a little girl walked up to me and said "Thank you for making me hear, Mister" I can't remember what i said in reply but it was blubbered. I get a lump in my throat to this day when I tell that tale and that was over thirty years ago.
It really does make it worthwhile.
Sorry to bore anybody but I'm extremely proud of what we've achieved.

So, that’s you plan?
That will change nothing, that’s what we all do.
To make a difference you need political power or money.
You have a big appetite but no teeth.

Snowy up with the larks to start a new day of slagging off Horden, how pathetic.

Its not what we all do. By virtue of my questioning and challenging things on here, proves that. I do, others just cower in the background and say nothing or make snidey remarks like you and your cronies. Get a life Snowy, its quite pathetic listening to grown men supposedly having fun picking on someone. I will be posting on here for a couple of more days, then thats it for me. You have your wish, you and the bullies have won, I'm done with trying to converse with arseholes and idiots.

By the way I have teeth, which if I ever bump into you, is something you won't have.

He only asked you a question and you are threatening to knock his teeth out. You socialists aren’t very good at social media or opposed views it’s a good job Rachel Riley doesn’t post on here

You are embarasssing yourself, you’re no victim. I’d love to see your reaction if you were on the receiving end of some of the stuff you post. We have just had a pathetic insight right there. I could post a long list of insults you have thrown at me on here that you wouldn’t say to my face. Grow up, get over yourself.

There is a serious message here
Be warned.

And I thought the flying pickets had retired. Is that what its come down to Ronnie, threats against a 60 odd year old bloke?

Horden man, I don't know about anything else but if you don't stop your relentless quoting in every damn message you post, your posts are going to start mysteriously disappearing.
If you look carefeully there's a button marked "New Reply". The board would appreciate your sticking to that one.

Say whatever you like, that's your business, but stop the fuck quoting every time. Thank you.

"say whatever he likes" Mr Monty???????????
So it's ok to threaten to knock someone's teeth out, but let's prioritise "quoting"

With respect I think you need to realign your priorites.

I’ve had a lot worse down the years. Broke the nose twice but still got the teeth. Board etiquette ain’t what it used to be.

That’s what keeps me here, the eccentricity of it all.

Quoting this me. OOOOOH.

Can people stop using the quote button please.

Ok