Tees are reporting that Pools are undergoing police investigations into financial irregularities!

Probs why Watson has fled

I doubt anything will come of it.

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... es-report/

Investigation at Pools request.

That had been suggested quite a while back if I remember right. That,s why they said they couldn't say anything.

Coxall and Goldberg,

Trust been hinting at this for a month or so but obviously couldn’t say it in black and white.

"nobody currently involved at Hartlepool United is the subject of any investigation." Could be a coincidence, but it was reported last night that Watson is no longer at the club also.

No I can’t see that, I reckon this has been ongoing since the summer it was alluded to after the Trust meetings with Duxbury before the season even started. Lets hope they can build a case for the CPS and they are made accountable. I would take great pleasure in seeing that pair smarmy little twats sent down.

Pretty sure Watson will be investigated eventually, just got to wait his turn. As for Coxall hope somebody makes him their bitch once he gets sent down.

Is this likely to get us a reprieve from the national league should we go into admin?

What I mean is if there is evidence of financial irregularities would we still suffer the same fate or would there be some level of leeway in terms of points deductions and also possible expulsion?


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My guess that nothing illegal has happened in the last 8 months. Plenty that’s immoral and miles away from being in the best interests of the club and all geared towards making the best of a bad situation for Sage Investments.

The stuff surrounding Watson brings up questions about conflict of interest which could put his future as an agent in doubt and he’s clearly been a disaster and blight on our football club but again I’m not sure any of that is illegal. This is all Coxall and Goldberg who lets not forget are the bastards who put the club in this position in the first place.

Two points:

Police have been looking into this since at least last August but weren't too enthusiastic.

Its true there is no winding up order, there is a winding up petition with a court date next month.

Now the books are, we are told, completed. Perhaps this was part of the reason for a delay but the club couldn’t confirm it.

I don’t think this is new or linked to recent events.

I haven't seen any definition of what 'the books are available' means. This seems to be an assumption that has grown. Within the sale offer pack there was a consolidated balance sheet and profit & loss but no detail. They could just as easily have shown Jo Grylls and Ron Harnish these. Not having any financial training they wouldn't know what they were looking at.

It’s just been on Look North as the lead story.

At this stage it’s a bit of non story really isn’t it? Cleveland Police have confirmed they are investigating a complaint but at this stage it’s an allegation and inquiries are at an early stage. It’s good to hear it confirmed that this is happening but other than that there’s nothing to see really.

Good job I can then.

You can't read what isn't there.

Yep the shredders will have done their job, Watson will have made sure of that before he departed.
Sage possiblyrealise they have little or no chance of getting any monies back and are seeking revenge on Coxhall and Goldberg by calling the Police in.

Calling the police in on themselves W.T.F! Smoke screen comes to mind. I wonder If they can be prosecuted for wasting police time?

The whole situation stinks of lies, lies and more lies. I wish we could jump forward in time 3 months just to see the outcome if there is one.

Remember these names:


Hasmukhray Patel
John Foxx aka John Fraser
Peter Goldberg aka Peter Arber
Gary Coxall
Steve Murrall
Peter Harris
Graham Bean

Think you're being a bit cynical there Hartleblue. I regularly find myself wondering if I've done anything criminal and ask the police to investigate me to see if I've been up to any shenanigans. I never have any memory of acting act illegally and there isn't any evidence of laws being broken in our house but I like to be sure so I get the bobbies in every spring.

You should try it. Just ring 999 and say, "Hello officer, I don't think I've done anything wrong but could you pop round and double check for me." They'll be happy to help.

Are you saying an early line up of Ultravox were involved?

It's a daft name for Mr Fraser to assume isn't it. Anyone around 50-55ish will know exactly who John Foxx was and those younger will wonder what the hell we're babbling about.

Is this the right Hasmukhray Patel getting a nice mention in the Law Society Gazette as long ago as 2002. Around the same time as Arber became Goldberg?

"Hasmukhray Dahyabhai Patel

Following a ruling by the Office for the Supervision of Solicitors adjudicator, Hasmukhray Dahyabhai Patel of Sinclair & Co, chartered accountants of Birmingham, has been disqualified from giving accountant's reports to solicitors."

I might give that a try, but then again with my luck!

Mr I. have you ever considered becoming a P.I.?

I don't agree, Sage/Backledge have dropped a bollock lending money to Coxall, they have been deceived at the outset and if any crimes have been commited in Coxall getting the club into a postion were it desperately had to loan cash from high interest 'pay day loan' comanies like Access finance then this other loan off Sage then people need to be mae accountable able.

This has two sides to me, Coxall and Goldberg who are out and out crooks who were here to take us much out of the club for as long as they could get away with it and on the other hand Sage who have been stupid to get involved with chancers like this and had not done their homework or proper due diligence before handing over cash. What has resulted them by the week realising the absolute mess and the amount of layers the financial mess has. They need to get out, and get out with as much of the money they gave to a conman back as possible and the club is being asset stripped to claw back as much as they can before they exit. In the meantime if a buyer comes in, great for them as they'll end up losing less than they might if we go pop but either way it's just been a damage limitation exercise for them. So they might have been conned to extent but for me their behaviour is dsihonest and immoral if not illegal, like some of the behaviour before possibly.

At the end of the day though whether any crimes have been committed or not nobody for a long time has been acting in the best interests of the Football Club or the fans and it's both those things that will suffer while this mixture of odious, incompentent, undeserving leeches will disapear into the sunset leaving us to pick up the peaces. It's a great example of life not being fair, Hartlepool United and it's fans does not deserve this.

That's just my overview of the situaion I could be wide of the mark, one thing I know for certain is I want all of these people out of our club never to be seen again, whatever it takes.

I'd love to agree with you PJ but my sticking point is whether Sage could really have been that daft.

I suppose the combination of the Mill House Master Plan and the chance to get some money they'd loaned to Coxall back might have made them take a punt on ownership but what about the other stuff? Duxbury knew Watson from their shared time at Full Ninety Sports Management. She must have known what he was like but brought him on a handsome salary. Dave Jones arrival and some of the signings that preceded and followed it suggest that Duxbury was already running the club before Coxall went. There are so many examples of borderline dodginess coming to light that I'd be surprised if everything that has gone on under Duxbury has been legal.

To cut a long story short.
Pools have been run by burglars for the last 7/8 years but one paid the bills on time like a normally run buisness.( every season a relegation battle ).

Time to start again with a Consortium / Trust owned club or this shite will carry on for anutha 7 years.

I really don't get people criticising IOR/Ken. Overall we did very well out of them, they no doubt benefited from us to an extent but I think we were the winners there. Ok we know who they sold the club to but there was no money left and limited interest, what would anyone else have done? Sage were duped by Coxall, what's to say IOR weren't?

IOR sold to a company, actually twice, who were clearly foundationless and potless. Myself, Dibble and others worked this out within minutes. Both Dibble and I have access to Experian at work so a few checks told us that they were potless. Worse, TMH were all over the internet being accused of the stuff that they eventually went down the steps for. We found this out with ten minutes on Google.

IOR could have done likewise and Hodcroft's current pontificating is sickening.

Were IOR obliged to do so? It's like you selling a car and me blaming you because the person who buys it off you drives recklessly. IOR made no secret they wanted rid and couldn't/didn't want to fund the club anymore but the only two interested parties, over the space of several years, were both crooks.

Anyway, it's irrelevant now I suppose. There are more important things to worry about and discuss.

Fair enough so now they only stand accused of publically lying about how the future was bright with JPNG

Uncle KKKen Knew exactly what he was doing.

It was pay back time for those bad mouthing him.
Its not personal its business.

I would not put it past him to try and buy back in, At the right price.

The former FA Compliance Officer, who then went freelance and started buying up Northwich Victoria-related Web Addresses?

investigations are one thing proving em for a criminal charge is another. certainly it could be a case of that wrong doings have occured but not enough evidence is left available.

It is really hard to move money about without leaving a trail nowadays, you can do a lot to muddy that trail though. Question is whether the police see enough evidence to justify to using experts to really dig into it.

In the industry I'm in they're obsessed with compliance because using agents who knew how to 'get close' to customers used to be the norm. Now you're responsible for knowing what any agent representing you did with any funds you gave them. Any large cash dealings are used as proof of guilt and the computer records have to stack up. It takes a very long time and a lot of effort to catch anybody dodgy but the authorities do manage it even though the perpetrators are way ahead of the likes of Coxall and Goldberg. More money involved as well though so the authorities have a much bigger incentive.

It would be easy for Coxberg to claim they moved the money to support operations in Dubai. It was part of the same group of companies at the time so nothing illegal in that.

Was Goldberg involved in Dubai or was that just Coxhall?

JPNG Global. Directors at the time were both Coxall and Goldberg.

Prior to all of this i understand that IOR had a debt owed to them of £12-£13 million that they wrote off.
How did this arise, was it money given to the club or just a management charge from the parent company or a combination of both?
Please correct me if i am wrong on the £12million but it is what i heard.

A very good question Bluestreak which I've often pondered about! Does any knowledgeable bunkerite know the factual answer?

Fake company, established through an accomplice/contact to give credence to HUFC takeover. The so-called millionairess whose name I forget had no history, or evidence of actual existence.

Of course. Along with Goldberg/Arber's/Singh's other million shell companies.

Someone else can correct me if I'm mis-remembering, but when Hodcroft was interviewed a couple of weeks ago he said that when IOR (Larsen) were properly bankrolling the club they were putting around £1 million a year in, but when the money dried up towards the end they got the annual net loss down to around £300,000.

From what you read about other lower league clubs' financial difficulties that sounds plausible enough, but then again people stopped believing anything Chairman Hod said when IOR got out of the habit of making the club's annual accounts public.

Could be wrong here PJ but I though I had read a real good message from you a while back asking how the club could be in such a mess after (new start) only 5 months My concern is exactly yours.....How could so much revenue from season tickets / sales / players / Advertising and promotional stuff simply disappear in ONLY 5 months . Then be left with a 48,000 tax bill and running costs of 200,000 for January I am no expert but something more than blaming just ex directors ( some crooks) needs investigating by the fraud squad. I really am a little more concerned with here and now...