Speed Tax

born toulouse · **Posted:** Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:29 am

In France you are taught to get as close as possible to the car in front so you can overtake when the opportunity arises. The other thing they teach learners is that the safe option on multi-lane roundabouts is to go right round the outside whichever exit you're aiming for.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37557

PJPoolie wrote:

I concur with that one but that epitomises the level of arrogance and lack of patience that makes your average dangerous driver.

Here they use things such as hard shoulders, pavements and central reservations to do that normally at high speed driving a killing machine like a Land Cruisers always whilst simultaneously being on the phone.

Oddly enough saw one at the top of Park Road yesterday morning coming from Catcote Road . Barrelled around the corner in a shagged out 4x4 (with so much filler on the body if he hit you you'd die of asbestosis) phone in left hand at his right ear? and one hand sort of on the wheel and must of been well into his dotage.

Monkeybutt · **Joined:** Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:22 pm **Posts:** 2428

Snowy wrote:

Oddly enough, the people I utterly despise. is where a lane is closed on a dual carriage way and given plenty of warning to get into lane, tear up the empty lane to squeeze in at the front. The only people coming close to them is the idiots who let them in.

Boils my piss this, the stream of German made cars driven by obnoxious tossers banghead

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

MadJohn wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Oddly enough, the people I utterly despise. is where a lane is closed on a dual carriage way and given plenty of warning to get into lane, tear up the empty lane to squeeze in at the front. The only people coming close to them is the idiots who let them in.

That's just rank bad decision making all round. Logic would suggest that the best way to ensure traffic flow in that situation is for everyone to use both lanes until you reach the lane closure, and then filter in one at a time. Instead you get people stopping in the outside lane and flipping the indicators as soon as they see the first lane closure sign. So the inside lane slows/stops until somebody makes a gap, and then you get chancers taking advantage of the situation by bombing down the outside to jump the queue. If we all just stayed in whichever lane we were in, and kept the two lanes moving at the same pace, there shouldn't be much of a problem.

I think we had this discussion a year or two back. Since then it's increasingly common to get 'merge in turn' signs put out where 2 lanes are narrowing into one. It's common sense of course - but loads of people don't see it that way. There's several discussions online - this one is as entertaining as an article about road user etiquette is ever likely to get:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... d-15094498

50% of Welsh drivers can't be wrong!

yloop · **Posted:** Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:33 am

Snowy wrote:

Oddly enough, the people I utterly despise. is where a lane is closed on a dual carriage way and given plenty of warning to get into lane, tear up the empty lane to squeeze in at the front. The only people coming close to them is the idiots who let them in.

But there's always a sign that says "Merge in turn". Go to the front and go one at a time, it's the fastest way and reduces congestion.

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/driv ... p-merging/

loan_star · **Posted:** Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:43 pm

born toulouse wrote:

The other thing they teach learners is that the safe option on multi-lane roundabouts is to go right round the outside whichever exit you're aiming for.

They do that in Tenerife too. I've annoyed one or two locals by doing a roundabout the proper way :laugh:

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:38 pm

I notice no one from Sark has commented on this thread?

born toulouse · **Posted:** Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:21 pm

They have their own traffic issues to deal with - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-12049105

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:47 pm

Shocking news from Sark

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37557

Bluestreak wrote:

I notice no one from Sark has commented on this thread?

They'd only make sarky comments. bbolt

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:07 am

MadJohn wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Oddly enough, the people I utterly despise. is where a lane is closed on a dual carriage way and given plenty of warning to get into lane, tear up the empty lane to squeeze in at the front. The only people coming close to them is the idiots who let them in.

That's just rank bad decision making all round. Logic would suggest that the best way to ensure traffic flow in that situation is for everyone to use both lanes until you reach the lane closure, and then filter in one at a time. Instead you get people stopping in the outside lane and flipping the indicators as soon as they see the first lane closure sign. So the inside lane slows/stops until somebody makes a gap, and then you get chancers taking advantage of the situation by bombing down the outside to jump the queue. If we all just stayed in whichever lane we were in, and kept the two lanes moving at the same pace, there shouldn't be much of a problem.

Nobody is ever taught this though, all it needs is an instruction video pushed out on social media and everyone will start doing it.

yloop · **Posted:** Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:59 am

poolieinnottingham wrote:

MadJohn wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Oddly enough, the people I utterly despise. is where a lane is closed on a dual carriage way and given plenty of warning to get into lane, tear up the empty lane to squeeze in at the front. The only people coming close to them is the idiots who let them in.

That's just rank bad decision making all round. Logic would suggest that the best way to ensure traffic flow in that situation is for everyone to use both lanes until you reach the lane closure, and then filter in one at a time. Instead you get people stopping in the outside lane and flipping the indicators as soon as they see the first lane closure sign. So the inside lane slows/stops until somebody makes a gap, and then you get chancers taking advantage of the situation by bombing down the outside to jump the queue. If we all just stayed in whichever lane we were in, and kept the two lanes moving at the same pace, there shouldn't be much of a problem.

Nobody is ever taught this though, all it needs is an instruction video pushed out on social media and everyone will start doing it.

I was taught it in my driving lessons, it's also in the highway code and every search you do tells you to use both lanes. The issue is people think they're better drivers than others, think they're taking some sort of moral high ground then sit getting irate when other people do what they're meant to be doing.

Another one is people moving out into the outside lane to let people off slip roads, often without looking. That's the number one cause of accidents on the A19 between Peterlee and Doxford Park. Just stay in your lane and let the joining traffic filter in.

Monkeybutt · **Joined:** Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:22 pm **Posts:** 2428

Can camels speed PJ?, or are there speed humps?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

yloop wrote:

I was taught it in my driving lessons, it's also in the highway code and every search you do tells you to use both lanes. The issue is people think they're better drivers than others, think they're taking some sort of moral high ground then sit getting irate when other people do what they're meant to be doing.

Another one is people moving out into the outside lane to let people off slip roads, often without looking. That's the number one cause of accidents on the A19 between Peterlee and Doxford Park. Just stay in your lane and let the joining traffic filter in.

I think more in driving Tests and learning should be geared towards multiple lane/motorway driving. I think you can do it as an extra after you have passed your Test but more emphasis should be put on it before. At the end of the day is where more serious higher speed accidents will occur if you are driving badly. I can’t remember what you are saying being covered at all when I learnt to drive. At the end of the day a lot of driving is basic common sense, if you having to teach someone to look to see it’s clear before they move over then I suppose you are starting on the wrong foot!

You have to move over here because they will actually pull out straight into you as you can’t really look properly when you have a mobile phone held up to your face and an eight year old kid on your knee.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19819

road conditions, time of day are bigger factors than just speed. passing a school at 8.30 in the morning in rain or passing it on a dry summers night at 9pm are two different things. was stopped passing a school at 10 at night and was told that there was a school down the road. never knew that they altered the school opening times till that night.

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