What I have heard

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Freaky Teeth wrote:

Darlo used to average about the same. Now they get about 1500. Don't bank on the 3600 turning up.

Hang on they first played in Bishop Auckland, now on a Rugby field. Plus they didn’t average what we do when they were in our position in the Conference they averaged roughly the same as they now. The Vic is an absolutely crucial asset and it’s safe, it gives us a huge advantage. Darlo have got back to the Conference North very quickly to their massive credit even though they’ve been humstrung. Hopefully we’d start higher and the first two promotions at least would be straight forward. Do you honestly think people won’t watch a winning Pools team playing at the Vic? Especially if it’s a transparent club heading in the right direction.

Gerry Mandrake · **Joined:** Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:23 pm **Posts:** 1393

Freaky Teeth wrote:

Darlo used to average about the same. Now they get about 1500. Don't bank on the 3600 turning up.

I'm quite sure it'll drop but let's not forget that Darlington had to leave the town to play for quite a while and are now playing at a much worse ground than Pools. Whatever club we have it is important that they continue to play at the Vic.

Pools average this season is 3,615, last season it was 3,788. Factor in bigger away attendances and we haven't really lost any support despite being shite and in non-league.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

If the club is doing well and building momentum, more will turn up.

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:45 am

PJPoolie wrote:

If the club is doing well and building momentum, more will turn up.

100% and it will be a lot cheaper making it more accessible for the floating fan

born toulouse · **Posted:** Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:00 am

This thread needs a seafaring analogy about the floating fan. Maybe something involving a rubber ring? Over to you Snowy.

RichyHpool · **Posted:** Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:12 am

I'd definitely still go to pools games if we had to start over, they would still be my team despite the name change. Playing at the Vic would be a big advantage in those leagues and Id love to think we'd still keep the majority of fans. It would be quite refreshing to have a club to be proud of again!

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Yeah i dont have any fear of the club going bust simply because I know a new club would be rid of these sorts currently involved with the club and we would have people with the clubs best interests at heart in charge.

The club is aleady dead in my eyes, its had its heart ripped out by the last few owners.

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:22 am

Yep a fresh start with no 'legacy debts' a chance to build a viable business plan with a football philosophy with the owners only interested in the best for the club and not their personal bank accounts, exciting if you ask me.

Northshore · **Joined:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:34 pm **Posts:** 106

thetownendfaithful wrote:

Yep a fresh start with no 'legacy debts' a chance to build a viable business plan with a football philosophy with the owners only interested in the best for the club and not their personal bank accounts, exciting if you ask me.

This

PoolieTom · **Joined:** Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 am **Posts:** 779

Yubep wrote:

Your always gunna get naysayers, opposite bunker brigade, show me the proof people who ignored the stuff on tmh, ignored the stuff on coxall and will obviously ignore this and continue to live in opposite world where anything on the bunker is wrong, anything the trust says is wrong, and the club is ok.

Let em crack on.

You could tell where the thread was going on the other board as soon as someone asked 'where did that come from?'

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:25 pm

Tommyhufc wrote:

Please stop calling other fans stupid and such they do what they think is right it puts barriers up so let’s just keep the name calling out of things.

Well said Tommyhufc

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:40 pm

Compo wrote:

So here's what I've been told about the whole Coxall, Watson, Duxbury situation. It's an absolute mess.

Coxall wanted to buy a football club. He spoke to an AGENT (Paul Watson) who helped broker the deal. Watson then wormed his way in to a job at the club as a consultant and they've given him the job title head of recruitment BUT actually he's pretty much making all the decisions there.

Not only has he had a massive conflict of interest I.e signing players from his own agency to the club and taking agency fees for doing so but he's also pissed players off by trying to poach them from their agents and actually stopped a few of them getting moves. I hear Nathan Thomas and Billy Paynter despise him for meddling in their interests without authority or permission from either of their agents. Also I'm hearing that a number of agents refuse to let any of their clients sign for Pools until he's gone because they'll have another agent trying to tap up their players all day long.

Anyway, Coxall has allegedly been up to no good and we might hear something about that this week. But even though he'll be rightly vilified they'll make out he acted alone, but the buck doesn't stop with just him.

Watson allegedly saw Coxall coming and he's had his pants down. When the pair of them ran the club in to shit. Watson then got the CEO of the agency he's working for (Pam Duxbury) in on another massive salary. Coxall allowed it!

So Watson, not intent on bringing a bad business man to the table, takes a salary, get his mate Pam a salary and is now tasked with the job of finding another investor. The job he did so badly in the first place.

I've been told that it's effectively against FA rules to work as an agent and work for a club which is why he's down as a consultant. And that's why Pam has stepped down from the CEO role at the agency so she could take up the official role as CEO at Pools.

If this guy is as rotten as I'm being told he is. Why don't we just report him to the FA and ask them to investigate his role in things? Could we as fans or the supporters trust do this? We need rid of parasites like this. He sounds toxic and bad for the club. And worse of all, he's allegedly taking money out of our club for himself to do it.

Yes, we're paying somebody to take us for a ride! (Allegedly) (I like the word allegedly).

Oh and also hearing that Pam Duxbury is insisting that she stay on as CEO after any potential take over which is putting investors off because a, she's not very good and b, she's on a huge salary.

The mind boggles.

It like a perfect storm

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36416

born toulouse wrote:

This thread needs a seafaring analogy about the floating fan. Maybe something involving a rubber ring? Over to you Snowy.

Sadly our floating fan has is feet sticking out of the life belt instead of his head and shoulders ( other shampoos are available).

charco · **Joined:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:24 am **Posts:** 885

thetownendfaithful wrote:

Yep a fresh start with no 'legacy debts' a chance to build a viable business plan with a football philosophy with the owners only interested in the best for the club and not their personal bank accounts, exciting if you ask me.

I cringe every time I see the phrase "legacy debts".

It's just a reminder of how the scum came into the club and stole HUFC's heart, borrowing at unfeasible rates of interest with no intention of ever paying back.

It is the legacy of Coxberg & Watsbury rakxe

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22570

'Legacy debts' a lot of which are owed to Sage Investments.

Kallang Poolie · **Posted:** Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:06 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

'Legacy debts' a lot of which are owed to Sage Investments.

Sage, meaning profoundly wise. Oh, the irony...

PoolieTom · **Joined:** Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 am **Posts:** 779

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

'Legacy debts' a lot of which are owed to Sage Investments.

'a lot of'...

Who are the others owed to?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22570

Consultancy fees, introductory fees, hangover management fees and contractual salaries for people no longer at the club.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Consultancy fees, introductory fees, hangover management fees and contractual salaries for people of longer at the club.

Any cars in there?

JohnnyMars · **Joined:** Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:24 am **Posts:** 2466

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Consultancy fees, introductory fees, hangover management fees and contractual salaries for people of longer at the club.

Any cars in there?

Yep, we're still paying for Billy Horner's Datsun

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

JohnnyMars wrote:

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Consultancy fees, introductory fees, hangover management fees and contractual salaries for people of longer at the club.

Any cars in there?

Yep, we're still paying for Billy Horner's Datsun

Now that I could accept being a 'legacy debt'!

StocksfieldPoolie · **Joined:** Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:48 pm **Posts:** 324

and here is the proof:

Attachment:

Horner.jpg

pools85 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:15 pm **Posts:** 125

Good programme that Anything - always been a fan

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Any chance of a bigger photo file.

Cheers.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

pools85 wrote:

Good programme that Anything - always been a fan

I bet him saying he will watch anything will be well and truly tested these days. Fecking goggleboxacelebrityonicefactor can sod off.

pools85 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:15 pm **Posts:** 125

pooliecrab wrote:

pools85 wrote:

Good programme that Anything - always been a fan

I bet him saying he will watch anything will be well and truly tested these days. Fecking goggleboxacelebrityonicefactor can sod off.

Probably only had Dallas and Grandstand to choose from in them days

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

I suppose it was take your pick of which ever Yewtree nonce you liked best.

QuakerPete · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:43 pm **Posts:** 70

PJPoolie wrote:

Freaky Teeth wrote:

Darlo used to average about the same. Now they get about 1500. Don't bank on the 3600 turning up.

Hang on they first played in Bishop Auckland, now on a Rugby field. Plus they didn’t average what we do when they were in our position in the Conference they averaged roughly the same as they now. The Vic is an absolutely crucial asset and it’s safe, it gives us a huge advantage. Darlo have got back to the Conference North very quickly to their massive credit even though they’ve been humstrung. Hopefully we’d start higher and the first two promotions at least would be straight forward. Do you honestly think people won’t watch a winning Pools team playing at the Vic? Especially if it’s a transparent club heading in the right direction.

With a ground to play in, you have a good head start but it would also depend on the kind of “deal” you’re given should admin / liquidation occur due to lack of an investor - in which league you’re placed and any other restrictions which affect your ability to finance a new club. But you can use fans’ anger and sense of injustice with current and previous owners to focus the fans on moving the club forward.

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Seagull, Seagull, Seagull. · **Joined:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:44 pm **Posts:** 477

Got to be a little discrete here but I was talking to a chap today and mentioned pools. Couldn't believe it but he knew all about the situation - he isn't based in the north east. Nothing really new here but he knows a 'funder' of some description (I won't get into that), who has seen the books...! This funder was contacted by Watson fairly recently about borrowing money. The funder said Watson and co. are running the club at a loss of £180k/month, which is exactly the kind of figure we've been hearing. The funder chap, who didn't lend him any money) said he couldn't believe what they were doing to 'a little club like Hartlepool' (his words), in that they are deliberately raping it for as much money as they can. Its not ineptitude, they know what they're doing. Everything I was told backs up Compo's statement. I'll try and find out a bit more but its criminal, both morally and in all probability literally.
I know people are contacting journos and the police - keep at it because this can't be allowed to happen to other clubs.

Splod · **Posted:** Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:18 pm

The Trust had a meeting with the MP recently. Perhaps he can persuade the appropriate authorities to at least have a look at what has been going on. A letter to the FA would seem an appropriate first step with regard to the 'fit and proper person' test and the alleged conflict of interest. He could also contact the police, HMIP and financial authorities. Don't forget Al Capone only got locked up for tax evasion. Greedy people are greedy people. Time for the MP to do something positive not just go for the photo opportunity and piece in The Mail. Our esteemed ex-president (Mandelson) could also be asked to call for investigations.

horden · **Posted:** Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:24 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Consultancy fees, introductory fees, hangover management fees and contractual salaries for people no longer at the club.

If anyone wishes to know what Hangover Management is, I have some expertise in that area. :laugh:

Compo · **Posted:** Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:38 pm

Basically from what I said and have heard we are done and new club is only way forward

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22570

For me it hangs on two options. Firstly whether Blakeledge will walk away from the majority of his losses and whether there is enough legal confidence to challenge the dodgy invoices.

If those two things can be overcome then there is enough interest to take the club over as is. Failing that it could be done as a prepak with the administrator if a nominal CVA can be agreed. The only other option is liquidation and a new club.

It is absolutely certain that no one will take over the full debt to Sage.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:50 am

So that's Two options then: Blackledge renouncing or dodgy invoice challenge.

Or CVA - three options! Blackledge, dodgy invoice challenge ... CVA ...
...and liquidation - four options!

Nobody expects the Spanish Liquidation.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

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paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:02 am

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

For me it hangs on two options. Firstly whether Blakeledge will walk away from the majority of his losses and whether there is enough legal confidence to challenge the dodgy invoices.

If those two things can be overcome then there is enough interest to take the club over as is. Failing that it could be done as a prepak with the administrator if a nominal CVA can be agreed. The only other option is liquidation and a new club.

It is absolutely certain that no one will take over the full debt to Sage.

But is the full debt actually real?, or just a fabricated debt of made up bluster I wonder?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22570

Montpoolier wrote:

So that's Two options then: Blackledge renouncing or dodgy invoice challenge.

Or CVA - three options! Blackledge, dodgy invoice challenge ... CVA ...
...and liquidation - four options!

Nobody expects the Spanish Liquidation.

Both.

Option one, Blakeledge / invoices
Option two, admin followed by a cva. FL rules say you have to have a Cva to come out of admin.

Otherwise its all gone bust. Arguably three but I was referring to the not going bust options.

mugsy · **Joined:** Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:17 pm **Posts:** 65

Don't know if anyone can answer this question, maybe Mr I what is the current turnover of the club and is it realistic for the us to be self sustaining going forward. Obviously money would need to be found to finish this season because the current owners will have drained as much from the coffers as is possible before the eventually run out of people willing to give them money. I firmly believe the club could be self financing looking at other clubs that are managing in the football league such as Exeter City and A.F.C. Wimbledon. I think but could be wrong that the current claimed huge monthly losses are in large part down to interest charges levied by Sage and other loan sharks that have advanced the charlatans currently in charge money. So if these are taken out of the equation could the club then pay the normal running costs or would we need a large amount of other income to keep going.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22570

My long held belief is that it is interest charges and agency fees that have been the reason the the full details of the finances have been withheld, even to potential investors.

StocksfieldPoolie · **Joined:** Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:48 pm **Posts:** 324

Report them to the tax man, then he will request the books yes?

charco · **Joined:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:24 am **Posts:** 885

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

My long held belief is that it is interest charges and agency fees that have been the reason the the full details of the finances have been withheld, even to potential investors.

My conclusion too ...

... but I would include "consultation fees", probably monthly & tied to a contract.

PoolieTom · **Joined:** Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 am **Posts:** 779

Just read the trusts latest statement.. would it be acceptable to get hopeful that Musgrave may have a rethink if as they say, the books are finally in order?

charco · **Joined:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:24 am **Posts:** 885

They are in order, alphabetical order:

Absolute lies
Brazen lies
Coxhall's lies
Duxbury's lies
Errr that's it

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

PoolieTom wrote:

Just read the trusts latest statement.. would it be acceptable to get hopeful that Musgrave may have a rethink if as they say, the books are finally in order?

Fucking embarrasing that they ever tried to sell the club without putting them in order to be honest.

Amatuerish, unprofessional shite.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

What it does is backs up theory that they have plenty to hide. The thought that they thought they could sell the club involving some of the figures mentioned without them fully disclosing monthly outgoings is absurd. Do they think people were born yesterday? Especially succesful businessmen. It also angers me that the self interest of a series of scumbags and chancers would rather jepordise and seriously threaten a 110 year Football Club than reveal the reality of some of the stuff that has been going on regarding the clubs finances that has resulting in them being in such dire state. Whether he comes back in or not Chris Musgrave, especially his statement as it’s forced them into a corner and showed it for the cowboy operation it is.

To think they have the brass neck to say ‘show us that you have £3 million or we won’t even talk’ when they have nothing prepared themselves is fucking staggering. Whatever the outcome I look forward ridding our tortured club of these cancers for good.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I cant get me head round this.

They announced the club was for sale in December, and have just got the books in order now?

Is this a piss take?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22570

They reckon that it'll cost 180k a montk to run it so that Feb, Mar, April, May, June, July so that's a million quid. By that time it should be possible to dramatically reduce overheads in line with income. That leaves roughly two million. Sage reckon they've put nearly £2m investment in. They want to see £3m from an investor. Are these sums coincidence?

That's the sticking point. It appears they want all of their money back irrespective of the veracity of the reason for 'investment'. No wonder Musgrave walked away.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

It was Sage who made a business decision - let's be generous and just say "for whatever reason" - to take on the plethora of interest payments, consultancy fees etc entered into by the previous regime. They now regret that decision and are left with a virtually asset-less subsidiary incurring further debt by the month.

Surely someone can call their bluff and make them a cash offer that goes at least some little way to offsetting their losses?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22570

That's their prime aim surely. I agree; their business risk, their loss. Trouble is that its structered as a loan underpinned by the charges on all club assets. Even if they sold the club for £1, the finance master agreement still hocks every nut and bolt to Sage.

There are two charges; one on the leasehold and one all all fixtures and fittings. Both are made out to Sage Investments Limited.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36416

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Sage reckon they've put nearly £2m investment in.

Would help if they cared to divide the £2m into money spent on the day to day running of the club and other non football sums.

What I have heard

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