You do realise that if you go down that route then you are starting again from scratch? You wont be the same club at all. I know a few on here take the piss with the 1883 stuff but we were legally a continuation of the old club, taking on some of the debt as well as the rights to the badge and history etc. Wash your hands of all the liabilities and you lose all that.
With hindsight, following what the FA did to us, we would probably have been better off doing that since a chunk of people still class us as a new club anyway and we wouldn't have had £300k of debt to pay off.

Agree with a few others here.

Can't stand the thought of hard working poolies handing their cash over to pay for someone else's debt. Same with the boro supporters coming over for a game under the current owners. Save the cash for when they have gone.

Was it worth it to keep all that history? We've not got such a plentiful trophy cabinet worth clinging onto as yourselves and our badge is just a shitter version of the borough Council's. Given certain fans reluctance to pull together I'm all for the formation of The Hostile Groups of Hartlepool FC.

If you go into admin then the chances of coming out with a CVA (a conference necessity) is highly unlikely due to the amount of alleged debt.
If you agree to cover the football part of the debt (an FA necessity) then you would probably be a continuation of the original club as we were, although they would probably treat you as a phoenix club unless you get the football share that Singh kept from us.

There's no reason the trust cannot make a reasonable offer for the club once we are in administration. Surely Sage recovering even a small percentage of their debt is better than nothing at all.

In my opinion, probably not. But hindsight is wonderful. It was all agreed before the FA stabbed us in the back.

All depends on the size of the debt doesn't it. If they were so stubborn as to take the club on to regain all their debt, whats the chances of them accepting 10p in the pound or whatever.

Even Sage realise they are not going to get all their money back now. Even 10 pence in the pound would be more than our true value. We don't own the ground, players are free to leave for nothing. We don't even have a home strip unless someone can find a few hundred quid to pay the cleaner's

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I have just caught up with all the social media sites and I am dumbfounded by the fact that so many people seem to have cash they are willing to handover to unscrupulous owners to clear their own debt. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Many people seem to believe it the right thing to do so who is convincing them of this? Please convince me it isn't that guy from Leeds. Are people now so taken in by the loudest voice that they can no longer think for themselves. If 200k was raised this week and given to the trust it would mean the club could function a day later after administration. Pools would be in a good place in no time.

I hear lots of talk of history. What is history anyway apart from memories. Administration doesn't take away memories. I have a feeling of utter despair that local people seem prepared to give their money to a private loan company. It's so depressing.

This.

That guy you refer to I am sure thinks he is some savvy business expert. He isn’t. He is either extremely naive or just wants to be seen as some sort of savour

There may be alternate views on the best thing people could do. However fans are genuinely worried and just want to do something to help. This fund raising idea is one of the better ones, even if it only papers over the cracks, so let’s not be critical of what people are trying to do. Something is better than nothing.

I’m not critical of anyone wanting to save something they are passionate about but it’s clearly misguided. The owners have officially said nothing apart from that the club is for sale and that they will not put in another penny. Now people are fundraising for them. Take a step back and think about that.

That sums it up. Emotions are leading on it rather than people reading sensible posts like this and thinking of the bigger picture.

My brother just texted me to say he’d donated to the go fund me page. He’s a Sheff Wed fan. My dad moved to Sheffield many moons ago from Hartlepool. When it came to football, he picked Wednesday to support and for better or worse, I chose Pools.
I feel sick to the stomach that people like him, Pools fans and non Pools fans, are donating their hard earned cash and there’s a good chance it will go straight to Sage as they try to recoup their losses. It’s a fantastic gesture by everyone and an incredibly well meaning thing for people to be doing but as others have said, there is just no way of knowing where the money will go. I understand that people are desperately trying to save something that means so much for them but I just don’t think Pam/Sage can be trusted.

Pam’s a chartered accountant. I work in an accountants. Being a chartered accountant doesn’t necessarily mean you are good with money. I know of several accountants who have got into a mess with their own finances. Let alone running a football club. Not only that, I’ve known chartered accountants who have been able to pass their exams but have still been pretty useless at their jobs. I’m not saying that this is the case with Pam but it’s clear something has gone horribly wrong during her/Sage’s reign. They might not have caused the events that have now come to a head but they’ve clearly made them worse. There’s obviously something in the books they want to keep hidden, no doubt it is the loan/executive salaries etc etc....
It’s just awful to think that this money being donated, so well intentioned, could go straight to them and not the club.


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A rock and a hard place springs to mind, PJ. Fucking heartbreaking.

I mean, wouldn’t it be good if all this fundraising happens but is part of a longer term drive and becomes a bigger fighting fund for when it is really needed. And all the money could be put in some kind of... what’s the word I’m looking for... you know... custody?

Trust?

Just had a look at the justgiving page. Heartening to see fans from other clubs donating, but so frustrating at the the same time. If that money goes into the black hole do we expect them to dip into their pockets again?

It really is. It’s so great to see people donating but it’s just that unknown of where the money’s going to go. I guess the majority of fans from other clubs won’t know the background of how we’ve got to this point - to them it might just seem like a case of raising the 200k and then everything’s back to normal. I just said thanks to my brother for donating, didn’t have the heart to tell him where his money might be going.


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The fund me page was started by a fan, as I understand it, so if it is a huge success it doesn't automatically follow that it will be handed over to the club. Anything that is raised would be so much better used by holding on to it, or passing it on to the trust and not the club.

I'm a bit clueless regards the rules behind donations but regarding the money which is being donated on the justgiving page is there any way we can get the club to guarantee it's going to go towards the tax and wage bill? (if the reports are accurate from earlier)?

Just been reading through some of the donations, it's pretty humbling fans from so many clubs have chipped in, and loads of boro.

...and awfully said that their efforts may well prove fruitless

Papered over cracks aren't solving anything, just wasting money till the inevitable needs facing up to.
We have to call an end to this farcical existence, time to face up to our situation.

I've answered this on another thread, as I think it's an important question.

Any money raised is just delaying the inevitable though. The club has been poorly run for last 10 years. Its not rocket science , get a good team doing the business on the pitch and a well run club off it , and crowds will rise as will revenue streams. Take for example the club shop. I haven't purchased anything from there this season, not because I think the new badge is sh*t, but because the range and quality of clothing is abysmal, and it for the majority of my 45 years supporting Pools it always has been. People slag off Gary Gibson but he was the only person in my time supporting Pools who had a bit of class about him. HUFC have always had owners who do things on the cheap, and get their fingers burnt in the process.

But that's all in the past, we are were we are, and yes if fans of other clubs want to turn up Saturday and help us then fair play to them. I don't fancy much buying a Season Ticket in advance to watch a National League North. Personally and I have always said this, I don't think Duxbury has a clue. She needs to start doing things right, the first thing she should do, is sack Harrison. Just that in itself would see 500 people who have stopped going to games return.I could do a better job. I could certainly do the most basic thing a manager should be able to do, and that is pick the best eleven players and play them in the right positions.