So here's what I've been told about the whole Coxall, Watson, Duxbury situation. It's an absolute mess.

Coxall wanted to buy a football club. He spoke to an AGENT (Paul Watson) who helped broker the deal. Watson then wormed his way in to a job at the club as a consultant and they've given him the job title head of recruitment BUT actually he's pretty much making all the decisions there.

Not only has he had a massive conflict of interest I.e signing players from his own agency to the club and taking agency fees for doing so but he's also pissed players off by trying to poach them from their agents and actually stopped a few of them getting moves. I hear Nathan Thomas and Billy Paynter despise him for meddling in their interests without authority or permission from either of their agents. Also I'm hearing that a number of agents refuse to let any of their clients sign for Pools until he's gone because they'll have another agent trying to tap up their players all day long.

Anyway, Coxall has allegedly been up to no good and we might hear something about that this week. But even though he'll be rightly vilified they'll make out he acted alone, but the buck doesn't stop with just him.

Watson allegedly saw Coxall coming and he's had his pants down. When the pair of them ran the club in to shit. Watson then got the CEO of the agency he's working for (Pam Duxbury) in on another massive salary. Coxall allowed it!

So Watson, not intent on bringing a bad business man to the table, takes a salary, get his mate Pam a salary and is now tasked with the job of finding another investor. The job he did so badly in the first place.

I've been told that it's effectively against FA rules to work as an agent and work for a club which is why he's down as a consultant. And that's why Pam has stepped down from the CEO role at the agency so she could take up the official role as CEO at Pools.

If this guy is as rotten as I'm being told he is. Why don't we just report him to the FA and ask them to investigate his role in things? Could we as fans or the supporters trust do this? We need rid of parasites like this. He sounds toxic and bad for the club. And worse of all, he's allegedly taking money out of our club for himself to do it.

Yes, we're paying somebody to take us for a ride! (Allegedly) (I like the word allegedly).

Oh and also hearing that Pam Duxbury is insisting that she stay on as CEO after any potential take over which is putting investors off because a, she's not very good and b, she's on a huge salary.

The mind boggles.

I've wondered if representatives of sporting direct have any guidance/experience regarding how to go about any fraud/financial misdealings. FA? Police? Surely someone can help us out and advise...?

And the good people of this proud town are giving hard-earned money to these crooks??? I'm fucking foaming here.

All of that adds up with what we know about FullNinety, Jones/Duxbury etc. If this turns out to be correct and the FA allows it to go unpunished, I'm done with football completely.

It beggars belief doesn’t it? But, if you dared to say the money shouldn’t be handed over people were all over you saying ‘you want the club to go bust’. No, we don’t, it’s just called being sensible and rational and understanding what is staring us all in the face. The money shouldn’t have gone anywhere near the club and I think people are coming round to that surely. It’s bloody heartbreaking. FFS!!!

While Blackledge and Duxbury have not exactly covered themselves in glory this guy Watson seems to have had everyone’s pants down as you put it. This all sounds quite feasible and there is obviously a rabbit away somewhere. One key question for me is why hasn’t this guy been sacked. They need to make savings, are getting rid of players and office staffs jobs are uncertain yet the Head of Recruitment remains. And we can’t recruit anyone because of the embargo. It’s nuts!

Absolutely appalling, sounds plausible though. Hopefully we can get some legal advice and expose this scum for what they are.

That’s me too, I’ve played, followed and loved football since I was a kid and I’m nearly 50 now. If / when we go pop, if this lot aren’t taken to task and “football” allows it, that’s it, I’m done

What would it gain? You wouldn't get any money back off them as it will all have disappeared and it'll cost you a bomb in legal fees. That money is better used elsewhere than pursuing people like that.

As a shareholder of the club, I have been in communication with a lawyer about asking the police to investigate the club. This is the response that I got.

"Simply put, everyone has the right to report an offence to the police, shareholder or not. The police though are unlikely to investigate an allegation that is entirely unsupported by evidence unless there is a particular issue that raises concern; for example it’s a regulated sector ( financial services) they are already investigating via another source or there is some other compelling reason.”

After a follow up question from me (is 1000 supporters marching on the police station compelling enough?), the solicitor suggested a conversation with the FA!

Does anyone know the process?

Just let the club fold and we will never have to worry about parasites like this again.

It sticks in the throat that scum fuckers get away with, I would love to see them dangling from a rope, bring back the birch!

The FA will be quick to punish us (the fans) but will not take any responsibility in letting set after set of charlatans pass their 'fit and proper person test' and systemically ruin this club. Our only hope is that these bastards aren't as clever as they think they are and have broken the law.

It backs up what Hignett said on Monday night, and I don't imagine he got a solicitors letter off Pools for saying it either.

Compo always spot on ie James, Jones, Hignett, Thomas etc

Cheers for confirmation of what’s going on Compo.

Thank fuck I wasn’t stupid enough to donate to that crap.

I sincerely hope that criminal proceedings follow this whole debacle as these scum bags bed to be prevented from doing this again.


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Compo is so small he just walks into peoples offices and listens to them.

Well intentioned and honourable, but some people must feel pretty stupid now. Had they not donated we may now of known what we will now get to know in a week or two.

We seriously need to think about starting a fan run club. Get the groundwork in place because these parasites aren't going away any time soon (or until the club folds)

DO NOT LEAVE IT UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE.

We could always report them to FIFA as they are a totally honest bunch.

Just join the Trust. Do it NOW. We need to rid the Club of the cancer NOW. Leave those that want to keep raising money for these crooks to their own devices. One way from now on, ignore the ignorant.

I'm in but what are the trust doing about it? I'm worried sick about the whole situation. Have the trust got plans in place for setting up a new club? If Duxbury is demanding to stick around this club is doomed.

Calling people stupid is wrong but it's sad people have handed money over without being presented the facts first. Fans of lots of clubs have been giving money that could end up being given to these lot...

I doubt much goodwill will exist if the money is handed over to this lot and then the whole truth comes out.

I all of this I don’t think stupidity is a factor. Blind faith and optimism maybe but not stupidity. The folks behind the Pools day campaign and the just giving page were all well intentioned but it appears they were also suffering from tunnel vision.

The club managed to pluck a figure of £200k from somewhere and they banked on fans jumping all over it....it worked and now we are in the same position we were in before the £200k, with the only difference being that the majority of the goodwill from both dormant poolies and well wishing football fans has now been utilised and we find ourselves in a worse position than we were a month ago.

I say worse because at least at that point we still had the good will of the footballing community, that has now been milked and we are left with nothing, no hope and having exhausted the limited pot of good will available.


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And naivety

Plus (and no not the girl who started it) the more I read from some people the more I think it was the idea of being deemed to be the saviour.

I haven't called anybody stupid.

You will always get two sets of people see things differently. I mean who would believe some people who live in Hartlepool and earn buttons vote Tory ?

The Notts miners thought by going to work they would save their industry and have jobs for life, anyone been to Mansfield lately? what a fookin shithole.

Some people in the workplace don't like Trades Unions, they would rather lick arse for their job security than pay £3 a week.

Some Blackpool fans are boycotting their games, do they love their club less than those that do attend?

This I'm afraid is life, people, nowt as queer as folk as they say.

The people who don't like the idea of The Trust and or those running it, were like that long before the issue of raising money was mentioned. In time I would like to think they would come round, but I have my doubts. That's a shame because if a new club is to be successful we need every man and his dog behind it.

You will always get two sets of people see things differently. I mean who would believe some people who live in Hartlepool and earn buttons vote Tory ?

The Notts miners thought by going to work they would save their industry and have jobs for life, anyone been to Mansfield lately? what a fookin shithole.

Some people in the workplace don't like Trades Unions, they would rather lick arse for their job security than pay £3 a week.

Some Blackpool fans are boycotting their games, do they love their club less than those that do attend?

This I'm afraid is life, people, nowt as queer as folk as they say.

The people who don't like the idea of The Trust and or those running it, were like that long before the issue of raising money was mentioned. In time I would like to think they would come round, but I have my doubts. That's a shame because if a new club is to be successful we need every man and his dog behind it.

Why not?

(I don’t think he was aiming it at you)

Agree 100% with that.


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What’s Christmas got to do with it all like?

Saviour...second coming and all that...

And my autocorrect on my phone.

eh?

My original post (now edited) said nativity instead of naivety

You after laugh

I think the penny is finally dropping now.

The only people who are still denying it that I can see are Mike Lewis and Christopher Hackworth. Hopefully the scales will fall from their eyes soon enough.

The latter knows its happening but hates the trust/bunker more than the people who did it

Such a shame. It's like a pissed up badly injured bloke I once saw attacking the paramedic who was trying to patch him up.

'International matches Lewis' and 'Second team after Sunderland Hackworth'

Balls to them.

Didn't kevin costner once say, "If you build it, they will come", or am I getting my films mixed up

Good idea. Let's start again as a rounders club.

Who cares, Lewis is part of an ever more desperate thick agendga and Hackworth is just noise, but he's making a fool of himself and showing himself to be as thick as the other main protagonists. It really is just a few left and now they're making themselves look dafter by the day. Let them get on with it it's light relief in these awful times. I have daily check to see what deluded jibberish Comical after laugh Ali has been imparting, I cringe at the thought of him making calls to businesses asking them to buy the club and what they make of them. Uttery delusional.

It's far too late now but the time has come to turn the focus on not the obrustructive irritants, but the real villans in all of this. Coxall, Golderg, Watson, and Duxbury. I'm sure theirs other leeches with grubby fingers in the pot who we don't even know about but we certainly know about this odious quartet. Anyone who knows any more names feel free to add them. They've all had an easy ride but Duxbury needs to be made aware that her pay day is over, we want her out of the club. She is not welcome. I think awareness across football needs to be spread, the FA want harranging and questioning, how do they let this type of thing happen? We're a club with a pretty decent profile by lower League terms and we have been destroyed by crooks in two and a half years. This 'lovely lovely person' Watson needs outing and investigating. We should badger the Police to investigate all four and the scandal that has gone on. We need to get onto the press, someone like David Conn would be very intersted in all of this. You never know if people are aware the extent to that Hartlepool United has had it's pants pulled down it might appeal to wealthy person with a heart! I'm not holding my breath on that score but the very least we deserve is justice and accountability.

This simply cannot be allowed to happen to another club. I am at the point were my head is saying I'd rather see my club liquidated and start again than see any of these cancerous chancers take another penny from our club. It's only my heart and the fact that a lot of undeserving good people will lose jobs and be put into financial difficulty that hopes someone comes along and gives them what they want. I feel for someone like Mark Simpson, who's been at the club for years is a local lad and is excellent at his job. He doesn't deserve to be on the dole becuase of frauds and liars. It's sickeneing.

Hartlepool United will always be here, if we start again we'll be back better than before I have no doubt that if we continue somehow in this current guise we'll be better for this experince but I don't want to move anywhere until we let these theiving, scummy, twats know what we're all about and use everything we can within the law to do that. Let's give them hell Poolies.

A great summing up Compo but absolutely shocking that these despicable twats have done this to Pools and this town!!!!
They cannot get away with this....surely the above must be against the law!!!!

But of course the admin from that other board reckons it is all common knowledge and he knew of the above weeks ago!!!!
But everyone who knows his past record internet wise just knows that if he knew even just 1% of the above it would have been plastered alllover every available social media outlet within seconds of him knowing with him taking the glory of being 'in the know'!!!!

If anyone who had this information weeks ago was advocating and making every effort, bending over backwards even to ensure the Just Giving money went to these people then I’d say they are either utter poison, mentally retarded or both. They’d have let down every single person who has donated in good faith. Like the other part that I’m sure is untrue about the council paying the wages if I did know that I would be keeping it to myself that I known it for weeks if I’d been taking part in fundraising.

But I strongly suspect they didn’t. I can’t believe that horseshit about Woods joining Portsmouth made the papers it took 30 seconds to see that was a fake Twitter account.

You detective, you.

Spot on PJ

Your always gunna get naysayers, opposite bunker brigade, show me the proof people who ignored the stuff on tmh, ignored the stuff on coxall and will obviously ignore this and continue to live in opposite world where anything on the bunker is wrong, anything the trust says is wrong, and the club is ok.

Let em crack on.

Balls to them.[/quote]

Who cares, Lewis is part of an ever more desperate thick agendga and Hackworth is just noise, but he's making a fool of himself and showing himself to be as thick as the other main protagonists. It really is just a few left and now they're making themselves look dafter by the day. Let them get on with it it's light relief in these awful times. I have daily check to see what deluded jibberish Comical after laugh Ali has been imparting, I cringe at the thought of him making calls to businesses asking them to buy the club and what they make of them. Uttery delusional.

It's far too late now but the time has come to turn the focus on not the obrustructive irritants, but the real villans in all of this. Coxall, Golderg, Watson, and Duxbury. I'm sure theirs other leeches with grubby fingers in the pot who we don't even know about but we certainly know about this odious quartet. Anyone who knows any more names feel free to add them. They've all had an easy ride but Duxbury needs to be made aware that her pay day is over, we want her out of the club. She is not welcome. I think awareness across football needs to be spread, the FA want harranging and questioning, how do they let this type of thing happen? We're a club with a pretty decent profile by lower League terms and we have been destroyed by crooks in two and a half years. This 'lovely lovely person' Watson needs outing and investigating. We should badger the Police to investigate all four and the scandal that has gone on. We need to get onto the press, someone like David Conn would be very intersted in all of this. You never know if people are aware the extent to that Hartlepool United has had it's pants pulled down it might appeal to wealthy person with a heart! I'm not holding my breath on that score but the very least we deserve is justice and accountability.

This simply cannot be allowed to happen to another club. I am at the point were my head is saying I'd rather see my club liquidated and start again than see any of these cancerous chancers take another penny from our club. It's only my heart and the fact that a lot of undeserving good people will lose jobs and be put into financial difficulty that hopes someone comes along and gives them what they want. I feel for someone like Mark Simpson, who's been at the club for years is a local lad and is excellent at his job. He doesn't deserve to be on the dole becuase of frauds and liars. It's sickeneing.

Hartlepool United will always be here, if we start again we'll be back better than before I have no doubt that if we continue somehow in this current guise we'll be better for this experince but I don't want to move anywhere until we let these theiving, scummy, twats know what we're all about and use everything we can within the law to do that. Let's give them hell Poolies.[/quote]

Spot on PJ[/quote]

"Hartlepool United will always be here, if we start again we'll be back better than before"

Really? I sincerely hope so, in a well run, better matchday experience sense, but I very much doubt on the field we will ever be better. If we have to start again I doubt you will ever again see United FC of Hartlepool in the Football League. That will be my aim, and I pray to god I win the lottery shortly, but realistically I think its a step too far.

We average 3600+ crowds.
The 5 or 6 fans who hate the bunker/trust and say should Liquidation happen they will never be seen again at POOL.

Thank fuck for tbat you wont be missed one bit.

Who cares, Lewis is part of an ever more desperate thick agendga and Hackworth is just noise, but he's making a fool of himself and showing himself to be as thick as the other main protagonists. It really is just a few left and now they're making themselves look dafter by the day. Let them get on with it it's light relief in these awful times. I have daily check to see what deluded jibberish Comical after laugh Ali has been imparting, I cringe at the thought of him making calls to businesses asking them to buy the club and what they make of them. Uttery delusional.

It's far too late now but the time has come to turn the focus on not the obrustructive irritants, but the real villans in all of this. Coxall, Golderg, Watson, and Duxbury. I'm sure theirs other leeches with grubby fingers in the pot who we don't even know about but we certainly know about this odious quartet. Anyone who knows any more names feel free to add them. They've all had an easy ride but Duxbury needs to be made aware that her pay day is over, we want her out of the club. She is not welcome. I think awareness across football needs to be spread, the FA want harranging and questioning, how do they let this type of thing happen? We're a club with a pretty decent profile by lower League terms and we have been destroyed by crooks in two and a half years. This 'lovely lovely person' Watson needs outing and investigating. We should badger the Police to investigate all four and the scandal that has gone on. We need to get onto the press, someone like David Conn would be very intersted in all of this. You never know if people are aware the extent to that Hartlepool United has had it's pants pulled down it might appeal to wealthy person with a heart! I'm not holding my breath on that score but the very least we deserve is justice and accountability.

This simply cannot be allowed to happen to another club. I am at the point were my head is saying I'd rather see my club liquidated and start again than see any of these cancerous chancers take another penny from our club. It's only my heart and the fact that a lot of undeserving good people will lose jobs and be put into financial difficulty that hopes someone comes along and gives them what they want. I feel for someone like Mark Simpson, who's been at the club for years is a local lad and is excellent at his job. He doesn't deserve to be on the dole becuase of frauds and liars. It's sickeneing.

Hartlepool United will always be here, if we start again we'll be back better than before I have no doubt that if we continue somehow in this current guise we'll be better for this experince but I don't want to move anywhere until we let these theiving, scummy, twats know what we're all about and use everything we can within the law to do that. Let's give them hell Poolies.[/quote]

Spot on PJ[/quote]

"Hartlepool United will always be here, if we start again we'll be back better than before"

Really? I sincerely hope so, in a well run, better matchday experience sense, but I very much doubt on the field we will ever be better. If we have to start again I doubt you will ever again see United FC of Hartlepool in the Football League. That will be my aim, and I pray to god I win the lottery shortly, but realistically I think its a step too far.[/quote]

What do you actually base that on?

Our natural level is the Football League, we have nearly always been in the Football League apart from our first 15 or so years and the last six months. Most clubs who have went pop quite quickly return to their natural level fairly quickly unless like Darlo they have issues preventing that like having no ground, Darlo have nearly done it with no ground. We have bigger support and with everyone pulling in the same direction I’m fairly certain a Town the size and a club with our backing could realistically return to the Football League in ten years providing we keep the Vic safe, which it is.

Darlo used to average about the same. Now they get about 1500. Don't bank on the 3600 turning up.