After reading the latest chapter in this whole sorry affair and the claims that Pam Duxbury is passing on through sympathetic fans that she has not taken a wage from the club 6 months I can see some clear confusion here. Also thinly vailed threats that some might 'get a knock on the door' as if this couldn't get more sorry.

One, Pam Duxbury is entitled to take a wage from the club first as financial director and then chairwoman, or should I say chairperson in these gender free days. Nobody is sugesting she has taken part in any wrongdoing. Ken Hodcroft was Pools chairman for nearly 18 years, he was employed by IOR to be the clubs chairman, it was part of his wider job with IOR. He didn't put any of his own money into the club he was an employee. Do people not actual realise that fact? I think the difference is that (maybe until his very final act in who he handed the club over to) he carried out that role with responsibilty, the best interests of the club and competence. Pam Duxbury has been at the club for just over a year and I see very little evidence of any of those things, I see evidence of the opposite. She like Ken is an employee. Nobody would even talk about Pam Duxbury's salarly if she was perceived to be doing even a decent job. I also find the claim that she has not taken a wage for six months very hard to believe, I think she's pushing it if she expects anyone to believe that to be honest given how many times we have been misled and outright lied to in the last year by the club.

Secondly, I don't think anyone taking a step back would put her in the same tier of blame as the likes of Coxall and Goldberg who will hopefully end up in court or even Blackledge who foolishly leant money to Coxall which is why we are now in this almost hopeless and crippling finanicial black hole. But she can be hardly seen as blameless in this whole affair. She was financial director and is now chairperson and we're on the verge of oblivion. We got relegated from the Football League and approached the summer and season exactly how we have done previously and retained a large playing squad. Surely with in the clubs more than precarious financial state that was suicide?

Thirdly if Sage are (which it seems they have been, look at all the players we have sold try and do even some basic sums) asset stripping the club to service debts then that it is not illegal either. It's completely sickening and heartbreaking but nobody is sugesting any wrongdoing, I'm not anyway. From me they have made a mistake by getting involved and the last six months have been about damage limitation and self preservation. Once the money generated by the club in season tickets and parachute payments ran out the exit plan started, December 22nd to be exact.

So it's sad to see them trying to use well meaning fans to portray them in a better light, but I'm sorry I have not got an ounce of sympathy for anyone that has even played a small part in the destruction of Hartlepool United Football Club. I have more anger and disgust for some yes but the bottom line is not one of them have acted in the best interests of our club since they have been involved and some including Duxbury have probably done alright financially whilst doing an absolutey dreadful job.

Anyway it's just about the last I am going to say on the matter because no doubt because this post will be twisted and turned into something it's not and get away from the fact that we all want the same thing, it's all very sad at the end of the day on many different levels but I find it hard to stomach that people can be more sympathic to the views of someone like Duxbury than passionate fans who see a situation differently to them. It certainly doesn't mean we care any less.

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Salary is often a misnomer with company directors. There is a host of ways to take funds out of a company that isn't a salary. Expences, directors loans, dividends, ex gratia payments and many more.

Whats this about a knock at the door?

Post code lottery win.

Summit on the other board I think.

It was comment along the lines of that it wouldn't surprise me if certain people got a knock on the door. I took that to mean that certain fans might have legal action taken against them. Fairly staggering really given the amount of shit we have been fed in the last 12 months. As I say for me its all about self preservation, Duxbury is not in a nice position at the coal face while Blackledge is away from the firing line, her trying to keep people onside makes sense.

At the end of the day this Watson character and Pam are the not the reason the club is about to go bust, but are part of it all. Sorry if I don't feel any sympathy for any of them and just want them out of our club.

Coxberg = crooks
Sage = took over a bad job and tried to get their money back. Destroyed the club in the process with bad decision making.

At least it would give the club a chance to employ another solicitor.

Given that most people who have been critical have just said that she seems to be pretty bad at her job its hard to see what they'd be knocking about. Wouldn't be the first football club owner, director or CEO to try to bully critics with legal threats if she did instruct a solicitor though.

Aspersions about Ms Duxbury's financial probity or competence have been thrown about here and and on the other board from time to time, if memory serves. With passions running so high it's not surprising that some folk have gone off at the deep end.

As Mr I keeps on pointing out, lumping Blackbury (Duxledge?) with Coxberg isn't accurate, but they've certainly played a poor hand very badly. I'd be amazed if anyone was daft enough to get solicitors involved.

It's exactly the type of brilliant PR the club needs right now, refuse to pay bills, local launderette out of pocket, fans pay bills, then threaten to take a fans to court.

Not gunna happen is it.

I thought some of the money raised was to be used to pay local creditors, such as the laundrette.

The laundrette was paid ages ago wsnt it?

The bloke still has the home kit so I doubt it!!

So when they recently handed over the rest of Rachels money to the clubs solicitor - what was this lot spent on?

No BLK just sent them a new kit.

Very classy.

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It gets more and more embarrassing every day.

Just gauging a different opinion and had a look on the other board, don't want to start a war of words but the laundrette bloke is being a prick apparently and suddenly wants paying after 8 years. Don't know how true the 8-year thing is but it's irrelevant, he's owed money simple as that and Pools should pay. The bit about him being a prick is completely out of order.

This is a joke isnt it?

It is but at the same time it’s a bit bizarre not to put in an invoice for 8 years and to keep washing the kit, then to ask for full payment and keep the kit.

I’m sure theirs more to it than that most stories have two sides but it is all very embarrassing.

I'm not sure of the full story, you only really get half truths online or via the papers so who knows, for the company to retain a kit you'd assume somethings went wrong. I certainly wouldn't be calling him names without knowing the full story.

He probably never thought we would go bust so was in no rush for payment etc, now he can see things are about to go tits up, naturally he is asking for payment. (8 years if true is a rather long time like!)

Probably also sees Rachel handing her money over and the club saying its to pay local businesses etc and is rather puzzled by why none is going his way.

Have other local businesses been paid do we know?

I think the conclusion was that it was for the tax bill and the rest to ensure the February games could be held.

Is there any proof that an invoice hasn't been requested in 8 years?

Their isn't, like i said there are 2 sides to every story, some people believe the club, some people wont. Just depends.

Mr Blue has falsely accused me of shit stirring again on the Facebook page again after Roger Waters again copy and pasted my post from here.

If trying to discuss things like an adult is shit stirring then yes I am.

I had Tim Dawson calling me out last week on that page and tried to join to reply to him and it appears I am on not allowed to join that Facebook page. To be honest I’m glad it was rejected.

Mr Blues message board is also a closed shop.

Really pathetic stuff which I definitely no longer wish to be associated with.

Your certainly getting a few peoples backs up lately.

Roger Waters, aka Blue Stripes, aka Gavin Smurthwaite.

He hasn't had an original thought in his life and has nothing better to do that copy and paste peoples posts. It's just very sad really, he needs psychiatric help.

It’s just my turn they are like a cult, pathetic excuses for grown men who should take a good long look at themselves my conscious is clear if you post stuff they don’t like you’re the enemy.

To be fair to Roger Waters, he always picks the better posts to copy and paste.

I don't get the copy and pasting stuff, it's very odd behaviour.

There seem to be just a few that have ridiculous opinions on things but take comfort that the vast majority can see the wood despite the trees. The comments from Certain people about you on facebook are pathetic at best.

Mate of mine just seen these messages on here, sent me a message about this laundrette business...

Apparently the geezer used to wash them for free as a favour to buster, but since buster left he said they'd have to pay. He's only invoiced them from May but the club haven't paid a bean.

It's all got a bit lionel.

It could be right about Pam not taking a wage, who knows for sure? But the fact that as he has been told this he seems to state it to be factual is naive at best. Also it amuses me when he won’t accept anything else as true unless there is proof...

So he washed them for free for about 8 years as a goodwill gesture but the club wont even pay him for the last 8 months or so?

Christ.

Lionel Blair?

If Duxbury and the others havent taken a wage for however long then I would like to ask just where all the money has gone or is going. Also who is responsible for this wilful waste of cash?

Messi

Isnt it also extremely concerning that local business appear to getting paid at the behest of that PoolieMike?

I think it is also worth pointing out that all local businesses are entitled to every penny they are owed. As far as I know Pools are not in administration yet so offering a certain amount is both scandalous and illegal. I am sorry but the livelihoods of all of these businesses and their people are more important than Pools or pam.

I don't get the copy and pasting stuff, it's very odd behaviour.

This is a point i've raised many times directly on here and with one of the guys themselves.

The same people sticking by pam are the same people who stuck by coxall.

pams salary.....all very interesting

Is it more interesting than Pams celery?

Could them not taking any cash be after them receiving advice about preference payments close to a CVA?

Exactly what I've heard, I'm much more inclined to believe that than anything coming from the club and their little meetings with a small number of fans.

Why would it be done as a favour to Buster, he was the physio not kitman

Can anyone shed any light as to why that PoolieMike is involved with paying local creditors and why he is acting like Pools are already in admin and expecting these businesses to take a reduced payment and critisising ones that dont?

He has an email.