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Cant believe she bought their votes for a billion quid worth of taxpayers money, and didn't get anything in writing like.

20% of the UK population now officially living in poverty, and we got billions to piss up a wall on this dumb shit.


You couldn't really make it up could you ? what a fook up stpid

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Aye Chip, its all kicking off. Sturgeon saying if NI can be in single market Scotland should be too, and to be fair, whatever people think of her, she has a point.

Has anyone seen Cameron since he did a runner ? that bloke could end up following Bliar into The Hague , accused of war crimes , because lets face it, this could lead to break up of the UK, and the break up of Europe, exactly the same sort of build up that preceded the first and second world wars, when a dominant Germany took over economically.

It probably won't come to that, lets hope it doesn't , but it could do, and that idiot Cameron and those who pedalled untruths about the benefits of coming out of the EU should be held accountable for their actions.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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Good for the "bantz" though innit


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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The Pounds a little weaker ,but the Stock Exchange looks alright...

These figures on Poverty,i'm pretty sure they much the same when we were members of the wretched EU..


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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The Pounds a little weaker ,but the Stock Exchange looks alright...

These figures on Poverty,i'm pretty sure they much the same when we were members of the wretched EU..


We haven't left yet, you thicko


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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The Pounds a little weaker ,but the Stock Exchange looks alright...

These figures on Poverty,i'm pretty sure they much the same when we were members of the wretched EU..


We haven't left yet, you thicko


Are the EU blackmailing us with their divorce bill?,only a weedy fooker like you would give in..They'd only spunk our Billions on their dole queues anyway. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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The whole thing is utterly corrupt. Another 3 Billion quid on negotiations...
Is that figure kosher?
Because if it is, it would suggest the EU isn't the only thing we should be thinking of leaving.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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...there is a valid argument for that to apply to Scotland and London.

Not sure about London. I don't think it has ever questioned its belonging to Britain.
Although maybe sometimes it has wondered if Britain really did belong to London.

Meanwhile the North of England is steadfastly defending a country that has essentially never belonged to them.
A giant and totally unnecessary fuck up, but we always knew that. Or rather, those that have always known that always knew that.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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One of the biggest revelations has been that the EU has such a black hole in its pension provisions. I wonder why they never announced or tried to remedy the shortfall before?

A weaker pound would result in a rise in the FTSE (as has happened to date) since most profits are made overseas so when they are restated in £Sterling they are higher.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:07 pm 
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TalbotAvenger wrote:
Loid Blackwell wrote:
The Pounds a little weaker ,but the Stock Exchange looks alright...

These figures on Poverty,i'm pretty sure they much the same when we were members of the wretched EU..


We haven't left yet, you thicko


Are the EU blackmailing us with their divorce bill?,only a weedy fooker like you would give in..They'd only spunk our Billions on their dole queues anyway. :roll:



We still haven't left, you thick as a fucking whale omelette, piss addled tramp


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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Brexit won't happen.


On the money clappp Just another soap opera as normal. How do people keep on falling for the same stuff over n over again.We do not have a real vote because at times like this its proven. Put your silly bit of card in a box and vote to have your say :laugh: Then when the votes are counted and " shock horror " kicks in because you all voted for the opposite to what was expected by the powers that be :roll: they simply let things drag on and on and keep pushing home the message of doom n gloom until nobody gives a flying foook anymore. Then a simple second vote will appear in the new year to (save us billions of pounds / our kids futures staying in Europe etc etc ) correct the one we foooked up. banghead banghead banghead

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C'mon Chip it peaked at around 1.37..There's some very misleading figures being quoted here..And some very sore losers. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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We're leaving, get over it. The likes of the above competing with each other to agree the most won't change a thing. Personally I can't be bothered arguing with people who are so sure about our post Brexit future irrespective of a complete lack of certainty either way. But now they've got Blair and Clegg on side, that'll help their cause because the country will really warm to those two.

The reality is that no one will know for sure whether it has been good or bad for a few years after leaving.


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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C'mon Chip it peaked at around 1.37..There's some very misleading figures being quoted here..And some very sore losers. :wink:

I robbed the bank blind in that case when I got 1.43.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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1.51-ish when I was back and forth every fortnight back in the mid to late 2000's.


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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Must be great when all people have to think about is how much the exchange rate is. Whilst half of the country appear to be serial globetrotters, the other half never leave their communities , yes we have a very fair and equal society in Britain, NOT.

It doesn't look like our grandchildren though will be doing much globetrotting when they are older.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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When the euro was introduced in 2002 it wasn't far short of 1.50 to the pound. When I arrived in Britain in 2007 it must have been in the mid 1.20s. Within 3 months it had sunk to almost parity.
Fast forward, I changed a LOT of money to euros at the end of 2014 for 1.305, then cursed because it kept on climbing up to over 1 40.
I'm talking about the mid rate before the money changer takes his whack.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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Horden, when you're self employed with an international clientele, believe me you ALWAYS know what the exchange rate is.

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David Davis, what a f....ing embarrassment, bullshitter, liar and waste of fresh air. It looks like he has bullshitted all his life, hasn’t a clue. It was magic watching squirm yesterday in front of the committee. You could see he knew he had been rumbled when he touched his ear after the first question from Benn. How can he possibly keep his job after that. This lot do not have a f...ing clue!!!!!


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Horden, when you're self employed with an international clientele, believe me you ALWAYS know what the exchange rate is.


Fair enough !

I was referring to those of a certain age , who have retired ( some well before the age of 67, that most kids will work too in the future ) with all the benefits of a Socialist system , such as pensions , redundancy , decent pay , job security etc and seem to be out of the country more than they are in it, cruises, European city breaks etc.

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David Davis, what a f....ing embarrassment, bullshitter, liar and waste of fresh air. It looks like he has bullshitted all his life, hasn’t a clue. It was magic watching squirm yesterday in front of the committee. You could see he knew he had been rumbled when he touched his ear after the first question from Benn. How can he possibly keep his job after that. This lot do not have a f...ing clue!!!!!


Absolute Buffoon. The type of stiff upper lip tory, ridiculed on the likes of Dads Army and Blackadder, not much has changed has it?

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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Homelessness in Brighton is appalling. My dad was in a hotel their recently and said couldn't get to sleep as there was so much commotion going on in the street down below. It was 5am and he said there were more people on the streets than at 5pm.

When I lived there in 86-88 there was a lot of homelessness. Visiting regularly since I noticed a gradual improvement until in the late 90s it disappeared altogether ( wonder who was in power then?)

Now homelessness is back with a vengeance , a sure sign the tories are back, as are maids, servants, slaves, prostitution and a new one for the modern age, foodbanks.

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We had night out recently in Brighton,what shocked me is how close their faces are to feet of passerbys when they bed down for the night, or day,on some busy roads as well..


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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Sounds like Ken Loach is going to have to get his arse down there.

50 years on...
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Chip Fireball wrote:
horden wrote:
Must be great when all people have to think about is how much the exchange rate is. Whilst half of the country appear to be serial globetrotters, the other half never leave their communities , yes we have a very fair and equal society in Britain, NOT.

It doesn't look like our grandchildren though will be doing much globetrotting when they are older.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... are_btn_fb


One thing that is genuinely shocking as you travel around the country, is the sheer volume of people on the streets. Was in Brighton yesterday, Reading the day before, and it is getting to almost epidemic levels, and don't even get me started on the likes of Manchester and London.

It is clear the rich are getting progressively richer, the poor are getting progressively poorer, and the majority are doing what they can to get by as their living standards fall year on year.

I have yet to see a single valid argument to explain how Brexit will improve that. The best the Right can come up with these days is that nobody knows whether it will be better or not.


I may have missed the point but not everyone on the right wanted Brexit. Most places voted leave whether they we're constituencies who were normally left or right. The north east as a whole was 58% out for example. I think that is what surprised everyone a bit as those with businesses said we'll stay and those who we're seeing high levels of immigration and a squeeze on public services said out. But i will agree the far right did lead the call for it and pandered to the perception that this country was worse off as things are.


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I voted leave for two reasons namely:

1) there is no audit of where all the money goes in the EU and I suspect that there is much missing cash making FIFA look angelic.

2) There are I believe 28 member countries in the EU; some are net givers and the majority are net takers. It does not need a maths degree to work out that we will be better off when we are fully outside the corrupt embryonic nation state.

The big mistake has been negotiating whilst within the EU. We should leave full stop, refuse to pay any divorce bill and then negotiate from the outside with a level playing field. At present the EU are calling all or at least most of the shots.


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Says it all really. Well, you won, you're getting what you wanted. The bile and invective surrounding UK politics now is pretty fucked up and I'm resigned to us leaving. Imagine though, just for a few minutes, what would be being said if it was a Labour government presiding over this utter clusterfuck - the howls of outrage would waken the dead. To be fair the Parliamentary Labour Party silencing is fairly deafening - JC just keeping his head down and hoping rather than fucking opposing - due no doubt for his support of a leaving the corrupt etc EU.

The decision was made with too little informed debate - on both sides - and yet if people still, at this stage, think that Brexit will or indeed could lead to anything positive it beggars belief.

And as for walking away and then negotiating? I assuming that's just you taking the piss or the beer talking.


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I’ve tried to stay out of this debate but dstanleys post has pushed me over the edge.

Point 1 you raise is totally factually incorrect. In reality the EU is fully auditable and accountable.

The final point quite frankly is madness. I don’t want to do a long lecture about tariffs, trade deals, WTO rules and the biggest issue of all customs arrangements never mind the fact there has to be clear assurances on quality and contents of all goods exported anywhere. Suffice to say if we just left the economy would literally grind to halt and in fact we couldn’t import of export anything to anywhere. Never mind the fact we are abiding by an agreed notice period as such with A50.

You Know I can stomach the fact people are entitled to their opinion and have different opinions but some of the understanding and comments in relation to reality that some of the media and hard right politicians have brainwashed people with are a disgrace


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Just as a matter of interest, has anyone on here ever met a Brexit voter who said, "Well, I voted to leave the EU, but I didn't want to leave any of its institutions."?
All of this stuff (especially the single market/free movement of people) was debated to the nth degree for at least 6 months during the referendum campaign.

I grant you few realised that the process of leaving would be such a monumental balls ache, or that the Tories would be so spectacularly incompetent at delivering it that they threw away their in-built majority and virtually guaranteed a Labour government at the next election.

Me, I'm with Dennis Skinner: It's easier to fight capitalism in one country than it is in 28. Especially with the EU moving further to the Right with virtually every national election, as it has been for the last few years.

Agree with MFR: Corbyn and McDonnell are happy to let the apple fall from the tree where it will.


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
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I took my rag and bone cart to Brighton the other day, what shocked me is how everyone else didn't look like eight ace from the Viz and stink of piss like I do


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Corbyn is playing a blinder. He has to go along with 'the will of the people' as any opposition to Brexit will have him crucified. He will also not be tainted by the utter shambles it is turning into. There's no influence he can have on the process anyway, so sitting quietly and waiting to pick up the pieces is the best course of action.

The best we can hope for is the Tories calling a 2nd referendum to get everyone off the hook.

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The best I can hope for is for Britain to suddenly have a constitution, but one that none of the political parties have a say in.
It's not as though there aren't a 100 models to crib from.

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I voted leave for two reasons namely:

1) there is no audit of where all the money goes in the EU and I suspect that there is much missing cash making FIFA look angelic.

2) There are I believe 28 member countries in the EU; some are net givers and the majority are net takers. It does not need a maths degree to work out that we will be better off when we are fully outside the corrupt embryonic nation state.

The big mistake has been negotiating whilst within the EU. We should leave full stop, refuse to pay any divorce bill and then negotiate from the outside with a level playing field. At present the EU are calling all or at least most of the shots.



I thought the EU was full of too much red tape and bureaucracy , strange then how they cannot manage an audit.

I would of guessed most people with a Maths degree would of voted to stay in the EU.

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horden wrote:
dstanley wrote:
I voted leave for two reasons namely:

1) there is no audit of where all the money goes in the EU and I suspect that there is much missing cash making FIFA look angelic.

2) There are I believe 28 member countries in the EU; some are net givers and the majority are net takers. It does not need a maths degree to work out that we will be better off when we are fully outside the corrupt embryonic nation state.

The big mistake has been negotiating whilst within the EU. We should leave full stop, refuse to pay any divorce bill and then negotiate from the outside with a level playing field. At present the EU are calling all or at least most of the shots.



I thought the EU was full of too much red tape and bureaucracy , strange then how they cannot manage an audit.

I would of guessed most people with a Maths degree would of voted to stay in the EU.



Anyone with a Maths degree obtained in the old Eastern bloc countries will tell you that they do very well sucking up the EU budget.


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Here's a few questions for Brexiters - how much have we spent up to now on Brexit?

How will we have spent when it all finishes?

How much would we have given to the EU in the meantime?

How long will it take us to earn back the difference?

How are we going to earn back the difference?

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Here's a few questions for Brexiters - how much have we spent up to now on Brexit?

How will we have spent when it all finishes?

How much would we have given to the EU in the meantime?

How long will it take us to earn back the difference?

How are we going to earn back the difference?


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May has just bought herself some time with this latest deal ( assuming its ratified by the other EU countries, and I'm not convinced it will be) before it ends in one big catastrophe.

If this latest deal is to lead to something, it appears the UK has caved in and recognised that it is they rather than the EU, who are the junior partners , otherwise why couldn't this of been done a year ago?.

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Anyone with a Maths degree obtained in the old Eastern bloc countries will tell you that they do very well sucking up the EU budget.


Trying to debate with that is like explaining algebra to a giraffe


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Well Done Brexshitters they've changed the UK into a Eunuch. The valls that they where hoping we'd gain have lopped off and nailed to a post in Brussels to appease the tory party

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Anyone with a Maths degree obtained in the old Eastern bloc countries will tell you that they do very well sucking up the EU budget.


Trying to debate with that is like explaining algebra to a giraffe


That’s very harsh, Giraffes are intelligent animals.


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Here's a few questions for Brexiters - how much have we spent up to now on Brexit?

How will we have spent when it all finishes?

How much would we have given to the EU in the meantime?

How long will it take us to earn back the difference?

How are we going to earn back the difference?


Surprise, surprise, no answers.

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