from club insider that has had access to some financial info.....

Today's HUFC statement just another Duxbury / Blackledge smokescreen.
Let's hope when these books are produced Duxbury Park DIY registered to her husbands name can justify the numerous invoices they have been paid? At the moment no books produced, they have got a basic spreadsheet with what they want people to see, not proper accounts with detail.
Last months HUFC wages included 8k paid to Duxbury and Watson banked 5k plus consultancy fees.
Duxbury has been in control of the club finances since December 2016, maybe she getting the police to investigate her actions!?
Coxall is not blameless in building up this financial fiasco with debt, bringing in his mates and taking out stupid loans but Duxbury is the one person who has overseen the finances for the past 14 months.
She has got a few people on social media dancing to her lying tune which is weird as anyone who thinks she not involved in dodgy dealings and helping to create this potential 3 million pound debt should get the strongest coffee possible, large mug and sniff it as the very large mug with a big fancy house in Euxton is continuing to tell fibs and is the very reason every so called investor walks away from the table.
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Sorry but I just don’t believe it. What “insider” would even have had access to the books? And if they did why not say something earlier.

Where is Euxton?

I wouldn't mind evidence from an actual source prepared to reveal who they are and how they know these things.

Euxton is part of Chorley

This will go down well with the Facebook elite. See Mr Dawson couldn’t wait to repost it!

I don’t read it Geoff but do they all support Pam on there Geoff?

Err No

Ahh, I thought you were being sarcastic with your first line

I thought that, maybe it's a perspective thing!
I was aware of her husband's DIY shop which is next door to Mario barbers brother's shop. Very interesting that she's employed her spouse and overlooked local merchants/handymen. That in itself isn't an offence but would certainly arouse interest of those she doesn't want sniffing around. I suspect she's very nervous now and not just because of HMRC. Based on rumour and assumptions obviously!

So who else in the club would have access to the renumerations Pam and Watson are alleged to have received, especially as they only ave access to “some financial information”

and on the other side of Luigi's pizzas is Leyland House Clearance, which will come in handy when they have to sell all the fixtures and fittings ...

Is that Coxall in the window above Luigi's?

Is that seriously her husband's shop?

I can't distinguish between fact and fiction any more, it wouldn't surprise me if that young lad in the grey tracky was actually Jack Blackford, who hasn't actually gone to America but is now their slave.

I want to know more about the wild bird food.

Anyroad, can I the first to suggest that the red tarp sign could do with being hung a bit tauter?

Can that bloke not read signs, it's a one way street !!!!

The paintwork could do with freshening up.

Dulux paint at £9.99 is not bad at all.

It's his hew international Headquarters of Allcox & Bull Finance.

And the award for 'Excessive Use of a Gentleman's Name in a Short Sentence' goes to...

Ps Geoff


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I notice the Duxbury family shop also has a sale, wonder if they sell kits there as well


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Not a bad meal at that Luigi's.

For £10 You get

1 skewer of chicken
Donner meat
5 chicken nuggets
5 Onion rings
3 southern fried chicken goujons
1 Quarter pounder beef burger

Served on a naan bread in a pizza box.

Has Bishops dad all over that.

Looks like they must be mafting in the flat above Luigis with those windows blaring open.

Cheers Bresslaw

Looks like 'Open All Hours' to me.

I would imagine having Pam as his wife he will know a lot about DIY

Some nice incinerator bins out the front. Ideal for burning 'garden waste' such as financial records.

Seriously though, thanks for passing that on Bresslaw. The problem is that all it tells us is that Duxbury and Watson got well paid for doing their jobs very badly and that she bought stuff from her husband's shop. You'd expect him to do you a decent deal so that's hardly a crime.

I'm convinced that there has been criminal activity at the club over recent years but proving that people have deliberately bled the club dry, and have used illegal methods to do it, is extremely difficult without full access to records and expert help. A business can end up deep in debt and facing winding up orders because the people running it aren't very good at running it.

If we could assemble a body of proof against at least some of those responsible I think journalists like David Conn would run stories and the police would feel obliged to out some resources into a proper investigation. Unfortunately, I can't see anyone getting that sort of evidence until the administrator has the books. In fact, it makes me think that the owners might prefer liquidation to administration. There would be far less scrutiny of the books if the company was dead and nobody needed to look carefully at what they might be getting into.

For what its worth, here's my take. It might not sit well with some but hey ho.

Lets skip past Coxberg for a second. Its a given that they were thieves who took the club for anything they could get and I believe that they'll be in the dock before this year is out. There is certainly enough evidence.

Sage got involved for perfectly reasonable reasons, that being that they were taken in by a meeting with Coxberg and the council over the Mill House masterplan and they saw an opportunity to make a few quid on the development. Clearly without doing their homework they took over the Access Finance loans because they needed Pools to continue to make the development happen. In this initial period Coxberg was ripping off anything and everything he could. His expenses were astronomical and he lived the high life on our dollar. He also moved money out of the club at an alarming rate. This period included the end of Russ Green who to be fair, spotted that they were dodgy before anyone else and to his credit refused point blank to second signature a 200k transfer from the HUFC bank account to JPNG's. There was a lot of money going into the club at this point and Coxberg was stealing it all.

Fast forward a couple of months and the club was again unable to pay tax bills and wages. In an effort to chase bad money they put in good money. This money disappeared as soon as it hit the HUFC account. It was spirited away overnight to Dubai and moved again. At this point Pam Duxbury was installed as Finance Director with a brief to protect Sage's investment - circa half a million at this point. She tried to keep the club on an even keel but a mixture of bad advise, naivety, poor decision making and straightforward theft by Coxall prevented that. Coxall was then forced to leave and Sage now owned the club. He left but not before signing of a batch of invoices at around 50k each for 'consultancy' and 'introductory' fees. All of the above is what the Police are investigating.

Now we're in a position that Sage started gambling on success. Pools needed to stay up last season to keep the cashflow on track but as we know that didn't happen. Sage then gambled - again on bad advice, to roll the dice on bouncing back. A full compliment of staff, players and a league level backroom. A lot of these recruited by Paul Watson whose connections with Full Ninety Sports Management is yet to unravel. Certainly substantial agency fees went in that direction.

Since them HUFC has bumbled from one crisis to another gambling on a cup run and player sales. None of these happened so suddenly the books didn't balance and we end up here.

I believe that Sage have been recouping as much of their investment as they could over recent months but its too big. They now want new owners to pay off their debt of at least part of it. Remember that this money is not just donated, its in the form of loans to the company.

Ultimately, the crooks in this are Coxberg and their cohorts. Sage and Pam Duxbury have been complicit in their naivety and poor decision making but I do not believe that they fall into the same category as the former to any extent at all. Yes they have been trying to get their money back but I guess it was their money to start with which wasn't the case with Coxall and Goldberg.

All of that said, the funds that have gone into the club in the last year has been astronomical on paper. Transfer fees and Tv money etc. What we don't know is the cashflow implications of this money. Transfers for example are rarely paid in on lump these days. This sort of thing is why the accounts need to be forensically examined but on the evidence I've seen, the people with the stripy shirts and a sack marked swag are Peter Goldberg and his mates as listed above. Duxbury and Blakledge are also victims of Coxberg and now they just want their own money back. We can argue about decision making and competence but I don't believe that Sage started off with anything other than decent intentions.

Nice summary. It would be a great day to see Coxall and Goldberg jailed for their activities.

Excellent summary Mr I that explains why we are where we are. It sounds to me that a lot of this will be outside the competence of the local coppers and they will need to bring in the fraud squad (or whatever term is used these days). The town's MP should be lobbying for this to happen and a full investigation to be undertaken asap. One thing that surprises me is that, having taken all of the money out of the club, Coxhall went bankrupt so quickly. If the money is all in his partner's name then is it recoverable by the courts? I do hope there is a strong link back to Goldberg and he can be nailed as well as I see him as the brains behind the asset stripping with Coxhall more the stooge.

Whilst it was Sage's money to invest it was also their decision to. They may not be in the same bracket as their predecessors but they hold their own when it comes to bullshitting and hiding facts. The question is just whether that's to hide their own incompetence or something more sinister.
Would the police investigations have prevented them from disclosing the accounts in full? If not then I don't see any reason why Pam should be trusted.

I'm not saying trust them, their prime motivation now is to recoup their investment nothing else but you can't compare someone who accidentally left the window open to the burglar who climbed through it.

I don't disagree with that, I just don't believe leaving the window is the worst thing that person has done however I don't have proof of that.

He was bankrupted shortly BEFORE taking over at Pools too, wasn't he?? Making it even more "spectacular"....or have I got that wrong?

Yes, he gave an interview where he talked about it while he was chairman

The only really informative posts about what's been going on behind the scenes at Pools always seem to come from the same source.

Most of the rest is people thinking the worst about an already shitty situation. It's understandable I suppose, but doesn't add any light, and some of the personal abuse directed at Duxbury is embarrassing.

Excellent summary from Mr I in my opinion.
We were being told by the club (Pam) months ago that they were having trouble getting to the bottom of things and sorting out the mess that had been left. They also stated that they could not say much because of the likelihood of criminal charges being brought.
Yes, they have made mistakes and certainly got their fingers burned but I really believe that the vast majority of this mess lies with Coxberg - and probably with Watson as well.
For this reason SOME of the criticism of Duxbury and Blackledge has been well over the top, although in the circumstances, probably understandable.

From a message that I have seen from full 90, they are getting a little touchy around allegations around their dealings with the club

I really, really, really, really hope Coxberg get what they truly, truly,truly,truly desreve....and fucking MORE!!!!!!!!!!

To be honest as a Pools fan I’m fairly touchy about the trail of destruction this odious twat Watson has left behind at Pools, as head of recruitment the clubs results during his disastrous involvement speak for themselves to be honest I’d be a little touchy about letting this self serving leech anywhere near a Sunday League team in future that’s about as far as this fuckers involvement in football should stretch.

People like him are an absolute blight on the game. I hope he isn’t too touchy about that.

Well within it they denied any connections to the club other than having three players on their books, so wonder if that will be disproven over time

So Paul Watson who is on our payroll as head of recruitment is the owner of Full Ninety.

Pam Duxbury who is on our payroll as chairman is a former director of Full Ninety.

But apart from the three players on our books they have no involvement in the club. Full Ninety and Watson are a separate entity.

Seems plausible.

Now where did I leave my crack pipe.

Only available in Blue or White.

Roger Waters took longer than expected.

Well put Mr I. Hartlepool United's infamous recent history, for which about a book could easily be written, explained precisely in less than 800 words

Think anyone might be interested in the film rights?
Who would play Coxall I wonder?

Pretty sure the local media were about to come to the same conclusion... any day now... honestly, they're nearly there with it...

More seriously, all of that rings true and helps join the dots between the many rumours and half-truths emanating from Victoria Park. I'm sure like many, I just want this to end and one way or another to move on. Almost stopped caring as I get so wound up without being able to do anything about it.