I just find it astonishing that others jump on the drama queens bandwagon and get all angry as well without ever knowing the truth of the matter. There are some young people on facebook that have a hatred of the trust that is so bizarre its now just funny.

Absolutely. Also, the savepoolsday folk kicked up a right storm when they thought the Trust was going to fundraise pre-Wrexham but now surely they are stepping on the Trust’s toes by continuing to pour money into a black hole, sorry the club

Thats the problem, you'll get people not fully informed, who will believe all this rubbish, and think the trust is evil.

I dont know every trust board member, but the ones i do know are just normal men and women, die hard fans, working hard in their own time to give this club a future, they arent the enemy.

The enemy are the ones not paying the bills, loading the club with debt, they are the ones where the anger should be directed.

It seems this has more to do with a certain persons hatred of the trust rather than anything else. At each turn he seems to find a new thing to bitch about none of which seems rational to anyone that engages their brain. Yet others back him every time. I just find it funny now.

Phrases like ‘theft’ and ‘borderline illegal’ being used. This poor bloke from Ebbsfleet must be stratching his head like he’s walked onto the set of the League of Gentlemen or something.

Thats as maybe but it wasnt with Coxall but these people and it isnt now either. They hate the pooliebunker and the trust much more than they hate the criminals that have owned pools. One day one of them might try and explain why but at that the moment its just comedy gold.

It's just a case of people saying the opposite.

This time last year we had players being sold and winding up petitions, the bunker detectives exposed this and said come on this is redic.

The same people said nowts wrong its all good.

Look how that ended up.

I'd be sending solicitor's letters if those terms were directed at me.

We all know what's really going on here. They're desperate to hold onto their label as 'super-fans'. They've backed every charlatan linked to the club just to worm their way in. They see the trust as a threat, and will do anything to derail it. The irony is, they're killing the club by doing this.

Screenshot this and put it where you like. You're the problem, not the solution. When those with sense were trying to prepare for the worst and build a trust, you put a tent up. A tent. FFS.

and a wooden bench

Tell me you're not serious.

not one but three.....photos on club website community news 6/10/17....fans sit on them at half time in the cold and rain drinking bovril and eating cold pies.....blackledge duxbury and their pals sit in the hospitality boxes drinking champagne and eating prawn sandwiches...about sums it up

FFS. Are they for real?

There's nowt wrong with the tent and the benches, now you are just slagging people off. Escalating the bullshit and stooping to a level nearly as bad.

To be fair Mr Ball, the benches killed the club. People who need to sit down should pay extra to get into a stand. Add all those missing extras up and you've got enough for several return flights to Dubai and two days of salary for the head of recruitment.

I don't agree; that whole group was set up in response to the trust to try and derail it. We've seen that this week; they keep on trying to find excuses not to support the trust. The tent and benches are a symptom of their efforts to divert attention and money away from it.

And even if I was slagging them off, to say I'm nearly at their level is insulting. I'm not screen-grabbing posts to share with others, accusing people of theft and wilfully twisting their words to suit my agenda. Come on, they said they wouldn't support a trust with Mr I. Now he's gone they've found another petty reason. If I was at their level, I'd accuse you of bullying me because you don't agree with me. You're not, obviously.

Don't see much hope for you based on the level of debt that's been accrued.
If you do go to the wall I'll chip in £50 to the trust.
if your trust is minded to save the club in it's present form, make sure that all the accounts are available for inspection, due diligence is paramount. The trust will probably have to sign some form of non disclosure agreement as the current directors won't want their incompetence highlighted publicly.
Plenty of trusts have succeeded, Exeter, Newport, Wrexham, AFC Wimbledon to name a few all in various forms of trust ownership.
Supporters Direct are a good and useful source of information and advice and I'm sure that any trust owned club Board members would be willing to help with advice and support.
Good luck in your efforts and hope for a brighter future whatever the outcome is.

spot on pal

Thats happening right now.

Good post valiant some people might come to the conclusion standing with a begging bucket is not going to save the club.
What is so annoying we know millions has disappeared and for me asking all other people for money to prop up the very same people who haven't got the decency or balls to be up front and be honest is a disgrace.

Problem you've got is that an administration will add a significant amount to the debt. circa £1million.

Telling the truth round these parts has you labelled as a turncoat and 'non supporters'. You will be abused from every turn but if you dare say anything derogatory towards those who are slagging you off its the end of the world. Oh, and don't forget to end the abuse with 'doesn't even go to games'.

The reality is that HUFC Limited as it stands is only saveable by someone willing to put a couple of million in and accept liability for ongoing and unknown liabilities. Chris Musgrave has had the best look at at the finances and he walked away. I've seen their sale offer document and its nonsense. Most of it is pitching the Millhouse Master Plan folowed up by some very questionable numbers.

In my honest view, Administration is a no go because the CVA will leave the debts outstanding, tplus administrator fees. In that scenario, the club will be forever unsustainable. Continuing to trade is a non starters because the debts cannot be covered by the income. The only way forward is liquidation followed by a Phoenix club. It's the only way to wipe out the debts and have a bright future. Many clubs have gone this route successfully.

People are giving money without the full facts. The Rachel fund has been hijacked by the monumentally stupid because they can use it as an anti trust vehicle. Unfortunately whether the funds are given directly to the club or to pay debts directly, either way it benefits the current owners.

Accept reality, move on with a new club. It's the only way unless a white knight appears and in my view that will never happen.

Impeccable logic as usual Mr I but I'm sure you recognise emotions are involved as well.

Asking fans to give up completely on the club they've supported all their lives to get behind Hartlepool 2-4-6-8 Motorway (remember the fun we had at the Darlinton phoenix club's expense, just a few short years ago?) isn't easy.

I'm struggling with it myself, and I know you're right.

As the council own the ground, can they not kick the present lot out? Serve them notice?
I agree and have been saying for ages, we need to start again from fresh!
A new start, a new club, playing at The Vic (if we can afford to) and start in the Northern Leagues.

Yeah that’s where I am, I said last week that people aren’t going to give up on 110 years of history and all the personal attachment and emotion connected with that. But he is right.

I don't argue its unpalatable Mr Dawes but the sooner people accept reality the better. Pools will always be Pools irrespective of the legal limited company.

While I’d support a Phoenix club I can’t accept that it’s come to that. I don’t know what It would take for me to realise it but at the minute I’m not ready to accept it. Now excuse me while I go bury my head back in the sand.

I suppose just in addition about the friends group, if we do end up being a fan owned and ran club then if they continued with what they were set up for then they could play an important part in terms of the upkeep of the ground and volunteering.

Despite everything else that has been said, when they have focused on initiatives around th ground I think they have been good ideas that have been well received.

However I would doubt some of them would accept this as they would see it as a secondary role. And would certainly doubt they would be willing to work with the trust.

Ask the fans of AFC Wimbledon if they care about their club?

The club had two main supporters organisations– the official Wimbledon F.C. Supporters Club, and the more radical Wimbledon Independent Supporters Association (WISA) which was founded in 1995. The WISA was instrumental in the formation of The Dons Trust in March 2002; this trust, created in part to oppose the relocation to Milton Keynes, helped the WISA to found AFC Wimbledon months after its own establishment.Both the WISA and The Dons Trust from this point became affiliated to AFC Wimbledon, while the official Supporters Club became defunct following the relocation.

Ok whoever has created that setting has made me smile, but not really helped my point...

I read your post and had no idea what you were talking about. But it was funny nonetheless.

The poor sod at Ebbsfleet probably wishes he’d never bothered....

I am humbled & full of admiration to all the people from around the country who have responded in trying to help.
If someone told me 20 or 30 years earlier that I would be on the side of winding the club up to have a clean start & starting from the bottom I would have thought them raving mad.

They keep saying that the older you get the wiser you get.
I would say that you because of life's experiences you do tend to become cynical & let your head rule rather than your heart.

I'm still trying to accept it emotionally, as from a personnel point it would probably mean that we wouldn't have a football league team for the rest of my lifetime.
But it's the only way forward.

It's like talking to a brick wall on there sometimes. No amount of facts or evidence can change their opinions, especially when their opinion, however wrong it may be, can fuel their personal agendas against the Trust. Now they've resorted to banning us all so we can't speak up and challenge them

They can't ban us from facebook ...

... muha ha haaaa ha

I've just read the thread on there; as there's at least one dig against me on it, I'd say I've been rather restrained. And the person who made that dig needs to get his facts straight. He's just plain wrong, but then again, he usually is.

Maybe you will never get back in the league but dont think that starting off at the bottom is a bad thing. For the majority of the time for us it was been a memorable ride. There has been the odd exception especially in the home for tea league where teams bumped their prices up and the locals rattled their pitchforks on the Non League Zone board in a League of Gentlemen style.
Most clubs though are over the moon to have a good following and make you feel welcome. Some of the grounds aren't great but you get used to it. Plus you'll start winning again and not be pissed off at "insert players name" earning £1k a week and playing like he doesn't give a toss.
And the best bit about the Northern League is you can set off to most away games by half 1 and still make kick off!

I've said many times that during the past ten years its been a far better experience as a Darlo fan that a Pools supporter. Should we survive this current situation the best we can hope for is a lot more struggle carrying the debt. We should clear the decks and more on.

I just wish that those who should be saying this had the guts to stand up and be counted.

I think looking at some of the posts he has blocked me on there too!

Very odd. Would expect that if it was physical threats or something, not just because you disagree with him

I'm not a board hopper or snooper myself, but aren't the other boards sort of 1/10 of the frequentation of this one?