I have just had the misfortune of reading this thread from the other board;

http://hufc1908.proboards.com/thread/8656/shameless

Does anyone know what the opening post is all about? I'm guessing it's another baseless attempt to make the Trust look like bad guys.

Some of the stuff in that just makes your heart sink and make you want to smack your head off the wall. The amount of times the outright lie has been peddled that the Trust or anyone for that matter want the club to go out of business is beyond a joke now, it's fucking insulting to be honest that a Pools fan would suggest another Pools fan would actually 'want' that to happen. Just take a step back and think about that.

Some of the stuff is absolute poison, a disgrace.

This lovely message (that isn't even a hlaf truth) from our friend in China;

"Not when people are e-mailing her donors and trying to deflect the money into the Trust accounts.

I dont want people who decry the honesty of the last three owners and then employ tactics like that anywhere near my club.

The same as I don't want people who cry racism and yet have a board full of racist comments.

I want honesty and integrity, and I'm not seeing that. So fuck your Trust quite frankly."

Unbelievable. As I say absolute poison. He needs help regarding he hatred for a message board, I'm being serious.

This from 'Googol' formelly Matty Robsons Chin on here, he still might be a member

"While we’re on this topic I’ll just put it out there. I do not support the Trust, I will not become a member, nor do I trust their intentions. It’s all a bit half arsed from them. They speak an awful lot but don’t seem to be backing up any of their claims...."

I mean what is that all about, he is talking absolute nonsense, he clearly knows nothing about what a supporters trust does. What the fuck is he talking about? Anyone got a clue? Baseless gibberish. What 'claims' have been made?

I have a feeling if the worst did happen (WHICH NOBODY WANTS) sorry for shouting, I think that part needs shouting, I have a feeling that this small band of people would t not only be unsuportive of the club moving forward they would actually be disruptive and try to cause trouble. A few would realise what's required but those who've got it really bad won't be able get over themselves.

The reality is if the club is costing as much as £180,000 a month to run the fans cannot possibly raise that money between now and the end of the season, it's delusional to think that can happen. The only way the club can be saved it's current state is if a buyer is found. Which we are ALL desperate for. Another reality is the situation may have to get worse before it gets better,I think in way we've got to try and let that happen. Someone like Musrave could be waiting for a trigger to come back around the table, Sage might be looking at a point that they are going to dissapear altogether. What Blackledge currently wants (most of his money back) just isn't going to happen. Encouraing people to throw even more good money at bad is just crazy at this point. We have been plunged into a absolute hopeless situation by crooks, no matter how much anyone wants to the fans cannot rescuse the club from this current situation. That is not being negative, or craving a phoenix club *more shouting coming* (IT'S THE LAST THING I WANT) it's facing the reality and gravity of the situation like a grown up.

Yeah let's try and get behind the team but surely no more fundraising to pay bills that Sage should be paying. Remember even if they were duped by Coxall, that is not our fault, they got themselves into this. Getting to the end of the season is by the by really, if we go into administration at that point we'll be kicked out of the National League and National League North anyway. All of that effort and money for what?

I'm not going to appeal for peace, or all fans to unite for the cause (which is what should be happening) because that clearly will never happen it's very sad, but it's so frustrating to read some of the garbage being peddled by people with agendas, how did it even come to this? But I'm sick of reading throwaway comments passing off half truths at the best as gospel to smear people. The siutaion isn't black and white or straight line everyone is effected by emotions because the club mean a lot to us, I am angry at what has happened to our club through no fault of our own but what it is doing to some people is almost worse, anyway rant over SORRY FOR SHOUTING.

I don't think anyone has an agenda. I just think they're thick as f uck.

it’s down to we didn’t think of it first

Nothing more, nothing less.

You're running into a brick wall with that lot PJ it's the same crew that laughed at Darlo going bust and wanted us kicked into orbit forever (which i like to think wasn't the case on here.)

Do some of them speak in a rare dialect on there?

A lot of nonsense on there but I agree even the first post is out of order.

Th trust are doing a hell of a lot of hard work for the long-term future of the club in the background and that comment alone was shocking to say the least.

As for stealing the thunder...I have seen plenty praising Rachel’s efforts in the media and I can’t see anywhere that indicates she has done it to get pats on the back anyway, although I am not sure if that’s the case for others who got involved.

The trust made the decision to delay fundraising till Rachel’s had ended which is now the case. That was more than fair and reasonable. They are now focussing on promoting this through the media whilst still acknowledging what Rachel did.

Now it almost feels like others think they should delay further to allow a week of pats on the backs.

What's Kev's beef? Is it all over his shit chair or what?

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And yes I agree Pj that if the Phoenix club happened some will be trying to influence others not to support it. Fair enough if you make your own choice as I get it won’t be for everyone, but if that’s the case then make your decision and respect others.

Plenty of posters are trying to fight the Trust's corner on that Message board. They usually last a couple of hours. It's a shame as there are some great posters on there who don't get involved in the shit. That Orient based guy has to be the most smug poster in history however.

They are attention seekers stop giving them any and they will go somewhere else, Simple. I never ever go on any other board so I don,t know what they are spouting and I don,t care either. Up the Trust!

isnt this thread equally depressing? this general bunker attitude of we know better than you is one of the reasons people get anti the views coming out of it.
even as a long time bunker member I can see both sides of the argument the just giving seemed from the outside to have done more to save the club in a fortnight (financially)than the trust has done since day one.
if this club is going to get saved it is going to take a lot of people on all sides of the argument to climb down off their high horses or are you more interested in being proved right than saving the club?

Sorry Dawlish but that is just a load of tosh. This message board is NOT the Trust is it and it is the Trust once again that is being attacked.That other message board is just full of bile and hate, and anyone who doesn't follow the anti Trust message gets either abused or banned. I was at that Fundraiser last week, most of the Trust Board were there as they have been at every other Fundraiser I have been to such as the Mickey Barron one. No idea how much Ronnie Harnish has put into the pot himself but I bet it is a hell of a lot more than Shamrock, Mr Blue or Pooliemike. I spoke to him briefly and its clear they are desperately trying to get potential investors interested and into a Consortium.
That money in the Just Giving pot isn't money Rachel has put in herself is it, it is money raised by fans across the Board , a great many of them Trust members. The Trust Board and those supporting them must ask themselves at times why they bother all the abuse and crap they get !

Quick someone have him removed

I think you’ve stumbled upon a couple of the issues there. One this general attitude towards ‘The Bunker’ it’s a message board it doesn’t have an attitude loads of very different people post on it, a lot of people seem to view it like you though.

Secondly on the just giving and them seemingly ‘doing more’ that boils down to understanding what a Trust does and is set up for and also the situation with the money is hardly a straight forward one is it? I don’t know why it can’t be discussed in a more civil and adult manner, that is what I find depressing. I also think the fact we have an anti Trust faction at all incredibly depressing and just plain bizarre. Forget the people who started it and what’s gone before and think on the situation Pools are in then read about a Trusts objective the Supporters Direct website. Then come back and explain to me how we actually have people trying disrupt and put people off ours. Only in Hartlepool. I genuinely think some have taken no time or made no effort to even learn about supporters Trusts and supporters direct and how they have helped other clubs in our situation. Take that staggering and weird post by ‘Googol’ I quoted as an example.

A spot on post by PJ!!!!

12 months ago there was threads on their saying " In Jones and Coxall We Trust " they were sat at the top table laughing and joking with the thieves robbing the club at the Dave Jones talk in as well . They couldn't have been any further up Coxalls backside at a time when he was taking fans money and running off to Dubai with it and the lot of them taking the piss out of Mr I saying " show us the proof ".
They would support a club run by crooks and conmen but not one run by their own fans because of a message board rivalrly. Embarrassing it really is !

The JustGiving bandwagon jumping is equally distasteful. The backslapping is comical at times

But they say they aren't "anti Trust". Certainly could have fooled me.

what is clear to me is that the trust cannot afford to run the club.not with the 50k theyve raised so far.
and any phoenix club would need far more than that to get going.so I understand the half arsed comments from some people.
your obsession with other message boards is clearly part of the problem folks

Do some reading and come back

I think the obsessions with other message boards are strictly one sided and certainly don’t apply to me, I’ve never been a member of the other board but do read it most days as I like to keep across what is being said. I don’t think it really matters where it’s posted to me.

Again you have stumbled upon another misconception that’s getting trotted out. Why would the Trust need loads of cash to start a Pheonix Club? Whatever happens the club going forward needs a business model that will see it become self sufficient and able to run on the money it generates. Clubs with far smaller fanbases than Pools manage this. Would people rather have another JNPG with there hands in the till, or know every penny you put in as a fan goes straight into the running of the club. People are against that!!? Staggering, it really is.

cheers for underlining the I know better than you attitude.
any amount of reading doesnt balance the books

it doesnt bother you so much that you start a thread quoting another message board.

It would appear that in this instance I ‘do’ know better than you. Sorry

In don't get this the trust can't afford to run the club argument. Nobody could afford to run the club the way it is being run at the moment by the people currently in charge. The fact s that Hartlepool United has received more money from the league and season ticket sales than probably any other club in the national league, the fact that the current owners have spent this money on whatever they have spent it on and now have nothing left half way through the season is only testament to the incompetence or greed of the current owners it does not mean that a future custodian of the club would be in he same position in future. And if your going to tell me how much the current and past owners have put into the clubs coffers to keep us going then my reply would be are you seriously telling me somebody is pumping a small fortune into clubs like, Macclesfield, Wrexham, Aldershot,Tranmere, Sutton and Flyde I find that argument difficult to believe and these clubs mostly have a smaller attendance than Pools and all are in promotion or play off positions in the league.

I bow to your higher intelligence.
I hope you are never wrong.

The trust can not just give money to the club. It doesn’t work like that.


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yep I understand that and I wouldnt want them to even if they could.

I’m not sure what that’s adding to the discussion. Why can’t we talk about what’s being posted on another forum? You accused me of obsession, I can assure so I am not obsessed with the other message board that’s to not say I’m not interested though.

In don't get this the trust can't afford to run the club argument.
you seem to be having an argument with yourself there mate. in fyldes case the answer is yes.for every fleetwood their is a stockport,for every salford their is a york or darlington or stockport.
Im not for a minute defending how the club is or has been run.but we are where we are.
my point was how is slagging each other off on message boards helped the situati

In don't get this the trust can't afford to run the club argument.
you seem to be having an argument with yourself there mate. in fyldes case the answer is yes.for every fleetwood their is a stockport,for every salford their is a york or darlington or stockport.
Im not for a minute defending how the club is or has been run.but we are where we are.
my point was how is slagging each other off on message boards helped the situati

I’m quite often wrong. Not in this instance though.

I think you might be confusing my posts for being anti trust,quite the reverse.
but listen if you are never wrong hardly ever any point in a debate

Going to agree with Mr. Dawlishmonkey here. Not that most of what PJ and others have said about a handful of posters on the other board isn't true - and you could throw in the really absurd suggestion that everyone who hasn't already joined the Trust is anti-Trust by definition.

That said, we should really just leave them to it. They tie themselves in knots over their attitude to the Trust every day; as far as I can see only a couple of them are dead set against the idea. Many more of their regulars dislike the Bunker though, some with good reason. For example, Chip was a reformed character latterly on here but before that the way he ripped into some posters in the old days was nothing short of bullying.

More to the point, most absolutely hate the idea of liquidation and starting a phoenix club several tiers below where we are now. If and when that day dawns, they are going to have to think differently. Till then, let's not add any more fuel to the 'divided fans' perception.

agree with this completely but that is the opposite of what starting this thread is....

Whether I start this thread or not that one is in the public domain, and it’s full of absolute nonsense. Do you just sit back and let people believe it or redress the balance a bit? This sort of stuff is damaging and untrue.

I read the Trust statement the other day. They said they are working with people who want to set up a consortium because none of those groups or individuals could afford to run it on their own. That sounds sense to me and it is probably the only way the club can be saved. They are also convinced their would be enough support in the town to run a Phoenix Club in The Northern League and I'm sure even with only 1500 fans that would be easily self sufficient. How much money they have at this moment in time isn't important, it is how much they could raise if they really had to because I am sure that if they said we are in a consortium and we need £200,000 for our share to buy the club and run it to the end of the season they would get it.

I said ‘quite often wrong’ not ‘ never hardly wrong’

It’s that inability to see facts that may be the bigger issue

The thing is that other board hardly gets mentioned on here....when it does it's when people on here get sick of the slagging off the Bunker AND the Trust gets on there!!!!
The latest slagging of The Trust on there comes only days after people on there had a turnaround and started supporting the Trust which lasted a matter of days....as is the norm on there!!!!
The olive trees must be bare by now with all the branches they've offered over the years but only to be snatched back sometimes within hours!!!!
That's why now basically that board is hardly mentioned on here....apart from like I said when people get pig sick of the slagging and lies from there!!!!

This might be my fault. I saw that original post which has sparked this current conversation. I was frustrated and was going to respond and go on the offensive but I didn't because it achieves nothing and sustains dusunity. To be fair, the thread didn't grow after the first flurry of postings, which I really do think is because there is a genuine desire on both boards to stop the fighting and the arguing for the good of the club. Anyway, I decided to put forward positives about the trust and it drew out a few people who were ant-trust. I get the feeling that they are a real minority and are not worth writing a thread about. Sorry.

A couple of years ago there was a bit of rivalry with ITB and the bunker. So we had a game of footy. Worked out well. Good bit of crack.




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Some would rather be a big fish in a small pond where they can dominate, rather than be part of a large pond and contribute equally in a democracy whete they can be heard.

The pol pot agree or gtf isnt what the trust is about. But they keep commenting daily about they won't join, not bothered, who cares, being part of something is not everybody's bag.

I haven't read all that thread or this one to be honest but what staggers me is that people think that the Trust can be anything other than a good thing.

And that fella who posts anti-Trust comments and then when challenged (which is what a forum is all about) replies with 'fuck you pal' says all you need to know.

Think about it, would you want to run the Trust? Do you have loads of free time and do you want to increase your stress levels and oh yes, you won't get paid but you will get dogs abuse from the very people you're doing all this for.

Thick as fuck.

I sometimes reply on trust related posts but I don’t bother now so much. You’ll never change the views of people who don’t like the idea - that’s up to them, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Doesn’t mean they are right or wrong. I did agree with most of what you posted though.


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I think whoever these people are who are so against it are just gutted they never thought of the idea and don’t like seeing it has 1000+ members and they haven’t got a major say in it.

The ironing is anyone can have a major say in it.

Join the trust, get voted into the board, get your ideas across.




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I tried to counter some of the rumours, twisting and utter bullshit about the Trust on the Facebook supporters page.

The handful of naysayers are unlikely to change their mind about joining etc, but they are influential to the average Poolie who doesn't go on messageboards but might read stuff in that group.

Hopefully the message will have got through to some onlookers, but I found myself spending loads of time having the same circular arguments with a couple of people who pretended not to know what I'd explained the day before. And the day before that.

I really do think the Trust could do with tweaking the way it gets the message across other than the statements. Whilst these are excellent, they are quite long and sometimes quite wordy. Even though they've had to be because of the complex situations they seek to explain.

In today's world of short snappy social media posts, I'm not sure how many would read and digest the whole statement. Possibly break stuff down into easily digestible chunks?

Also have a page on the website which dispels any myths eg through FAQs:
What is the trust?
Who is on the trust?
Why was it set up?
Who can join?
Do the trust want to take over the club?
What does administration mean for Pools?
What does liquidation mean for Pools?

Etc etc. This page could linked to in a reply post to every bullshit one. That way the onlookers can link through and get it straight from the horses mouth.

Eventually I think all fans via a small number will realise that the trust is a force for good, and hopefully join up and donate.

All on the trust website.

Can you provide a link please?

Trust Vs Friends let's do it. Do the friends group have enough for 5 a side?