Sorry didn't Tessie May ring you. I got call last week after meeting at Cheques. Barnier and the corrupt drink sodden Juncker are getting told to fuck off .

She rang PJPOOLIE and blew raspberries down fone

Most who voted leave wouldnt know what a trading block was. The principal reasons for voting leave were immigration and the old industrial towns being laid to waste, with few jobs and the few there were being low paid, shops closing, pubs closing, a feeling of the end was nigh. The EU had become a capitalist club, but I dont agree the EU were telling us what to do, rather us telling them what to do if anything. The UK did well out of the EU, particularly the North East, which has been propped up by EU funding over the last 20 years. It was worrying that the EU was looking to further expand, taking in Ukraine and Turkey. The original EEC was a good concept, neat and compact in terms of countries involved. I always hoped us in the UK would become more European in our thinking as time marched on, but unfortunately it appears , certainly in higher echelons that they became more like us, greedy capitalists, shitting on and exploiting ordinary people , resulting in the vote to leave.

Intelligent input, please tell us more.

I taught you well, Phil

Regardless the vote on the referendum nobody voted for a hard right Tory
Government running the country, but the way it’s panning out and things don’t
Get sorted this will happen then god help us all especially in the north east!

When Turkey is admitted to the EU, you will all be grateful that we got out!

Shall we continue to debate what we should do in the past? It’s done, the leave vote won and all the whinging in the world won’t change that. Job done.

Bob Geldof and his crew from the Thames ? Look this country is full we can't take anymore Freeloaders.

But the vast, vast majority of 'freeloaders' are not immigrants.

I am so convinced we wont leave the EU in any meaningful way i said to a Spaniard i know that i will give him £10 if we leave and he gives me nothing in return if it goes the other way.
He said "no thanks but if its $10 euro its a deal".
I said "why" ?
"What will be worth more then?" he replied.

Financial advise from a Spaniard.. hmmm......

What's being highlighted above all is that politicians (of whatever stripe) are rarely interested in more than the short-term preservation of their own power and influence. For years, the EU was the convenient scapegoat to blame things on - sometimes utterly ridiculous things like the whole "27,000 words in the EU regulations for Cabbages" stuff, which actually goes back to the US around WW2.... Because this then gave those in power someone else to blame, this was rarely challenged, leading to a long-standing perception that the EU takes and doesn't give. This was stoked by media that often have little love for the EU (Murdoch - now an American, Mail - owned by an offshore trust, Telegraph - owned by the Barclay Brothers who live offshore in the Channel Islands) and have discovered that they have little influence outside the UK.

Cameron worries that UKIP are a threat to him electorally, and tries to shoot their fox by offering the Referendum they've been campaigning for - only to discover he's shot himself in the foot. BoJo leads the campaign to Leave, using figures that would never add up - regardless of the lie about the amount, saying that it would all go to the NHS would never happen unless lots of other stuff - such as subsidies for farmers - was dropped, which would be political suicide even in the strongly Tory Shires.

May meanwhile is so desperate to cling onto power that she's spent most of the last 18 months failing to lay out a coherent strategy as one side or other of her party wouldn't wear it; she's trying to steer a course that keeps her in power, regardless of whether this is actually a remotely feasible basis for negotiation with the EU (those who know the EU know that trying to pick and choose in the "Four Freedoms" is highly unlikely for starters, yet that's exactly what the White Paper does....)

Meanwhile, funding for essential services is now reaching a point where some of them are now being run into the ground, because they can be cut without immediate consequences at the price of a huge mess down the line. As an example - my local County Council (Tory-run) is currently taking £2million over the next two years out of its Public Health budget. The immediate consequences of this aren't great, but in the longer term the work of those involved in it (School Nurses, Health Visitors, support services for those most vulnerable) mean that in 10-20 years health outcomes will be even worse than they are now.

The problem is, what's the alternative to our current system? I don't fancy living in a Stalinist Dictatorship with a Command Economy, all we can say is the system we have is less bad than the others, and hope that some way is found of preventing the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg (the Monocled Brexiteer), a man so out of touch with ordinary people that his first parliamentary election saw him driving around council estates in Scotland in a Bentley with his Nanny in tow, having more influence than he already has.....

Thanks Unreliable Salopian, you've nailed the whole sorry mess of ego's and self-serving vanity there. What we now have, in effect, is a civil war without weapons - where the country is split virtually 50/50 into two camps that will never see eye to eye. There's duck all we can do about but batten down the hatches and hope for the best.

A lot of people have gone cool on Brexit as the many issues / consequences are trotted out in front of us by an unlikely alliance of business/unions/politicians/pressure groups etc.
It seems now just like a project of a few to seize power. If Boris etc achieve this and he becomes PM, faced with delivering the impossible dream will they just perform political gymnastics and go for a soft Brexit?
Remember its the other 27 nations who are in control of our Brexit type not us........ unless we go for the nuclear option and then we are all buggered...........Eton style!!!!

When you get off your backside and find a job i'll start taking you seriously PJ.

Only the other day a Greek waiter told me it might affect his tips..

Ohhh Best for Britain fined over a donation, not a lot but still fined. A group bankrolled by the guy who caused a run on the pound years ago George Soros

Never claimed anything in my life in terms of benefits, I’m fortunate enough to have never been in that position. I imagine you are the type of bloke who’s busiest day of the week is the one when you have to sign on then dash back to work.

What I think is y that you need to be as obstinate as Delaney's Donkey to not recognize Brexit as the biggest con in post-war history. We did't win the world cup but we are certainly cast iron favourites for the world self-stabbing championships.
But I guess there's no counter to wilful denial.

Osborne warned of 800000 job losses and an emergency budget. Did it happen or maybe I missed it.

*Cough*Northern Ireland*cough*

Come on Brexiteers your silence is deafening on this matter...

Among the many other things you don't seem to have noticed is that we haven't actually left yet. There's still some rug left under your feet but don't get too attached to it.

You said that as if you believed they give a shit.

I’m not sure where a second referendum would leave World democracy, it can’t happen.

What should happen is those responsible for making it possible and especially those who lied and mass manulpulated the public in the name of self interest should be held accountable. Cameron should serve time for the damage he’s caused.

There's me thinking he said soon after we voted out the job losses would happen+, when allegedly there more in work

I’m not really sure a leave voter should go down the route of ‘things that were said’

Have they still got that bus?

If an impasse is reached in negotiations and the present Government refuse to go along a suicidal no deal option (hopefully as no one would be that stupid? ) then the only option is for a general election be called. Its then up to the parties to decide on their view as to a second referendum and /or be very specific about what type of Brexit they wish to pursue.
This is going to be very interesting to say the least.

[quote="PJPoolie"]I’m not really sure a leave voter should go down the route of ‘things that were said’

Have they still got that bus?[/quote

Yes outrage bus. With Pjpoolie as Butler and Montpoolier as Jack.

Mr Valiant good post but I blame the young uns also as they couldn't be arsed to get off their Xboxes and vote as well as the coffin dodgers.

Now lets see what i am going to stockpile.
Chablis
Brie
Spare engine for my Corsa
Toilet paper-did you see the documentary last night on how its made?
Petrol
etc etc etc

Now what will be plentyful?
Wensleydale cheese
John Smiths
Austin Allegros
Carrots
Rickets
Errr cant think of anything else

It was more of an outright lie bus really.

In another life I might care who Butler and Jack are meant to be.

The General Election scenario is not practical. If nothing else, it assumes that 1) the main parties will support the one view - given that both Labour and Conservatives are deeply divided on Brexit, that's never going to happen; and 2) Even if it does, the electorate will vote according to that single issue. It just won't happen, As an example, the two MPs in my area are both Tories, but about as far apart on Brexit as it's possible to be - Owen Paterson, leading member or the ERG - I think he may even have founded it although the Moggster is now more high profile; and Antoinette Sandbach, who has rebelled on numerous occasions due to being an ardent remainer. How can the party they both represent campaign on that one issue for a General Election and keep both of them on board? And even if they could, why would the incredibly safe Tory seat I live in suddenly vote the other way based solely on Brexit? Labour are almost as badly divided as well, it's just as they're not in power it doesn't show up quite as much.

My point is that i dont think May would go for a no deal option as it would devastate the economy and she would not like her epitaph so the only option she has is to go for a general election. I agree that both parties are divided on this single issue and how the two main parties would present themselves is unknown as the general election will be seen by the population as a single issue election and how it will play out i just cant guess.
Its almost like it will need a government of national unity to take this forward. Its uncharted water. 1939 all over again???

Looks like Imran Khan will be Pakistan's next Prime minister.

Perhaps we need Sir Geoffrey Boycott?

Or Gary Lineker

Lineker would cost too much

Whatever happens May's political epitaph is going to be pretty ropey - at the moment she's got a claim on being the least competent PM in decades.... Like John Major, she got in as a compromise candidate - ie no-one hated her enough - she's then made all sorts of political miscalculations, including of course trashing her own majority in parliament. She comes across as cold, remote, and unable to go off-script at all - hence her refusing to take part in the Party Leaders debates at the GE. The only reason she's survived that IMO is that no-one else in the Tory Party wants the poison chalice that is Brexit on their record - she's the one that will take the fall, as soon as it's happened she'll be given the elbow and a new broom will sweep in. The Tory Party calculus at the moment is all about whether they'll have enough time following Brexit for a new leader to come in and change their fortunes before the projected GE in 2022 - assuming they last that long. I think they all know that May is living on borrowed time - I think even she knows it - and after the disaster for the Tories that was the last GE Campaign (and it was a disaster, May expected to increase her majority against a Labour party that looked in disarray and instead is having to give pressies to Arlene Foster to stay in power) there is no way on earth that they'll let her lead them into another one....

May makes John Major look like Mahatma Gandi

Hold on though, lets get this right. Where white men and the indigenous people don't work, plenty of others do though, servicing the needs of the aforementioned for a pittance.

Lets face it, it will be the same in this country in the near future, with some not having to work due to amassing large amounts of money, and others not being able to find work in a technological world. That is really were the world is going with Capitalism and technology, immigrants and work going to third world countries are all ingredients in the mix, and what was really the backbone of the Brexit revolt. Unless the human race, particularly the rich and greedy start looking at life differently For many It won't end well .