Is that right by the way?

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:27 pm

derwent wrote:

First of all The Board of The Trust made themselves available to anyone who wished to meet them. There were no caveats to that invitation. I would put it to you that because only 7 turned up that could be interpreted that the membership are happy with the board. Obviously no one had any serious issues with them or said people would have been queueing up to confront them. I didn't go because of those reasons, so the turn out is irrelevant.
Secondly, I agree with you that some of the comments made both on here and facebook are laughable but this is not a laughing matter, it is serious. For some time now an element of our support have made disparaging remarks about The Trust and even made up songs/chants etc, mostly at away grounds. This element is allegedly 20 to 30 strong, whereas the Trust membership is 850 strong and, at no time have any members of The Trust gathered together to sing any sort of reply or retaliation.
This behaviour drew a blank, no one was taking any notice of these chanters. A nerve was struck, insomuch that, at South Shields last Saturday the chanting changed to intimidation.
Now what do we collectively do about it. We could have a meeting between the Trust and ANY person or persons that have any misgivings as to the purpose or intent of the Trust. Well the Trust tried that, they invited people to come and discuss matters with the Board of the Trust. Now if you or I or any other person was so disenchanted with the Trust, here was a Golden opportunity to air our views, get questions answered, allay our fears etc etc etc etc. Was that opportunity taken? No it wasn't.
So, on the one hand, we have a small, minority and disgruntled group resorting to intimidation to impose their will and the rest of us resorting to absolute disgust as to the behaviour of this minority, without any sign of violence.
We are trying to make sure that there is no physical escalation of this situation by highlighting this disgraceful behaviour and by demanding it is stamped out before someone gets hurt.
Of course we would like a peaceful and amicable solution to this unfortunate position we find ourselves in, we all hopefully agree to that.
We have a Trust, just the same as a lot of football clubs. People have a choice as to whether they join or not.
I respect anybody's choice not to join. All I am asking in return is that any choice I make gets equal respect.

Great post.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

derwent wrote:

First of all The Board of The Trust made themselves available to anyone who wished to meet them. There were no caveats to that invitation. I would put it to you that because only 7 turned up that could be interpreted that the membership are happy with the board. Obviously no one had any serious issues with them or said people would have been queueing up to confront them. I didn't go because of those reasons, so the turn out is irrelevant.
Secondly, I agree with you that some of the comments made both on here and facebook are laughable but this is not a laughing matter, it is serious. For some time now an element of our support have made disparaging remarks about The Trust and even made up songs/chants etc, mostly at away grounds. This element is allegedly 20 to 30 strong, whereas the Trust membership is 850 strong and, at no time have any members of The Trust gathered together to sing any sort of reply or retaliation.
This behaviour drew a blank, no one was taking any notice of these chanters. A nerve was struck, insomuch that, at South Shields last Saturday the chanting changed to intimidation.
Now what do we collectively do about it. We could have a meeting between the Trust and ANY person or persons that have any misgivings as to the purpose or intent of the Trust. Well the Trust tried that, they invited people to come and discuss matters with the Board of the Trust. Now if you or I or any other person was so disenchanted with the Trust, here was a Golden opportunity to air our views, get questions answered, allay our fears etc etc etc etc. Was that opportunity taken? No it wasn't.
So, on the one hand, we have a small, minority and disgruntled group resorting to intimidation to impose their will and the rest of us resorting to absolute disgust as to the behaviour of this minority, without any sign of violence.
We are trying to make sure that there is no physical escalation of this situation by highlighting this disgraceful behaviour and by demanding it is stamped out before someone gets hurt.
Of course we would like a peaceful and amicable solution to this unfortunate position we find ourselves in, we all hopefully agree to that.
We have a Trust, just the same as a lot of football clubs. People have a choice as to whether they join or not.
I respect anybody's choice not to join. All I am asking in return is that any choice I make gets equal respect.

End of thread for me! clappp

Thecorvus · **Joined:** Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:14 pm **Posts:** 43

Maybe the post Shouldn't of been started in the first Place. It wasn't going to make the whole situation any better was it?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Thecorvus wrote:

Maybe the post Shouldn't of been started in the first Place. It wasn't going to make the whole situation any better was it?

What just pretend it's not happening and all bury our heads in the sand?

It's gone on far too long and it's creating an awful atmosphere, things need to come to abhead and people need to move forward. What is happening is completely counter productive and completely misguided.

I think it's been an excellent thread with loads of good points made.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22640

I've done the miles too over the years Chip. Plenty of wet Tuesday nights at Halifax and Rochdale.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Corvus. All you need to know in 6 letters

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:22 pm

Bresslaw. All you need to know in 8 letters

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

It's all this threads fault.

Utterly ridiculous yet again.

Apparently this thread should be deleted.

Why? What would that achieve?

As I said I thinks it's been been a good thread and with lots of good posts. I think on or two comments might have crossed the line a bit and I know the lads involved probably aren't all bad, or in most cases not all at bad, just misguided and a bit easily lead.

Why don't you put yourself in the shoes of someone on the receiving end though? Someone at the match with family there to support Pools having shite like that aggressively screamed at you? I imagine all the people blaming this thread would find it very easy to just turn the other cheek. How is this supporting the team and what does it achieve? It is moronic. Suggesting it should be ignored is pathetic.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12332

Well, as someone who attends Pools matches with my wife and daughter, I for one will not be comfortable until this situation is resolved.
I used to be aware of the danger coming from non Poolies. I never ever dreamt that there would be any danger from my own fellow fans.
I used to take comfort from the fact that Poolies would rally to protect my wife and daughter.
Now I don't know what to think.
I can't risk putting them in danger at away games so, until this is over, I won't be taking them. We've done two away matches already this season, that will have to do.

Twilight Zone · **Joined:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1428

derwent wrote:

Well, as someone who attends Pools matches with my wife and daughter, I for one will not be comfortable until this situation is resolved.
I used to be aware of the danger coming from non Poolies. I never ever dreamt that there would be any danger from my own fellow fans.
I used to take comfort from the fact that Poolies would rally to protect my wife and daughter.
Now I don't know what to think.
I can't risk putting them in danger at away games so, until this is over, I won't be taking them. We've done two away matches already this season, that will have to do.

Why has it had to come to this

total disgrace and lack of respect from the few to the many

maybe its time to drop the "united" bit because our fans are anything but united. Very very sad state of affairs. Very embarrassing never thought this was possible at our small tight knit club where mainly everyone knows everyone. This could be the beginning of the end for the club we all follow and love, because if fans stay away god help the the club. banghead

ramsbottom · **Joined:** Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:22 pm **Posts:** 3

I joined to thank you for explaining a situation I found myself in where I thought I must be dreaming at Bromley. About 10 people were singing the song you refer to, and kept up an anti Trust chant in the bar at halftime. I'm not sure they returned to watch the second half. So now I know.
I remonstrated with one thick necked chap at the end who was screaming in Carl Magnay's face. Carl shook my hand and I went on my way, pondering.
I didn't see them at Woking. I'll be attending other southern games coming up and certainly will draw stewards attention to anything untoward.
I've joined the Trust although I can't get to home games (too far), but good luck for a successful outcome to negotiations with the current owners

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:53 pm

Getting boring now this, been reading the other gaff and it`s just the same stance over and over, unless you agree to meet up and discuss things in a sensible manner with no alcohol involved, you may as well just keep pissing in the wind and recycling the same old shite month after month.

Shamrock came to the meet the board, I don`t think he felt unwelcome and the same would happen with anybody else, we want the same end result, just people not wanting to give an inch because of historical bullshit, get over it and have a pow wow, I`ll make cakes

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:23 pm

phil wrote:

I hate to agree with MonkeyButt, but I'm so past caring now. If anything illegal has been done, inform the police. If racist things are being said, report it to Kick It Out via the app and the club. If people want to chant about the Trust, crack on lads. I'd rather be inside a group trying to change the things I don't like than on the outside coming up with semi coherent chants and effecting nothing.

I do think some of the posts on this thread have gone too far, and all certain posters are doing is rising to the bait. Let them get on with their nonsense.

Why would you hate to agree with somebody who makes cake?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37193

I wasn't going to comment on this, but if people want to be like that there's nowt much you can do. Reasoning is pointless, let them bang away, they're in an echo chamber. Acknowledging their point is only feeding the fire. Leave them to chunter, in reality, no one's listening.

Thecorvus · **Joined:** Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:14 pm **Posts:** 43

ramsbottom wrote:

I joined to thank you for explaining a situation I found myself in where I thought I must be dreaming at Bromley. About 10 people were singing the song you refer to, and kept up an anti Trust chant in the bar at halftime. I'm not sure they returned to watch the second half. So now I know.
I remonstrated with one thick necked chap at the end who was screaming in Carl Magnay's face. Carl shook my hand and I went on my way, pondering.
I didn't see them at Woking. I'll be attending other southern games coming up and certainly will draw stewards attention to anything untoward.
I've joined the Trust although I can't get to home games (too far), but good luck for a successful outcome to negotiations with the current owners

And it's took you 2.5 years to post this ? Seeing as you joined 14/02/2015 something Fishy here!

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Chip Fireball wrote:

Spoken to the guy that runs the other board tonight, not sure what can be done to be honest. None of this is anything to do with Friends Group or the guys running it, likewise nothing to do with Ronnie Harnish and the people running the Trust.

As has been said seems to be fuelled by historic disagreements that people probably cant even remember what they fell out over in the first place.

No idea how this group of young lads that seem so hostile to The Trust have got involved, most of them not even old enough to have been around when the message boards started 10 year ago. You would have thought two Groups working to raise money for the football club would be a positive thing but apparently it isn't.

One thing is for certain is that if it isn't stopped somehow then the club is fucked. Which I think I have said several times already so probably time to stop talking and go to bed.

It is historic it goes back way before Mr Blue set up that message board, way, way before. I used to be a member when Yloop ran Into The Blue and gave in after a while because it was pointless posting as all you got was abuse because of being associated as someone who posted on The Bunker. The thing is at some point they have all been members of The Bunker at some point until they had disagreements or did something that got them banned. Some were members for years until dummy spits.

I'm not saying to this to inflame things further but the worst culprit on that other board in fact across both is the poster 'Richo' You get the impression at some point The Bunker burnt down his house and emptied his bank account. If he thinks all the blame lies with 'The Bunker' and only facts get posted on the other board and nobody is culpable of trouble causing or name calling then he needs help. People are clearly culpable on both sides but most are grown me and this is ridiculous a bit of self awareness wouldn't go a miss. I was reading this morning a post by Mr Blue about Monkeybutts post on here that was positive and a step forwards and he's replying having a dig at the 'The Bunker' and how Mr I moderates it.

This needs confronting and putting a stop to across both forums, if people don't play nice ban them. Deleting posts is not the answer this needs stopping once and for all. It's not trouble causing its confronting the Elephant in the room anyone who can't accept that is clearly culpable themselves.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

In terms of this specific thread and example I am a little unsure what it specifically has to do with the other board in fact. It’s about an incident that happened at the match involving intimidation and threatening behavior by a group of pissed up young lads. I’m curious why the other board have made it about them and want to defend it so vehemently?

Anyway there are 850 adult members of the Trust who care about protecting our club and just want to get on with it. I get all the points that it’s gone too far but I don’t think you will change the minds of people who won’t listen or who won’t reason. However when it comes to people being intimidated at games by their own fans that has gone too far. A few people have said things have been said on this thread which go too far, I am unsure what has?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

It's where these chants stem from though and this ridiculous and totally wide of the mark 'Bunker Trust' mentality that is harming our supporters Trusts progress which is bonkers.

Again yesterday by the same poster quotes from the Facebook thread were completely wrongly atteibuted to this thread on here. It all adds fires to the flames and it's built on yet another untruth.

People need to talk face to face get over themselves and whatever agenda they have. Have a beer before or after the game Saturday I'm sure things are nowhere near as bad face to face and people might even get on. This obsession bordering on hatred is pathetic and needs to stop.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:41 am

Chip Fireball wrote:

We have a meeting with the lad that runs the Facebook Page on Saturday to discuss a way forward that tries to bring people together instead of pulling us apart.

I'm trying very hard to set up a similar meeting with Kev and Tony from Friends Group for next week, which again would involve people from The Trust and The Bunker.

Those hopefully will be the first steps to at least getting some sort of informal Code of Conduct in place to try and put a stop to all of this ridiculous " he said, she said " stuff that ends up getting escalated .

Probably be harder to resolve than The Syrian Crisis, but you have to start somewhere.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Good luck with that Chip, hopefully all gets sorted as its in the clubs interest and thats surely what both message boards want?

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12332

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

Good luck with that Chip, hopefully all gets sorted as its in the clubs interest and thats surely what both message boards want?

Yes, good luck to Chip and anyone else who gets involved in resolving this issue.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:01 pm

PaulL wrote:

phil wrote:

But then what would we all talk about?

Takeaways and socks and bread and one liners

ramsbottom · **Joined:** Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:22 pm **Posts:** 3

Thecorvus wrote:

ramsbottom wrote:

I joined to thank you for explaining a situation I found myself in where I thought I must be dreaming at Bromley. About 10 people were singing the song you refer to, and kept up an anti Trust chant in the bar at halftime. I'm not sure they returned to watch the second half. So now I know.
I remonstrated with one thick necked chap at the end who was screaming in Carl Magnay's face. Carl shook my hand and I went on my way, pondering.
I didn't see them at Woking. I'll be attending other southern games coming up and certainly will draw stewards attention to anything untoward.
I've joined the Trust although I can't get to home games (too far), but good luck for a successful outcome to negotiations with the current owners

And it's took you 2.5 years to post this ? Seeing as you joined 14/02/2015 something Fishy here!

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Thank god some dialogue is happening with the friends board.

And for the record the opening post had absolutely nothing to do with that board, or any other board.

I came in for critisism in some quarters for posting it. Yet it was 100% true.

Now, I have thread this whole thread, and few posts confuse me.

So maybe those people could clarify exactly what they mean.

Here goes:

What goes through peoples mind when they say things like, "both sides are as bad as each other", "the two sides need to trash out their differences"....etc.

If you cant see that this was about people giving up their time and money to try and protect the future of our club, against some trying to derail it, and being intimidating about then, then I give up.

How that manisfests itself into you saying there are faults on both sides is staggering.

This post wasnt about the bunker/Friends group.

This was about indimidating behaviour agaisnt a life long poolie, and anti trust chanting. Nothing else.

I take it a very few of you are defending their rights to act like that?

For the record, I have nothing againt the friends board, and consider a lot of them as mates going back years.

So we take the piss. Well thats the bunker. Always has been and always will be.

Everyone gets rinsed now and again. Thats all of us.

It wasnt set up to discuss HUFC. That was a side issue, when tere are better things to discuss.

Anyway, well done chip and the other boards for talking.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I'll admit to being critical of the friends group at the time of its inception, i felt it was set up to DE-rail trust funds/interest, I see now that it is something totally different and there is no reason that both cant survive, work together, be friends etc etc.

Those anti trust chanters are something else, and need to be delt with completely differently.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:39 am

The Colonel wrote:

What goes through peoples mind when they say things like, "both sides are as bad as each other", "the two sides need to trash out their differences"....etc.

diplomacy (n)
Meaning 1: Talking bollocks in international relations
Meaning 2: The art of dealing with people in a tactful way

Neither have to be sincere.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Well good luck to you all, hopefully if differences are sorted then it doesnt just last a few days and then get forgotten about etc.

Maybe unbanning each other from each others boards etc would stop a load of the "they just said this on their board" crap that goes on? bbolt

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:09 pm

All groups need to work together, so meeting up with the friend's group is a great start, they have done some good work at the club such as the Beer Tent and Benches around the ground. Those dickheads who carry on with the anti-trust songs at games need to be isolated.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Joe Mac wrote:

All groups need to work together, so meeting up with the friend's group is a great start, they have done some good work at the club such as the Beer Tent and Benches around the ground. Those dickheads who carry on with the anti-trust songs at games need to be isolated.

I can guarantee joe they probably don’t have a clue why they are even chanting it and are being led to do it.

When I was 18 or whatever age they are it was all the rage to say songs about the police n Harry Roberts etc n I didn’t have a scooby what that was even about.

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Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:03 pm

How do I join the Friends group? I’m a member of the Trust already but can’t see any reason not to join the other one too if both have separate and non conflicting aims. Will somebody post a link to it please?

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:19 pm

I believe they are launching a new website next week so will probably have information then.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:20 pm

Yubep wrote:

Joe Mac wrote:

All groups need to work together, so meeting up with the friend's group is a great start, they have done some good work at the club such as the Beer Tent and Benches around the ground. Those dickheads who carry on with the anti-trust songs at games need to be isolated.

I can guarantee joe they probably don’t have a clue why they are even chanting it and are being led to do it.

When I was 18 or whatever age they are it was all the rage to say songs about the police n Harry Roberts etc n I didn’t have a scooby what that was even about.

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I sang songs about Billy Ayre on the bus to away games when I was younger, I was born in 1989 and he played his last games for Pools (according to google) in 1981.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:02 pm

Yes but he was every fucking where so you'd probably have seen him around.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22640

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

Well good luck to you all, hopefully if differences are sorted then it doesnt just last a few days and then get forgotten about etc.

Maybe unbanning each other from each others boards etc would stop a load of the "they just said this on their board" crap that goes on? bbolt

There are no bans whatsoever in place on this website.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:10 pm

I'm sure any moderator of either board will resolve any log in issues.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

What about The World Famous Ritchie Humphreys Song...

https://youtu.be/xSYUBLgZk-c

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Yubep wrote:

Joe Mac wrote:

All groups need to work together, so meeting up with the friend's group is a great start, they have done some good work at the club such as the Beer Tent and Benches around the ground. Those dickheads who carry on with the anti-trust songs at games need to be isolated.

I can guarantee joe they probably don’t have a clue why they are even chanting it and are being led to do it.

When I was 18 or whatever age they are it was all the rage to say songs about the police n Harry Roberts etc n I didn’t have a scooby what that was even about.

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It was about shooting coppers.

HTH.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Most of the anti trust lot are around 20 years old.

They sing songs about darlo.

We last played them in 2007.

When they were al about 10.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:57 pm

PJPoolie wrote:

Yubep wrote:

All groups need to work
When I was 18 or whatever age they are it was all the rage to say songs about the police n Harry Roberts etc n I didn’t have a scooby what that was even about.

It was about shooting coppers.

HTH.

It sounds like there was some part of "when I was 18" you didn't understand.

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:29 pm

I used to sing a song about Pools being by far the greatest team the world has ever seen, I don't know what that was about!

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

We are unbeatable was a personal favourite, it can't have been any coincidence that Pools went on our longest ever unbeaten run around the same time. We should definitely bring that chant back.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

We're shit and we know we are.

Sang the town end during injury time against Southend after we missed a late penalty to go 2 1 up only for them to go down the other end and score a penalty to beat us 2 1.

Another very apt ditty at the time.

ukanttouchme · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:12 pm **Posts:** 225

First time I heard that was at Barnet... and we got beat. What with that and going to the game in 03/04 that ended our 15 month unbeaten home league run and my dad not seeing a home league win for 9 years (with at least a game a season) I feel like the family is cursed.

Clearly this has little relevance to this thread just an awful trip down memory lane

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

We are evil.

Sang the poolie hordes at York.

Sadly it was to old dears peaking through their curtains along the row of terraced houses outside the ground.

The poolie hordes didn't care. They were hard as fook.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

We only drink whisky and Newcastle brow

We were right lying bastArds.

1. No fucker drank whisky.

2. We weren't geordies

3. We were about 10 years old..

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22640

And Newcastle Brown ale is friggin horrible.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:32 pm

There was a pub (maybe still is) in Paris called the Violon Dingue that sold draught Guinness and draught Newky Brown ... with a hose pipe.
So called American bar.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Agreed. An absolutely shite drink.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19488

The Colonel wrote:

Agreed. An absolutely shite drink.

only thing that makes me sick apart from the premier league.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3510

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

And Newcastle Brown ale is friggin horrible.

A firm favourite amongst the local skinhead population in it's hey day, but a nightmare for landlords clearing it up.....horrible taste, i remember throwing up everywhere after our Silver Jubilee street party in 77..

Is that right by the way?

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