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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:44 pm 
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Mr. I , I agree with much of what you say so I have tried to do an estimate of possible income and expenses .First of all under I.O.R. the balance sheet showed an annual expenditure of £2.5 million pounds, £50 k per week. If the club became a supporters run club it would ,in my opinion,do very well to have 2000 members. How much would the members be prepared to pay? Say £25 per month, which is quite a lot of money for many people, . This would be an income of £600k per year. Added to this season ticket sales of about £600k. There would also be other income from sponsorship, catering, lottery etc probably in the order of £100k per year. Of course running costs would be reduced by the use of volunteers . The question is could the Supporters run a successful club on that level of income. I think the answer is yes but it would be a huge commitment and touch and go.
At the moment there are at least 4 groups of supporters, the Trust, the Friends Group ,the S.A. and those who belong to non of these. Each of these groups have a common aim that is to support a successful football team. The S.A. own the C.F. It would brilliant if the other groups used the C.F. on a regular basis ,the old saying strength in numbers applies here. Now a question how much do the Bowls Club,Raglan Club, Mill House, King Johns Tavern etc contribute to the running of our football club? My guess is nothing.
I understand that leading members of the Trust are regularly receiving abuse. Speaking from experience whatever you try to do you will get no thanks from the football club and receive abuse from a certain type of so called fan, but the genuine fans do appreciate your efforts but do not often express their thanks. So keep up the good work and lets see if together we can get our club back to stability and back in the football league.


I know I’ve requoted a long post here but I thought this was a nice and constructive one compared to lots of the sniping about elsewhere. Thanks for giving me hope, it’s good to remember the silent majority are often the most positive and would come together if needed


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
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If a card carrying commie like Horden can have a reasonable and constructive conversation with a Fascist like me then theres still hope.


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:18 pm 
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Northshore wrote:
Ainsley and Miller are not full-time.They’d have to give up their secure day jobs in Teaching and coaching.I certainly wouldn’t if I was them!


Ainsley and Miller will have nothing to lose in applying for the Pools job once Aunty Pam mans up and does what must be done. Even if they fail more spectacularly than Harrison & Jenkins they can still walk away with their heads held high and secure a job elsewhere. I'm afraid the Harrison/Jenkins Project has run its course and needs to be terminated before any further damage is done. And please lets not be swayed by the onset of Christmas - both will walk away with decent financial packages not to mention a presumably similar amount being doled out to the FIVE additional coaches. Time to get real Aunty Pam - a struggling non-league outfit simply cannot afford, nor does it require this extraordinary number of backroom personnel.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:31 am 
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I agree with every word.


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:47 am 
Post of the year to Phil!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:35 am 
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I agree with Phil's thoughts but have got to admit that, after reading his post, my first thought was .....at last the penny is dropping.
I hope the tinkling of that famous coin gets louder and louder.

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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:47 am 
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You have to ask the question, if we are in so much debt why has a manager been allowed to have a squad of 29? He has come from a league on a par with the northern league. Get someone in with a clue and in 3 months time things may not be so grim.


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:46 pm 
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Still don't get the debt thing .. Its like saying I've bought a house but I expect people to maintain for fuck all. The only reason Pam and Co are putting money in is that Coxall conned them into believing their was money it..Once they find out there not going to get their "investment" back they'll be left with a few options and that's when it'll be time for the trust to step in . We need to build a warchest in case this happens anything else we do is just tinkering ..We need to prepare for the real battle not skirmish with ourselves. As for scrapping over shit on Facebook or here some people need to grow up..

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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:13 pm 
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phil wrote:
I genuinely don't see what people will from a new manager. The problems in this team have been plain to see for about 7 years. Do you genuinely believe every manager we have had in that time has been incompetent? If your answer to that question is yes, then do you genuinely believe that our next appointment will be any better?


It is a sad fact that virtually all of the Pools bosses over the last seven years have indeed proved themselves to be incompetent - ask yourself how many of the FIFTEEN managers/first team coaches - call them what you will- have gone on to manage other EFL clubs? And which are currently employed in a professional managerial capacity? I'll give you a clue, the answer starts with Z and ends with O.

Unfortunately the current incumbent is right up there with the worst of them and is quite possibly THE worst of a bad bunch given the fact that a) he is operating in a significantly lower level of football, if not in name then definitely so in the standard of opposition, officials etc and b) he has squandered a decent playing budget that would have been envied by many of his fourteen predecessors.

Couple this with the fact that after six months in the job he STILL doesn't know the best combination of the truly awful collection of 'professionals' that he has assembled, he persistently plays his players out of position, appears to be tactically naive, freezes like a rabbit in the headlights when the opposition change players/tact and, worst of all hasn't got either the balls or decency to hold up his hands when he has obviously fcuked up and maybe, just maybe you may be able to visualise what benefit a fast increasing number of people can see in changing the manager. So i also suggest you ask yourself, after recent debilitating if not humiliating defeats at the hands of Eastleigh, Aldershot and Dover can things possibly get any worse than they currently are under Harrison? Be honest with yourself - I don't think so.

With hindsight Pools fortunate win at Guiseley can be viewed as even a more significant watershed point in Pools debut NL season than was previously thought - for all the wrong reasons. Had we lost that game it is highly likely that Harrison's then brief professional managerial career would have been terminated before he could inflict further damage on the club.

This Saturday's Pot cup game at seventh-tier Workington Town may also be seen as watershed as defeat against such lowly opposition would surely lead to even the arrogant Harrison considering his position as the latest incumbent as Pools boss.


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:24 pm 
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We only have the owners word they are pumping £100k into the club every month. If they are ,I'd say they are taking financial incompetence to a whole new level.

No idea why we have 29 players on the books, but the club/manager didn't deem to like the question when the man from the Mail asked them why, so he might want to keep asking it until they answer him. Probably a story in there somewhere if he keeps digging.


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:25 pm 
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Smokin Joe wrote:
phil wrote:
I genuinely don't see what people will from a new manager. The problems in this team have been plain to see for about 7 years. Do you genuinely believe every manager we have had in that time has been incompetent? If your answer to that question is yes, then do you genuinely believe that our next appointment will be any better?


It is a sad fact that virtually all of the Pools bosses over the last seven years have indeed proved themselves to be incompetent - ask yourself how many of the FIFTEEN managers/first team coaches - call them what you will- have gone on to manage other EFL clubs? And which are currently employed in a professional managerial capacity? I'll give you a clue, the answer starts with Z and ends with O.

Unfortunately the current incumbent is right up there with the worst of them and is quite possibly THE worst of a bad bunch given the fact that a) he is operating in a significantly lower level of football, if not in name then definitely so in the standard of opposition, officials etc and b) he has squandered a decent playing budget that would have been envied by many of his fourteen predecessors.

Couple this with the fact that after six months in the job he STILL doesn't know the best combination of the truly awful collection of 'professionals' that he has assembled, he persistently plays his players out of position, appears to be tactically naive, freezes like a rabbit in the headlights when the opposition change players/tact and, worst of all hasn't got either the balls or decency to hold up his hands when he has obviously fcuked up and maybe, just maybe you may be able to visualise what benefit a fast increasing number of people can see in changing the manager. So i also suggest you ask yourself, after recent debilitating if not humiliating defeats at the hands of Eastleigh, Aldershot and Dover can things possibly get any worse than they currently are under Harrison? Be honest with yourself - I don't think so.

With hindsight Pools fortunate win at Guiseley can be viewed as even a more significant watershed point in Pools debut NL season than was previously thought - for all the wrong reasons. Had we lost that game it is highly likely that Harrison's then brief professional managerial career would have been terminated before he could inflict further damage on the club.

This Saturday's Pot cup game at seventh-tier Workington Town may also be seen as watershed as defeat against such lowly opposition would surely lead to even the arrogant Harrison considering his position as the latest incumbent as Pools boss.


John Hughes has done alright for himself after leaving us. Wish he was still here now!


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:39 pm 
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I agree entirely Wommers - its quite possible that given a decent opportunity to do so Hughes would have turned the club around at the time of his all-too-short reign as Pools boss. He proved at the time that he would not entertain time-wasters - unfortunately during recent performances many of the players have revealed their true colours and that description fittingly describes around 70% of Harrison's risible squad. Although Hughes is not currently engaged in a managerial position he is probably highly unlikely to apply for a vacancy under a regime that appears to be only mildly interested in Hartlepool United FC with seemingly very little interest in restoring the club to EFL status given the stony silence that has pervaded from the owners during the current slump.


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:11 am 
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Ronnie Moore is 65 next month, Mick Wadsworth 67, even Chris Turner is 60 next year, hardly likely to be actively seeking work are they?, looking forward to retirement I would have thought.

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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAWoo0
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For what it’s worth, I thought the Cooper / Hignett partnership looked promising, until Hignett left. As we know things started to fall apart after that. It then became obvious that neither of them could manage without the other. Again I think we all know there was a lot of things going on behind the scenes with the ‘owners’ and were not made public at the time which may have contributed to each of their demises


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
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Four of our last six permanent appointments had never managed in English football before they they took the job. Three of them had never been a manager outright before.

Yes there are problems with the squad, but I do think an experienced head would make a world of difference.


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:29 pm 
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Smokin Joe wrote:
phil wrote:
I genuinely don't see what people will from a new manager. The problems in this team have been plain to see for about 7 years. Do you genuinely believe every manager we have had in that time has been incompetent? If your answer to that question is yes, then do you genuinely believe that our next appointment will be any better?


It is a sad fact that virtually all of the Pools bosses over the last seven years have indeed proved themselves to be incompetent - ask yourself how many of the FIFTEEN managers/first team coaches - call them what you will- have gone on to manage other EFL clubs? And which are currently employed in a professional managerial capacity? I'll give you a clue, the answer starts with Z and ends with O.

Unfortunately the current incumbent is right up there with the worst of them and is quite possibly THE worst of a bad bunch given the fact that a) he is operating in a significantly lower level of football, if not in name then definitely so in the standard of opposition, officials etc and b) he has squandered a decent playing budget that would have been envied by many of his fourteen predecessors.

Couple this with the fact that after six months in the job he STILL doesn't know the best combination of the truly awful collection of 'professionals' that he has assembled, he persistently plays his players out of position, appears to be tactically naive, freezes like a rabbit in the headlights when the opposition change players/tact and, worst of all hasn't got either the balls or decency to hold up his hands when he has obviously fcuked up and maybe, just maybe you may be able to visualise what benefit a fast increasing number of people can see in changing the manager. So i also suggest you ask yourself, after recent debilitating if not humiliating defeats at the hands of Eastleigh, Aldershot and Dover can things possibly get any worse than they currently are under Harrison? Be honest with yourself - I don't think so.

With hindsight Pools fortunate win at Guiseley can be viewed as even a more significant watershed point in Pools debut NL season than was previously thought - for all the wrong reasons. Had we lost that game it is highly likely that Harrison's then brief professional managerial career would have been terminated before he could inflict further damage on the club.

This Saturday's Pot cup game at seventh-tier Workington Town may also be seen as watershed as defeat against such lowly opposition would surely lead to even the arrogant Harrison considering his position as the latest incumbent as Pools boss.



do you remember when we beat soputh shields

harrison bigged himself up by saying
south shields are playing beneath thier true level because of thier players ability

does he think we are also

well there is only one way to prove that point and that is by competing at the top of the league
i don,t see any evidence of that happening any time soon


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Many of the current Pools players are playing well ABOVE their true level if truth be told - the squad is as weak as piss right across the park, lacking guts, bottle and determination in addition to quality and even basic ability in many cases. Throw in a manager who is clearly well out of his depth, backroom staff who bring absolutely nothing to the table and owners who are involved purely to oversee their financial interests and you have the perfect recipe for further impending disaster for our once-proud little club. Only the Vic and loyal fanbase separate us from the likes of Spennymoor, Whitby Town and Shields.


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5 years ago we were 7 divisions above Spennymoor.
Could well be our derbie game next season.


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 Post subject: Re: FINAL STRAW
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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
5 years ago we were 7 divisions above Spennymoor.
Could well be our derbie game next season.

could say the same about fleetwood who are 2 divisions higher. its all about money in football nowadays. pools like a lot of clubs need a sugar daddy to come in wipe out the debts and put money into the purchase of players. there are these types around but would one end up in hartlepool.


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Smokin Joe wrote:
Many of the current Pools players are playing well ABOVE their true level if truth be told - the squad is as weak as piss right across the park, lacking guts, bottle and determination in addition to quality and even basic ability in many cases. Throw in a manager who is clearly well out of his depth, backroom staff who bring absolutely nothing to the table and owners who are involved purely to oversee their financial interests and you have the perfect recipe for further impending disaster for our once-proud little club. Only the Vic and loyal fanbase separate us from the likes of Spennymoor, Whitby Town and Shields.


"Throw in a manager who is clearly well out of his depth"

Unfortunately he has delusions of grandeur coaching the team to retain possession like Barcelona but not having any players capable of a decisive run or capable of a quick 'one two' to overcome a crowded defence. Possession for possession's sake makes us an impotent threat on opponent's goal and opponents can still score with minimal possession. We are a laughing stock in a crap league.


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