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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:30 pm 
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That was the best/worst 2 hours streaming TV I've ever seen !

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IF that doesn't increase the TRUST membership then its time to give up !!

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A bit like watching Theresa and Ghandi driving headlong into an articulated lorry. Thank Fook.

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I did feel sorry for them a bit though. They did take some grilling and fair play to them for having the balls to do it.

I don’t think having pops at them will help anyone right now

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They went there with the intention of being back-slapped. No more/no less. Its been a me, me, me situation for a week or so. Everything that came to them tonight was deserved.

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bresslaw wrote:
IF that doesn't increase the TRUST membership then its time to give up !!


You could always give it ago yourself, at least the lads have got together to try and push fundraising forward.


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bresslaw wrote:
IF that doesn't increase the TRUST membership then its time to give up !!


You could always give it ago yourself, at least the lads have got together to try and push fundraising forward.


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How the fuck Mr I continues to allow this fuckwit to post is beyond me.

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Yeah, its the perfect time for HUST to show a bit of humility and in doing this they'll open (almost) everyone's eyes to what they are trying, patiently and professionally, to achieve.

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Yeah, its the perfect time for HUST to show a bit of humility and in doing this they'll open (almost) everyone's eyes to what they are trying, patiently and professionally, to achieve.

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I am not Poolie Mikes biggest fan based on messageboard craic and I get the comments about backslapping to an extent, but he still kept hold of the mike and tried not to hide.

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................to what end, as was asked many times tonight?

Dont believe that that wasn't staged for their benefit and back-fired big-time. All of this 'we've got something to reveal' bollocks.

It was hugely embarrassing for the club and fund-raisers alike.

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Incidentally , I am not speaking on behalf of the the Trust or any other group

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 Post subject: Re: Undecided...........
PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:56 pm 
tried watching the stream but it seemed to disappear at half time. What happened in part two?


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CMon Chris B. even you cant see that as a good meeting.

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Mr I comment on Facebook was around a potential investor stating that investment is based on fans being united. It’s been said a million times but now is really the time to put these to one side whatever you think personally.

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 Post subject: Re: Undecided...........
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Absolutely, then stop these devisive, fruitless meetings

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CMon Chris B. even you cant see that as a good meeting.

I can see that people like you are the problem. You need banning. What the fuck are the mods doing?

Fucking sort yourselves out

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I'm a member of the trust and don't know many of you off here or the other site but the lads trying to get ideas and interest from further afield to save our football club...I don't know what gone on with all this animosity between certain people and I don't care but this bickering at each other has to stop or we won't have a football club.


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 Post subject: Re: Undecided...........
PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:04 pm 
So can someone enlighten me as to what happened in the second half without being abusive?


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misterb2001 wrote:
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CMon Chris B. even you cant see that as a good meeting.

I can see that people like you are the problem. You need banning. What the fuck are the mods doing?

Fucking sort yourselves out


Disagree Mr B. If I remember correctly Mr Bresslaw took dogs abuse last year for telling people that Sage and Duxbury were no good yet I don’t recall seeing anybody acknowledging that now given what he was saying turned out to be right.

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 Post subject: Re: Undecided...........
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Last night I sat for three hours with a potential investor and discussed a range of things. The subject of fans being united came up again and again. This investor isn't interested unless we can fix our end.

This is real folks because it may well be the only option.


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I think that message needs to get out there loud and clear.

I still worry though that some individuals, albeit the minority, won’t take heed of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Undecided...........
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Let’s be honest here. Those 5 people sat on that stage are responsible for the fans division. It was not their idea to set up a Trust and they have done their upmost to derail it at every opportunity.
They wanted glory tonight and it bit them on their arse

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Mr Ripper wrote:
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CMon Chris B. even you cant see that as a good meeting.

I can see that people like you are the problem. You need banning. What the fuck are the mods doing?

Fucking sort yourselves out


Disagree Mr B. If I remember correctly Mr Bresslaw took dogs abuse last year for telling people that Sage and Duxbury were no good yet I don’t recavll seeing anybody acknowledging that now given what he was saying turned out to be right.

What, so that gives him the right to stir and stir and stir?

This is the future our football club we are talking about.

Allowing him to have a voice is directly affecting the Trust.

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Get rid of the likes of Bresslaw on here and that Mike gadgie on the supporters board that are not allowing old wounds to heal. They just set out to provoke conflict.


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bresslaw wrote:
Let’s be honest here. Those 5 people sat on that stage are responsible for the fans division. It was not their idea to set up a Trust and they have done their upmost to derail it at every opportunity.
They wanted glory tonight and it bit them on their arse


So have a beer and a smug face in your own house - planting it all over here is not going to help anyone is it? Even if what you say is correct then rise above it and think of the club right now.

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Ok. I’ll go.

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Aye fuck off and don't come back.


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 Post subject: Re: Undecided...........
PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:27 pm 
so what happened then?


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I did feel sorry for them a bit though. They did take some grilling and fair play to them for having the balls to do it.

I don’t think having pops at them will help anyone right now


I know what you mean and people just wanted to vent. No-one was really having a go at them. Problem was, they had met Pam so knew more than others and bits of information just haphazardly came out. And everything that was said just seemed to make it worst.

The guy has a big heart for pools but is a terrible communicator and it has inadvertently caused confusion unfortunately.


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Watching from afar wrote:
so what happened then?


Hope died a little bit.


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When did it become illegal to tell the truth. Just tell people what you know and none of this we cannot tell you nonsense but we know something. I very much doubt super injunctions have been taken out on all inhabitants of the borough of Hartlepool and beyond.

Just tell people what you know simple as that. It cannot possibly make the situation worse.


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I'm sick of hearing about the fans not being united, it's like it's an excuse now for people. There's a handful of cranks all round on social media with big ego's and social media has given them a platform to vent off on all sites on all sides.

But it's genuinely a handful of cranks. There are around 900 active members of the Supporters Trust (around a 3rd of our regular home crowd and that's being generous to the home crowd and probably around 50% taking into account it's adults) who are a silent majority of united people who are behind the club, the Trust and want it to succeed. Added to that there are probably as many or more non social media mouthpieces who are quietly giving to the current fundraising and want the club to survive and want the fans to be involved.

It's come to the point where actually, rather than constantly bumping gums on messageboards about how we need to unite and come together why not ignore the handful of argumentative dilettantes all round and work in the best interests of the majority of decent fans who just support our club.

It's become boring and the loud mouths or wannabe super fans should just be ignored. They either come with the majority and put their own egos away or go away. The idea that an investor is baulking at getting involved because of social media bullshit doesn't say much about the investor or how he is being advised in my book


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:54 pm 
so what happened? How many times do I need to ask?


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Watching from afar wrote:
so what happened? How many times do I need to ask?


Not a great deal is the simple answer. Passion for the club and the cause cannot be denied, however the meeting served no purpose as far as I could see.


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Have to agree with Dalton here, I'm just simply a supporter of the club, don't know anyone on here or the other site personally but realise that the trust is the sensible way forward. I don't understand all this bickering, surely every pools fan just wants the best for the club. I commend all the fundraising and realise they are just trying to help save the club but we all need to work towards the same goal!. The vast majority of fans are united and as Dalton says, it is only a handful of online personalities clashing here and those people probably just want the same thing in the end. I simply joined the trust as I thought it was the right thing to do and it involved fans who I recognise from over the years of watching pools and I know it was the correct decision. Arguing needs to stop though!


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I'm sick of hearing about the fans not being united, it's like it's an excuse now for people. There's a handful of cranks all round on social media with big ego's and social media has given them a platform to vent off on all sites on all sides.

But it's genuinely a handful of cranks. There are around 900 active members of the Supporters Trust (around a 3rd of our regular home crowd and that's being generous to the home crowd and probably around 50% taking into account it's adults) who are a silent majority of united people who are behind the club, the Trust and want it to succeed. Added to that there are probably as many or more non social media mouthpieces who are quietly giving to the current fundraising and want the club to survive and want the fans to be involved.

It's come to the point where actually, rather than constantly bumping gums on messageboards about how we need to unite and come together why not ignore the handful of argumentative dilettantes all round and work in the best interests of the majority of decent fans who just support our club.

It's become boring and the loud mouths or wannabe super fans should just be ignored. They either come with the majority and put their own egos away or go away. The idea that an investor is baulking at getting involved because of social media bullshit doesn't say much about the investor or how he is being advised in my book


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I'm sick of hearing about the fans not being united, it's like it's an excuse now for people. There's a handful of cranks all round on social media with big ego's and social media has given them a platform to vent off on all sites on all sides.

But it's genuinely a handful of cranks. There are around 900 active members of the Supporters Trust (around a 3rd of our regular home crowd and that's being generous to the home crowd and probably around 50% taking into account it's adults) who are a silent majority of united people who are behind the club, the Trust and want it to succeed. Added to that there are probably as many or more non social media mouthpieces who are quietly giving to the current fundraising and want the club to survive and want the fans to be involved.

It's come to the point where actually, rather than constantly bumping gums on messageboards about how we need to unite and come together why not ignore the handful of argumentative dilettantes all round and work in the best interests of the majority of decent fans who just support our club.

It's become boring and the loud mouths or wannabe super fans should just be ignored. They either come with the majority and put their own egos away or go away. The idea that an investor is baulking at getting involved because of social media bullshit doesn't say much about the investor or how he is being advised in my book


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Well said Phil!! Agree 100%


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I'm sick of hearing about the fans not being united, it's like it's an excuse now for people. There's a handful of cranks all round on social media with big ego's and social media has given them a platform to vent off on all sites on all sides.

But it's genuinely a handful of cranks. There are around 900 active members of the Supporters Trust (around a 3rd of our regular home crowd and that's being generous to the home crowd and probably around 50% taking into account it's adults) who are a silent majority of united people who are behind the club, the Trust and want it to succeed. Added to that there are probably as many or more non social media mouthpieces who are quietly giving to the current fundraising and want the club to survive and want the fans to be involved.

It's come to the point where actually, rather than constantly bumping gums on messageboards about how we need to unite and come together why not ignore the handful of argumentative dilettantes all round and work in the best interests of the majority of decent fans who just support our club.

It's become boring and the loud mouths or wannabe super fans should just be ignored. They either come with the majority and put their own egos away or go away. The idea that an investor is baulking at getting involved because of social media bullshit doesn't say much about the investor or how he is being advised in my book


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In complete agreement with the above posts by Dalton'sHaircut and phil. The vast majority of fans ARE united in their desire to save the club. The number of people who post on both message boards is tiny and the number of posters who bear a grudge/have an agenda is a tiny fraction of that. Do they really think that if they work in partnership with the Trust 2000 supporters will just fuck off and never set foot in the ground again? Whoever the potential investors are they need to ignore social media gobshites and get to the ground on Saturday. If that doesn't impress them then there's nowt else we can do.


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Utterly brilliant posts by Dalton and Phil!!!! clappp clappp


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As a supporter of HUFC and a season ticket ticket holder for many years and someone who desperately wants the club to survive like all Pools fans, I do have some questions for the trust. (I am not anti trust btw).

Since the club has been up for sale, what involvement has the HUST had with the original 6 potential buyers who all signed disclosure agreements?

Since the club was put up for sale, what has the HUST done to raise funds in case they need to step in prior to those 4-6 potential investors deals not happening? Why wasn’t something similar done with the justgiving page when the club first went up for sale in November by the trust to raise as much funds as possible? (Avoiding the comments regarding people won’t donate as they don’t know where it is going). Were HUST confident that a deal could be struck with potential investors therefore didn’t believe donations from fans would be needed apart from the yearly subscription?

Obviously Jeff Stelling has come out and said he would invest if The trust were running the club and this is obviously still a possibility. But with fans all over the country and world donating to the just giving page, it would be highly unlikely that the trust would be able to raise as much as what Rachel has because people won’t likely donate again. Basically, the trust should have started this long before Rachel.


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As a supporter of HUFC and a season ticket ticket holder for many years and someone who desperately wants the club to survive like all Pools fans, I do have some questions for the trust. (I am not anti trust btw).

Since the club has been up for sale, what involvement has the HUST had with the original 6 potential buyers who all signed disclosure agreements?

Since the club was put up for sale, what has the HUST done to raise funds in case they need to step in prior to those 4-6 potential investors deals not happening? Why wasn’t something similar done with the justgiving page when the club first went up for sale in November by the trust to raise as much funds as possible? (Avoiding the comments regarding people won’t donate as they don’t know where it is going). Were HUST confident that a deal could be struck with potential investors therefore didn’t believe donations from fans would be needed apart from the yearly subscription?

Obviously Jeff Stelling has come out and said he would invest if The trust were running the club and this is obviously still a possibility. But with fans all over the country and world donating to the just giving page, it would be highly unlikely that the trust would be able to raise as much as what Rachel has because people won’t likely donate again. Basically, the trust should have started this long before Rachel.


All of your questions are easily answered if you follow the Trusts statements. The trusts fundraising campaign was delayed so it didn't hijack the short term crowd funding page. The trust have already got Jeff Stelling on board who has stated he's prepared to show the colour of his money and he's workig to find an investor who has the cash to get us out of this mess who'll work alongside him and the Trust. With all due respect the Trust have long term objectives the crowd funding capaign has immeidete objectives which people obviously have concerns about (not the fundraising objectives just to be clear, the owners). Everyone has the same objective though, to save our club and for it to be succesfull going forward. There's no way the Trust should get involved in a campain that results in handing over cash to the current regime, they have been asking to see the books for seven months to no avail. As a member I would not vote in favour of that, I did however vote in favour of the Trusts fundraising campaign a few weeks ago.

All of the objectives are clear and detailed from the Trust if you want to hear them, it's time people put previous rubbish to bed once and for all and woke up to see this is the best way forward for our club. I'm not speaking on Trusts behalf by the way it's just my take if I have got anything wrong Trust board please correct me.


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Basil Fawlty wrote:
Yeah, its the perfect time for HUST to show a bit of humility and in doing this they'll open (almost) everyone's eyes to what they are trying, patiently and professionally, to achieve.


They have and are. Breeslaw isn't speaking for the Trust is he? I agree he's been a divisive figure and appears to enjoy that but he has actually been right. He's just gone the wrong way about being right.

I nearly posted it when the meeting was announced but didn't as I knew my words would be taken out of context and twisted but I was confused to what this meeting was trying to achieve and felt it could go badly wrong. The crowdfunding appeal has been a great success but is an online appeal as is #savepoolsday , they both have an objective of raisng funds and awareness in a short space of time which they have done very succesfully. It doesn't need a public question and answer session surely that just distracts from the objective? It's not how the World works these days with social media. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see those questions coming especially after this meeting with Duxbury. It's alright guaranteeing wages and bills are paid with this money but surely it's what these bills are and who those wages are going to that's still the issue? The meeting was completely needless at this moment in time and anything that has been brought on has been invited so it's difficult to have sympathy for people who have been trying to undermine, derail and disrupt the Trust since it's foundation.


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Duxbury said on a Tees any money given to Pools will be used to pay Wages, Bills etc none will go to Sage ?


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My question is, when they found out the club was up for sale in November, why didn’t they start trying to raise funds then, prior to Rachel starting her page, that’s what I originally said.

When the original 6 investors removed themselves were the HUST involved at that time with talks? If not, why didn’t they start to raise funds after that? Most people won’t be able to afford to donate twice, especially fans around the country and who will donated without knowing really what it’s going towards and the HUST.



PJPoolie wrote:
Minton wrote:
As a supporter of HUFC and a season ticket ticket holder for many years and someone who desperately wants the club to survive like all Pools fans, I do have some questions for the trust. (I am not anti trust btw).

Since the club has been up for sale, what involvement has the HUST had with the original 6 potential buyers who all signed disclosure agreements?

Since the club was put up for sale, what has the HUST done to raise funds in case they need to step in prior to those 4-6 potential investors deals not happening? Why wasn’t something similar done with the justgiving page when the club first went up for sale in November by the trust to raise as much funds as possible? (Avoiding the comments regarding people won’t donate as they don’t know where it is going). Were HUST confident that a deal could be struck with potential investors therefore didn’t believe donations from fans would be needed apart from the yearly subscription?

Obviously Jeff Stelling has come out and said he would invest if The trust were running the club and this is obviously still a possibility. But with fans all over the country and world donating to the just giving page, it would be highly unlikely that the trust would be able to raise as much as what Rachel has because people won’t likely donate again. Basically, the trust should have started this long before Rachel.


All of your questions are easily answered if you follow the Trusts statements. The trusts fundraising campaign was delayed so it didn't hijack the short term crowd funding page. The trust have already got Jeff Stelling on board who has stated he's prepared to show the colour of his money and he's workig to find an investor who has the cash to get us out of this mess who'll work alongside him and the Trust. With all due respect the Trust have long term objectives the crowd funding capaign has immeidete objectives which people obviously have concerns about (not the fundraising objectives just to be clear, the owners). Everyone has the same objective though, to save our club and for it to be succesfull going forward. There's no way the Trust should get involved in a campain that results in handing over cash to the current regime, they have been asking to see the books for seven months to no avail. As a member I would not vote in favour of that, I did however vote in favour of the Trusts fundraising campaign a few weeks ago.

All of the objectives are clear and detailed from the Trust if you want to hear them, it's time people put previous rubbish to bed once and for all and woke up to see this is the best way forward for our club. I'm not speaking on Trusts behalf by the way it's just my take if I have got anything wrong Trust board please correct me.


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