Just seen the Tottenham pelanty, leading up to it Kane was brought down in the box. The ref initially blew for Kane being offside but changed his mind following VAR. The replay clearly showed Kane’s shoulder including the top behind the last defender yet was given onside and resulting pelanty given. The commentators said that the shoulder can’t be offside. I thought any part of the body which you can score with is offside I.e. head body (which for me includes the shoulder) and feet/legs. How many goals have been scored off a shoulder, probably hundreds or more.

Classed as part of the arm ain't it?

I don’t know but I would say that the top of the shoulder, not the front, is part of the body which you can score with

Offside

1.Any part of the player's head, body or feet is in the opponents' half of the field (excluding the half-way line).

2.Any part of the player's head, body or feet is closer to the opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent

Therefore only hands and arms exempt, so shoulder must count as part of the body, which it is when you think about it.

I remember when football was a simple game for simple people.
Now its complicated but the players are still simple.

I don’t know if the VAR panel have different views to the ones we see on tv because the view which was shown and presumably the decision was based on was not squarely across the pitch in line with the play resulting in a parallax error. The offside would have been even more evident if it was in line across the pitch. The thing is if they are using VAR and the accuracy or non accuracy as in this case, then they must also interpret the rules or improve them so there are no grey areas as to what part of the complete body I.e. head to toe and everything in between, you are allowed to score with or what parts can be judged offside or not offside.
In short, if you can score with a shoulder then that shoulder can be judged offside. All video evidence even with the views that were shown indicated that the shoulder, which is part of the body, was offside

VAR is going to be a nightmare. If it was brought in to spot "clear and obvious" mistakes, last nights Spurs incident would never come into that category in a million years

Yep that's where it's failing

true. remember bthe games starting at 3pm and over by 4.45 at the latest. now you,ve got 15 minutes half time, added on time for one reason or another then this VAR. think the 5 o,clock results will be put back to 6 when they think up more nonsence to extend the game.

Aye ! In the 1980s we where usually on to our second game of pool in the boilermakers by 5pm.

The definition of offside is completely arbitrary, the whole point being to prevent goal mooching. Any normal person would define the front foot as the reference point.
It's pretty difficult to goal mooch with your head isn't it. How would you do it? Lie on your back with your head raised ready to be ricocheted off?

Considering the striker is supposed to have the advantage in tight decisions, the fact that Kane was given offside because he had a semi on was a clear and obvious mistake.

He simply should not have been given offside and therefore the decision to award the penalty was bang on.

If the start ruling out goals because of millimetre offside decisions, they can all fook right off

Couple of refs I know say that is a load of shit and doesnt exist apart from in the mind of commentators/pundits.

Who was that for? Sounds like the sort of goal we would concede.

The thing is, the linesman who would have been inline with and up with play raised his flags for offside as he saw it, whereas VAR using the tv cameras and views that we watched were not in line, yet the linesman’s decision was overruled.

That's VAR for you, that's why I don't like it. I like the human touch in football, even if they do make the odd mistake, a lot of decisions in football are interpretation, 2 people will see the same thing and arrive at a different conclusion. Before long there will be no need for officials on the field, they will be up in the stands,and that will be a sad day for the game, its all about making sure the big clubs don't lose. The changes to the offside laws though have made the game more exciting through having more goals than in the recent past.

[quote="horden"]That's VAR for you, that's why I don't like it. I like the human touch in football, even if they do make the odd mistake,
in the end we,ll have nothing to talk about but VAR. its part of all sports where there is as much interest in talking about the game than the actual game itself. you turn up watch then meet up with your mates to discuss the stuff that went on. football will end up like televised rugby league with the video ref called in for allsorts and the game clock being stopped. does anyone want a 90 minute game to ;last over 2 hours on a cold tuesday night. in RL they manage a 80 minute one to last that long.